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Old 15-06-2016, 16:40
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But wolvesdavid said he was predicting first picks ??
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Old 15-06-2016, 16:42
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Could I just point out that in Skys 18 first picks you can only pick one team Five times !!!

You have failed on three teams

So back to the drawing board I am afraid
But they can use a big team as a 2nd pick when they have 1st pick to avoid the limit on the 1st pick package so the selections are valid, it just means Sky will select some big games as 2nd (or even 3rd) picks when they have 1st pick hence not all big games being on Sunday at 4pm.
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Old 15-06-2016, 16:43
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It isnt rigged

All I am saying that the TV companies ask for certain things

Like one big game a week.

It is the same with Tv and tennis

Murray always get the later slot for BBC at Wimbledon for example
But isn't it equally likely that the Premier League themselves want to spread the big head-to-heads out throughout the season so that there's a minimal number of "ordinary" rounds?

Not that they'd ever admit publicly to having "ordinary" games, but common sense suggest that Man Utd v Liverpool is a bigger selling point than Stoke v Burnley.
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Old 15-06-2016, 16:46
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But wolvesdavid said he was predicting first picks ??
I suppose, technically, there's a difference between "the first pick" and "Sky's first pick".

The former is defined by the contracts; the latter is defined by Sky. So a couple of seasons ago when the Manchester derby was on MNF, that was the third pick in terms of the contract, but it was quite obviously Sky's first pick of the weekend - i.e. it was top of their list for that round, then they made their selections around it.
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Old 15-06-2016, 16:47
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But wolvesdavid said he was predicting first picks ??
He was predicting the rounds when 1st pick would be used - and the games it was being used for to "get" - even though some games would obviously officially then be a 2nd (or 3rd) pick.
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Old 15-06-2016, 16:47
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But isn't it equally likely that the Premier League themselves want to spread the big head-to-heads out throughout the season so that there's a minimal number of "ordinary" rounds?

Not that they'd ever admit publicly to having "ordinary" games, but common sense suggest that Man Utd v Liverpool is a bigger selling point than Stoke v Burnley.
The round featuring Stoke v Burnley has some interesting games like Eve v Man U and Man C v Chelsea, almost the double header people are complaining about missing, so I'd say that round is pretty big.

You can't say one round is stronger by picking out its biggest game and then comparing it with a rounds weakest game that's not comparing apples with apples.
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Old 15-06-2016, 16:47
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Could I just point out that in Skys 18 first picks you can only pick one team Five times !!!

You have failed on three teams

So back to the drawing board I am afraid
For God's sake. Obiously Sky will use other games as first picks, to make sure they don't go over the quotas. Not quite back to the drawing board.
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Old 15-06-2016, 16:48
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He was predicting the rounds when 1st pick would be used - and the games it was being used for to "get" - even though some games would obviously officially then be a 2nd (or 3rd) pick.
I must have mis read it then
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Old 15-06-2016, 16:50
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The round featuring Stoke v Burnley has some interesting games like Eve v Man U and Man C v Chelsea, almost the double header people are complaining about missing, so I'd say that round is pretty big.

You can't say one round is stronger by picking out its biggest game and then comparing it with a rounds weakest game that's not comparing apples with apples.
I wasn't using a weak game to pick on a round. I picked a weak game as an example of a weak game. It was done entirely at random with no consideration for when it was being played.

My point was that The Premier League, although never publicly admitting to having "weak" games, will want to ensure that as many rounds as possible have a strong game.
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Old 15-06-2016, 16:56
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I wasn't using a weak game to pick on a round. I picked a weak game as an example of a weak game. It was done entirely at random with no consideration for when it was being played.

My point was that The Premier League, although never publicly admitting to having "weak" games, will want to ensure that as many rounds as possible have a strong game.
But with each round having 10 matches and featuring all the big clubs you will never have a really weak round where all games are like the example you pointed out, as each round will always feature the big teams even against lesser opposition, Man U v Burnley or Stoke would have been a better example.

The weakest round you could imagine would have the 10 big teams at home to the 10 smaller teams, where you put two small teams together like you increase the likelihood of the round featuring some big head to heads as has been proved as the fixture you cited comes from a strong round with two big head to heads.
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Old 15-06-2016, 16:58
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How many double headers are there if you throw Everton, West Ham, Southampton and Leicester in the mix, don't we now have a big 10?
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Old 15-06-2016, 17:01
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But with each round having 10 matches and featuring all the big clubs you will never have a really weak round where all games are like the example you pointed out, as each round will always feature the big teams even against lesser opposition, Man U v Burnley or Stoke would have been a better example.

The weakest round you could imagine would have the 10 big teams at home to the 10 smaller teams, where you put two small teams together like you increase the likelihood of the round featuring some big head to heads as has been proved as the fixture you cited comes from a strong round with two big head to heads.
I'm not talking about rounds - I cited that fixture as an individual "weak" game. It was picked entirely at random.
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Old 15-06-2016, 17:02
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Big 2 - 2
Big 3 - 6
Big 4 - 12
Big 5 - 20
Big 6 - 30
Big 7- 42
Big 8 - 56
Big 9 - 72
Big 10 - 90

I don't quite think we have a big 10 though.
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Old 15-06-2016, 17:24
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I'm not talking about rounds - I cited that fixture as an individual "weak" game. It was picked entirely at random.
But that weak game will never* be picked as a live TV game so what's its relevance to a discussion on TV games? However I get the relevance of weaker rounds as this does impact TV picks.

* Unless late in the season and either team is in the title race, I'm sure Leicester fixtures would have been deemed weak in the past so you never know.

There are some teams with odds of 1000-1 to win the title, worth a shot?
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Old 15-06-2016, 17:27
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But that weak game will never* be picked as a live TV game so what's its relevance to a discussion on TV games? However I get the relevance of weaker rounds as this does impact TV picks.
It was in response to the claim that the broadcasters influence the fixtures.

I was making the point that The Premier League itself will want to maximise the rounds with "big" games.
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Old 15-06-2016, 18:07
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I'm not totally convinced that Hull v Leicester will be shown. Obviously it might well be but it wouldn't completely surprise me if it wasn't. Is there any chance of 6 games being shown on the opening weekend?
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Old 15-06-2016, 18:25
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My TV predictions for Week 1:

Sky:
Hull V Leicester (Saturday 12:30pm)
Manchester United V Bourmouth (Sunday, 1:30pm)
Arsenal V Liverpool (Sunday, 4:00pm)
Chelsea V West Ham (Monday, 8:00pm)

BT:
Everton V Spurs (Saturday, 5:30pm)

Sky Ireland will probably pick Man City V Sunderland as the 3pm game.

Surely BT will not pick United's first game for the third year running? They could however swap Everton V Spurs for Chelsea V West Ham?
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Old 15-06-2016, 18:27
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Not six
The new deal is Friday OR Monday not both
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Old 15-06-2016, 18:30
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West Ham could be in Europe first midweek

It is almost certain that Sky will start with new Friday game
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Old 15-06-2016, 19:07
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I wouldn't rule out six games in week 1, but I think it's unlikely. I think sky could convert a fourth pick into a sixth pick to have both a Friday and Monday game.
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Old 15-06-2016, 20:10
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Can't see Sky starting with a Fri night game - especially with the Olympics on. Especially if G Nev is back on Mon night.

Think Sky will leave City for BT or even Chelsea v WH, and BT will end up with one of them.
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Old 15-06-2016, 20:53
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My TV predictions for Week 1:

Sky:
Hull V Leicester (Saturday 12:30pm)
Manchester United V Bourmouth (Sunday, 1:30pm)
Arsenal V Liverpool (Sunday, 4:00pm)
Chelsea V West Ham (Monday, 8:00pm)

BT:
Everton V Spurs (Saturday, 5:30pm)

Sky Ireland will probably pick Man City V Sunderland as the 3pm game.

Surely BT will not pick United's first game for the third year running? They could however swap Everton V Spurs for Chelsea V West Ham?
could definitely see sky dangling Spurs week 1
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Old 15-06-2016, 21:28
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Completely agree, which is why I only looked at games pre-Xmas because that will take up the first and second batch of TV game decisions. The first batch will be selected using the logic of what happened last season, and the second batch will be selected when not that much has happened and so the same clubs will dominate the first picks. After Xmas and beyond, who knows?
The problem with this is that Sky have to plot their way through the season to come up with a strategy. It will have been decided last summer that in Week 29 they would give BT the North London Derby. That it turned out to be the biggest NLD in years didn't alter the fact that Sky's strategy was to get BT maxed out of Spurs games so that they could get Liverpool v Spurs and Spurs v Man Utd without a first pick.

It will be interesting to see how Sky approach this. Spurs are currently a best price of 8-1 for the title. Personally, I think that is a value bet. It will be fascinating to see how Sky treat them.

Last season we had the fixtures for the first seven weeks of TV picks released quite quickly followed by the next seven later in August. I wonder if Sky have to declare its first picks for all 14 weeks? The fewer games in a selection block, the more of an advantage it gives to Sky.
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Old 15-06-2016, 22:21
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I probably won't get a chance to have a good look at the fixtures until the weekend, but I notice one thing that's gone against sky is Week 28. The biggest fixture (on paper) in that round is Arsenal v Leicester. Historically Sky have been keen to take first pick in the FA Cup Quarter Final weekend to prevent BT having any title race game that might get moved to the last few weeks of the season.

Now it might not be too much of a problem, as you might expect BT to return first pick to Sky. But depending on how the season is going and how BT are doing in terms of quotas, BT might take first pick with a view to getting a game that is moved to a midweek at the end of the season.
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Old 15-06-2016, 22:28
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On week 1, even though I would like to watch Everton v Tottenham.

Surely Man City v Sunderland, will get picked, as isn't Pep meant to be God in the world of football managers
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