Very sad.


My one wish with these things is they would do follow ups about the owners of the dogs so we can have the whole truth.. Rather than giving out the message that dogs just attack without reason. I'm sure some dogs are maybe having a bad day or maybe in pain of some kind.. But also sure many are not cared for in the way they should be.

[quote=Monkey_Moo;82492953]It's partly due to the fact that Staffies are the dominantly popular bread with a certain class of people. I spend a lot of time on very deprived, poor and run down council estates. Now I don't want to cast assertions on everyone who lives in such places, many are decent working class folk. But Staffies are by far the most popular/QUOTE]

Yes but why are they popular with certain groups? Are they trying to look 'hard' or what? It's very sad as the dogs are often not looked after properly - such as the one a neighbour had which was never walked. And if the dog loses it, it's the dog that pays the price - along with anyone in the way at the time of course.

With the bull breeds they are solid muscle . if you were the type to miss train a dog then many would be wary of that type of person when out with the dog or breaking into their home etc .. The studded/ spiked collars and harnesses dont help the reputation either.


You should not judge on the clothes either. My son has a lovely staffy he rescued .. he wears a hoody sometimes or scruffy clothes as he is a mechanic but treats his dog very well.

Who mentioned clothes. I wear hoodies too.

Someone on the thread think it was the OP. might be wrong on who though .




Here it is

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...0&postcount=18

Careful Mrs G, if you say this on some sites they'd be on you like a pack of hounds. It's true any dog can bite, but, not every dog can inflict the same amount of damage. A pug or shih-tzu isn't going to do half as much damage as a powerfully built dog with an equally powerful jaw is it? Not to mention the fact you would have a chance of shaking or kicking the former off but the latter - forget it. It's always the same breeds that crop up in these incidents, terriers, which were bred for one reason and one reason only - to kill. It is in their nature to attack other things and tear them to pieces, they weren't designed to be cuddly easy going family pets, they were designed to go after various other animals and kill them, straight to the job with no messing about.

Apart from the the odd exception they aren't an easy going mellow breed, their wilful, highly strung and aren't afraid to hold back. Of all the breeds I've worked on, the terriers are the only ones to have a serious attitude problem and snap without warning. Putting a dog with this type of temperament and nature in the hands of someone who doesn't bother to train it properly, or trains it the wrong things is asking for trouble and it's usually somebody else who pays the price. These people go after certain breeds because they look tough and menacing, many will shoot you down in flames for saying that but it's true, they do, why else would they want them? They wouldn't want them if they were cute and fluffy would they? What is going to intimidate you more - a gang of youths with a pekingese or a gang of youths with a bull terrier? So to answer your question, it's a bit of both, breed and owner. It is not just down to the owner, while how a dog is kept is a huge factor, the nature, genetics and breed traits also play a part.

That is back to front.

I dont even feel they look menacing. My boy the other day was snapped at over and over and not one reaction from him other than to try and play again.. he loves other people and animals That is his nature same as all the staffies I personally know.. That is why they are called the nanny dog. Same as my pitball.

How easy people who should know better are led by papers and TV news.
My friend has a staffy that was used as a bait dog it was found in a bin..no aggression at all towards others.

When I was a teen the breed of choice for the louts were GS and Dobermann. they were demonised

Then came the Rottweiler and pit ball. in my kids teen years

Now its the staffy's turn.
good to see people not falling for the hype in this day and age.

Round here the thugs are now moving away from Staffys to bull lurchers they often use them for lamping too. They've got the strength of a staffy or other bull breed coupled with the speed and sight of a lurcher. Such gorgeous loving dogs in the right hands but sadly they are often setting them onto other dogs and cats. I hate such owners with a passion.

I wonder if that is what my son has.. she looks staffy but also greyhound she has that very tiny waist. she runs at the speed of light outrunning my tall staffy boy. she is a rescue so dont really know the history. although she has a staffy like face, she does not lock on like a staffy, so my boy beats her hands down at tug o war .. When he can catch her that is

We always wondered if she was a staff whippet X

I feel rather than this dog blaming we get these days something needs to be done about breeders and owners.

a lot of staffy's are in rescue places or put down all the time.. People do not realise just how much hard work a staffy type is. They are like a puppy with ADHD on speed .. Blooming hard work. The results are way worth it, but getting there I had many tearful days.

It's not back to front. Terriers aren't mellow, their not designed to be. They are bred to have a very high prey drive, things running in front of them excite them , they get hyped up and when what their after starts squeaking either in fright or when it's caught, it excites the dog up even more. That is how they function and in the right hands it's generally not a problem, but in the wrong ones it is. It isn't difficult to encourage or train a dog which is already hard wired to go after and kill other animals, undesirable traits that make them dangerous, because the basics are already there under the surface. It's like teaching a Labrador to fetch a ball, it's pretty easy to do because it's in the breed to retrieve, you simply mould that ability into something you desire in the dog. If you take a dog bred to kill and put it in the care of someone who wants it to cause trouble that is exactly what you are going to get - trouble. Now of course any dog can snap and bite, but you would have a hell of a job trying to get a poodle to be vicious and wound up into a frenzy than the already bred for that trait terrier. I don't understand those who say their great with kids, kids run about, move quickly and make loud high pitched noise at exactly the right level for the dog, it triggers the same reaction in them as the small animals their bred to kill would, and in the case of the bull terrier, that 'small animal' is a bull which their meant to lock onto, drag down and not let go. With the best will in the world, why on earth would anybody think a dog with that instinct and nature be ideal to have around children?

You can usually spot a bull lurcher by the almond shaped eyes rather than the round ones of a sighthound and they're thicker set too. Run like the wind and have more stamina than a greyhound. If looked after and trained properly they are the softest sweetest dogs. Quite often if there is a case where a greyhound is accused of attacking another dog or cat it's a bull lurcher not a greyhound but people don't know the difference. Not the dogs fault, it's the type of owner who trains them to do it and they have the speed that a Staffy doesn't have.

Yes, they get crossed with whippets too.

What's a pitball?

You cannot tell a typo?

You cannot compare a JR and a staffy. Most JR will go mad at anyone walking past their home or knocking on the door .. most staffies will just watch people walk past and not care. Staffies are not vocal like a JR either.. Mine nor my son's never barks

Staffies are brilliant with kids

The purebred Staffie is a whole different ball game. It has a nickname, “The Nanny Dog”

That nickname came about because this breed is known to be so good with children.

The Staffie is the breed that is recommended for a family with young children by many of the welfare and re-homing organisations.

These organisations and rescue centres believe it is probably one of the best family dogs of all the dog breeds.

It is the only breed that has been described as “Totally loving to its family “, and is the only dog to have “totally reliable” in its breed standard. The very breed that many describe as vicious, unreliable and a killer.

The Kennel Club describes the breed’s suitability to young children. One of only two breeds, to have this recommendation. So how did it become so good with children and adults, and why is it such a loyal and loving family dog?




http://www.doglistener.co.uk/choosing/staffie.shtml

I just thought it was amusing making the same typo twice in one post.
Yes my day is short of excitement at the mo.
I'm off now to get a life...

My mind thinks one thing and my hands type another..

I am always typing every for ever , along for alone and many others I drive myself potty

I don't think you need to dig deep. Aren't the most bitey dogs, statistically, are something like cocker spaniels and labradors, I think.

According to several local rescues, when I was looking for a staffy or staffy cross a couple of years back, the chavs have moved onto malamutes and huskies - which are far more dangerous dogs than bull breeds, in the wrong hands.

My dog is a staffy/JRT cross so not for the faint-hearted.

[quote=mrsgrumpy49;82494041]
Our chavvy neighbours went against type and had a black lab (They still called it 'Tyson' though - hilarious, eh?) That too was never walked once in 3 years. And left alone in the house howling for hours when they went out. I overheard the woman say she wants a 'malamute' or a 'Japanese [sic] Akita' next... Imagine what a lethal weapon that would be in the hands of someone who is cruel to it, neglectful, and never gives it an hour's exercise/training in its entire life... They have two very young kids, too. An accident waiting to happen.

I agree with you I had many terriers over the years all cuddly teddies at home but show them another dog or cat or rat etc and that cuddle bunny became a working terrier willing to kill anything.
Worse our retriever cross collie ever did was round people up and bring them back, our chihuahuas sit on laps, and our Labrador just fetches balls. All dogs have their traits and terriers have that murdeous streak.

Ha! my boy's new bezzie is a staffy JR cross. That is how I know my boy does not have a aggressive bone in his body.. she was all come play and then teeth showing and air snapping( nothing bad or serious) My boy didn't take any notice just took it in his stride without any retaliation. they played non stop for 8 solid hours..

The next day was lovely a very chilled out and calm dog and my mate said the same..

My dog fetches everything I ask. his Kong, the post, balls sticks, Has two cats that wash him and who he will share his food with. He never chases small animals. and has never gone for anything or anyone NOT once. even when the cats have had their claws right into his face

Guess I dont have a staffy. I have been well and truly conned

The only dog ever to bite me was a Jack Russel - simply because I had the temerity to walk past it. The owner said 'Oh he does that' without even an apology
It actually bit a hole in my jeans - it could easily have been my leg.

The one next door is like that.. its head is almost out the fence and the hole is growing bigger all the time.. one day i know its going to get out and then someone or a animal will be hurt.

Been in a few pet shops and the like over the year I have had my dog and conversation turns to dogs biting a lot. most say oh there was this JR who bit la la la.

They are lovely dogs in the right hands but I feel they are totally different from most other terriers.

I'm afraid I don't agree with any of that and would never list any terrier as a dog suitable with young children because of the reasons I've already put. I'm not sure where the idea came from and generally think it's something that's been said to try and put them in a good light after so much bad press. Maybe that's partly why there's so many accidents with them, uninformed people having been told dangerous advice and taking it completely at its word "oh it's said these are 'nanny dogs' so it obviously won't hurt my kids". Personally, I wouldn't have one as I couldn't do with a dog with such a nature, but even I could I would never have one around children. My aunt had a Westie a long time ago, it grabbed my cousin by the head when she was little because her movement triggered its prey drive. Terriers, with the rare exception, aren't cuddly, not their fault as their not designed to be, but advertising them as 'good with children and other animals' is at best irresponsible and at worst downright dangerous.