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Old 22-05-2016, 22:04
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Mitchell's - Peggy Mitchell
Beale/Fowler - Lou Beale & Pauline Fowler
Slater/Moon - Big Mo Slater
Butcher - Pat Butcher
Branning - Dot Branning
Hubbard - Claudette Hubbard
Fox - Denise Fox
Masood - Zainab Masood
Watts - Angie/Chrisse/Sharon

I feel as if they had then strongest bunch of Matriarchal Women. Yet who will be the new Matriarchs for each family? Denise is stil young and to an extent so is Zainab so that won't change for at least a couple decades.

Mitchells - Ronnie Mitchell or Sharon Mitchell
Beale - Could be either Kathy Beale or Jane Beale
Fowler - Michelle Fowler would be yet could it be Stacey Fowler depending how it goes in the future?
Slater/Moon - Kathleen Moon/Slater
Butcher - Janine Butcher
Branning - Carol Branning
Hubbard - Kim Hubbard
Fox - Denise Fox
Masood - Zainab Masood
Watts - Sharon if not the Mitchell Matriarchl
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Old 22-05-2016, 22:25
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Old 22-05-2016, 23:58
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being a Matriarch has nothing to do with age

annie sugden in Emmerdale tho
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Old 23-05-2016, 00:16
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Old 23-05-2016, 01:10
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The only two obvious ones at the moment are Kathy and Shirley, and maybe Dot who has been mum to a variety of youngsters down the years. Maybe they should bring Sal in for the Mitchells as Ronnie and Sharon are still on the young side (and she's such fun). Then there is Cora due to return, she could well become part of the Branning family again,
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Old 23-05-2016, 01:29
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I feel that the Kathy, Shirley and Sharon scenes during Peggy's last episodes pointed towards them 'inheriting the throne' in the future, especially now with Pauline, Pat and Peggy are gone.

Further in the future, I could see Zainab, Tanya and Kat also being matriarchs (if they return, that is).
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Old 23-05-2016, 14:02
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Old 23-05-2016, 14:14
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Sharon for the Mitchells. She was the last person Peggy spoke to before she died, and she asked her to look after Phil.
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Old 23-05-2016, 14:37
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There is something about Kathy that just says to me she isn't "matriarch" material.......

Cora would be a great matriachal woman, but she hasn't been in in that long compared to others, and so hasn't got much in the way of history with the show. If she'd been in it since the 90s for example, I'd say she would be the one beating everybody else hands down.

Sharon is too camp. Too desperate and far too needy. Making coweyes at phil and the ink hasn't dried yet on the divorce papers!
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Old 23-05-2016, 15:41
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Is Aunt Babe too twisted to be the Carter matriarch?
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Old 23-05-2016, 15:43
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They're strong female characters but I don't know if I'd think of at least three of those as matriarchs since they were either family-less or had little family to speak of.

The entitlement and arrogance of some Coronation Street fans - that their soap was on air first and anything else is inferior is astounding. (Not from you sw2963).

I don't really think of any of EastEnders' iconic cornerstone female characters as being exactly the same as those in Coronation Street, even if they're drawn from the same mould. Aspects of them and their contribution to EastEnders is unique.

It's childish and petty to throw around terms such as 'pale shadow'. The world didn't begin with Coronation Street and thus some of the stock character types we talk about here didn't either.
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Old 23-05-2016, 15:47
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There is something about Kathy that just says to me she isn't "matriarch" material.......
There's not been much of a chance to establish Kathy as one since they decimated the Beale family just before her return.
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Old 23-05-2016, 15:55
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The only two obvious ones at the moment are Kathy and Shirley
Missed the scene of Peggy passing the torch to Sharon, I see. Who are you kidding? Sharon is obviously the matriarch of the Mitchells and has been for some time now. There's nothing obvious about Kathy being a matriarch at all. Care to point out how you got to that conclusion? The seeds were there but that tree has failed to sprout thus far. Shirley is not a matriarch even though DTC wants us to think she is by putting loads of family around her. She's better as a loner away from the Carters - especially Mick who seems to have the hots for his own mum.

and maybe Dot who has been mum to a variety of youngsters down the years.
And yet never became a matriarch through all of that. Not even when she was Grandma Branning.
Maybe they should bring Sal in for the Mitchells as Ronnie and Sharon are still on the young side.
Sharon is older now than Pauline was when EastEnders began. Ronnie can't be far off that age either. Age is irrelevant.

Aunt Sal will never become a regular. The actress was offered the chance plenty of times and turned it down.

Then there is Cora due to return, she could well become part of the Branning family again,
The Brannings didn't care about Cora when she was homeless. Why would they care about her now? They barely tolerated her before.
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Old 23-05-2016, 16:09
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Old 23-05-2016, 16:33
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I think one of the best recent-ish rise of a female character in becoming a matriarch has been Sharon Watts-Mitchell-Rickman-Mitchell

Sharon was much very one of EE's very own tragic heroines. But since last year, we have really seen her step up to things. She took control of the mitchell family and tried her best to make sure her family didn't suffer through the Gavin stuff and even going to great lengths to make sure Ben never found out about Kathy so he wasn't hurt. While in a conversation with someone she referred to Jay and Ben as "my boys" which was a bold but caring statement for Sharon. She even tried her best to sort the family out regarding Phil's return to drinking but it proved too much and she walked away. But despite walking away, she admitted and showed guilty for leaving the family. She has recently become more involved with the Mitchells in showing support for Phil going sober but came to a greater aid following Peggy's death.

Long live Sharon
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Old 23-05-2016, 16:37
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I think one of the best recent-ish rise of a female character in becoming a matriarch has been Sharon Watts-Mitchell-Rickman-Mitchell

Sharon was much very one of EE's very own tragic heroines. But since last year, we have really seen her step up to things. She took control of the mitchell family and tried her best to make sure her family didn't suffer through the Gavin stuff and even going to great lengths to make sure Ben never found out about Kathy so he wasn't hurt. While in a conversation with someone she referred to Jay and Ben as "my boys" which was a bold but caring statement for Sharon. She even tried her best to sort the family out regarding Phil's return to drinking but it proved too much and she walked away. But despite walking away, she admitted and showed guilty for leaving the family. She has recently become more involved with the Mitchells in showing support for Phil going sober but came to a greater aid following Peggy's death.

Long live Sharon
That wasn't her decision to make and I don't think Ben being hurt was her only concern.
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Old 23-05-2016, 16:39
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Denise Kathy and Sharon Plus Shirley at the moment in Eastenders.
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Old 23-05-2016, 16:43
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Denise is appalling. She can barely look after herself let alone others. That Carmel is basically a 15 year old girl in a pensioner's body.

The trio of Sharon, Kathy and Shirley are great together but Sharon is definitely the HBIC of the group.
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Old 23-05-2016, 16:53
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Kathy brings nothing to the show except history and nostalgia. There is nothing that really makes her a particular interesting character. Jane brings far more to the Beales than Kathy whether you love or loath her.
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Old 23-05-2016, 16:54
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Jane is definitely a stronger Character than Kathy.
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Old 23-05-2016, 16:59
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Kathy brings nothing to the show except history and nostalgia. There is nothing that really makes her a particular interesting character. Jane brings far more to the Beales than Kathy whether you love or loath her.
Jane is definitely a stronger Character than Kathy.
I have to agree. Jane is the matriarch of the Beales even if she is a sociopath. Kathy actually adds nothing to that family and works better with Martin than she does with her own sons.

Kathy was a favourite of mine in the 80's and 90's but she's bland and boring this time around. The acting isn't great anymore either but she's okay at filler scenes which is likely why that's all she does now. Step it up, Gillian Taylforth! We know you can do better.
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Old 23-05-2016, 18:21
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There is something about Kathy that just says to me she isn't "matriarch" material.......

Cora would be a great matriachal woman, but she hasn't been in in that long compared to others, and so hasn't got much in the way of history with the show. If she'd been in it since the 90s for example, I'd say she would be the one beating everybody else hands down.

Sharon is too camp. Too desperate and far too needy. Making coweyes at phil and the ink hasn't dried yet on the divorce papers!
what like not giving a stuff about her family I quite agree Jane is the Matriarch of the beales.
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Old 23-05-2016, 18:22
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I think people need to google what Matriarch means, this thread is rather funny,
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Old 23-05-2016, 18:27
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what like not giving a stuff about her family I quite agree Jane is the Matriarch of the beales.
I don't think Jane is a matriarch type at all and yes I do know what that means

Pat Peggy Pauline were all matriarchs in my view. They were the heart and soul of their families. Sharon is fitting that slot too. Jane is too weak to be one in my opinion
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Old 23-05-2016, 18:30
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There's little Beale family left for either Jane or Kathy to be the matriarch over.

Presumably, Bobby will be going to prison once it's revealed he killed Lucy. And Jane shouldn't be too far behind.
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