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Old 15-06-2016, 22:36
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If we think Sky will offer BT Tottenham v Liverpool, and if we think BT will take it, then I am confident that Sky will want to show one of Tottenham's first two fixtures. Perhaps they'll be happy to show Spurs v Palace in Week 2, but I think Everton v Spurs has a good chance of being on Sky.

And just look at this fixture in Week 2.....

Stoke City v Manchester City.

Sky might like to show Pep's first game in charge, but surely they'll want to show his first away game.
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Old 15-06-2016, 22:39
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I probably won't get a chance to have a good look at the fixtures until the weekend, but I notice one thing that's gone against sky is Week 28. The biggest fixture (on paper) in that round is Arsenal v Leicester. Historically Sky have been keen to take first pick in the FA Cup Quarter Final weekend to prevent BT having any title race game that might get moved to the last few weeks of the season.

Now it might not be too much of a problem, as you might expect BT to return first pick to Sky. But depending on how the season is going and how BT are doing in terms of quotas, BT might take first pick with a view to getting a game that is moved to a midweek at the end of the season.
I guess the question is how late in the season would a rearranged game go - with no FA Cup QF replays that should make it more likely it wouldn't go back too far.

They normally take the first available date and of course any team in the FA Cup QFs could be in the FA Cup SFs (meaning a later game to rearrange) so it's surely very unlikely that a game rearranged from R28 would be played very late in the season.
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Old 15-06-2016, 22:39
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If we think Sky will offer BT Tottenham v Liverpool, and if we think BT will take it, then I am confident that Sky will want to show one of Tottenham's first two fixtures. Perhaps they'll be happy to show Spurs v Palace in Week 2, but I think Everton v Spurs has a good chance of being on Sky.

And just look at this fixture in Week 2.....

Stoke City v Manchester City.

Sky might like to show Pep's first game in charge, but surely they'll want to show his first away game.
Especially if it ends up being a windy day at the Britannia, It would be an early lesson for Pep
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Old 15-06-2016, 22:42
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I guess the question is how late in the season would a rearranged game go - with no FA Cup QF replays that should make it more likely it wouldn't go back too far.

They normally take the first available date and of course any team in the FA Cup QFs could be in the FA Cup SFs (meaning a later game to rearrange) so it's surely very unlikely that a game rearranged from R28 would be played very late in the season.
The earliest it would be played is, I think, between weeks 34 and 35. Where it could get complicated is if a team in the League Cup Final and reaches the Semi Final of the FA Cup.
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Old 15-06-2016, 23:26
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The earliest it would be played is, I think, between weeks 34 and 35. Where it could get complicated is if a team in the League Cup Final and reaches the Semi Final of the FA Cup.
Yup, the Quarterfinal replay midweek has been replaced with a normal Premier League midweek round. Last season, Sunderland v Everton and Liverpool v Chelsea were both due to be played on Quarterfinal weekend and rearranged to the last midweek
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Old 16-06-2016, 08:55
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The earliest it would be played is, I think, between weeks 34 and 35. Where it could get complicated is if a team in the League Cup Final and reaches the Semi Final of the FA Cup.
No because this year we have a free midweek on Feb 28 and Mar 1

As long as someone is not in FAC 5 Replay
They can play
either
the League Cup Final week rearranged
OR
The 6th Round game rearranged if they have already won round 5
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Old 16-06-2016, 08:58
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Just an early thought on first picks at the start of the season, I reckon Sky might do this (game shown doesn't actually have to be first pick):

1. Sky - Arsenal v Liverpool
2. Sky pass to BT
3. Sky - Tottenham v Liverpool
4. Sky - Man Utd v Man City and Leicester v Liverpool
5. Sky - Chelsea v Liverpool
6. BT - Arsenal v Chelsea
7. BT - Tottenham v Man City
8. Sky - Liverpool v Man Utd
9. Sky - Chelsea v Man Utd
10. BT pass back to Sky (Tottenham v Leicester)
11. BT - Arsenal v Tottenham
12. Sky - Man Utd v Arsenal
13. BT - Chelsea v Tottenham
14. Sky - Man City v Chelsea

Sky might pass Spurs v Liverpool in Week 3 with a view to getting BT to start filling up these clubs' quotas. But if Sky do what I suggest, they'll give BT a dilemma in Week 2. Ordinarily you would expect BT to pass first pick back to Sky, but if they do that, they risk not getting to show Liverpool until something like Week 9 (assuming they show Arsenal v Chelsea and Spurs v Man City).

Now if I were BT I would run the risk of Sky picking Liverpool v Burnley in Week 2. I suspect they wouldn't take it given they'd have picked five of Liverpool's other opening seven fixtures. But with Liverpool not being in Europe, would BT risk it? Given their safety first approach in the past, I'm not sure.
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Old 16-06-2016, 09:03
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No because this year we have a free midweek on Feb 28 and Mar 1

As long as someone is not in FAC 5 Replay
They can play
either
the League Cup Final week rearranged
OR
The 6th Round game rearranged if they have already won round 5
Good point. I can't, however, see PL games from Week 28 being brought forward to Feb 28/Mar 1. The Fifth Round is scheduled for 18/02 so that is not much notice to bring a game forward from Mar 11.
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Old 16-06-2016, 10:49
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Just an early thought on first picks at the start of the season, I reckon Sky might do this (game shown doesn't actually have to be first pick):

1. Sky - Arsenal v Liverpool
2. Sky pass to BT
3. Sky - Tottenham v Liverpool
4. Sky - Man Utd v Man City and Leicester v Liverpool
5. Sky - Chelsea v Liverpool
6. BT - Arsenal v Chelsea
7. BT - Tottenham v Man City
8. Sky - Liverpool v Man Utd
9. Sky - Chelsea v Man Utd
10. BT pass back to Sky (Tottenham v Leicester)
11. BT - Arsenal v Tottenham
12. Sky - Man Utd v Arsenal
13. BT - Chelsea v Tottenham
14. Sky - Man City v Chelsea

Sky might pass Spurs v Liverpool in Week 3 with a view to getting BT to start filling up these clubs' quotas. But if Sky do what I suggest, they'll give BT a dilemma in Week 2. Ordinarily you would expect BT to pass first pick back to Sky, but if they do that, they risk not getting to show Liverpool until something like Week 9 (assuming they show Arsenal v Chelsea and Spurs v Man City).

Now if I were BT I would run the risk of Sky picking Liverpool v Burnley in Week 2. I suspect they wouldn't take it given they'd have picked five of Liverpool's other opening seven fixtures. But with Liverpool not being in Europe, would BT risk it? Given their safety first approach in the past, I'm not sure.
Wk 2 would give BT Lei v Ars, why would they want to pass that big game back to Sky?
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Old 16-06-2016, 12:23
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Wk 2 would give BT Lei v Ars, why would they want to pass that big game back to Sky?
Well BT could certainly take Leicester v Arsenal. BT will get nine first picks from a choice of 15. They won't, however, know at the start all of weeks they will have a choice from. So it will be a case of asking "will something better come up?"

But what I'm getting at is that in the past BT have been very keen to show Man Utd as early as possible. The first time BT were given first pick was in Week 4 of 2013-14. What did they take? Everton v Chelsea, Sunderland v Arsenal? No. They took Man Utd v Crystal Palace. They did this because Sky had declared first picks in a way that said to BT, "You either take Man Utd in Week 4, or you don't get them until Week 10."

Similarly, in 2014-15, despite having secured Man Utd v Swansea in Week 1, BT used their first pick in Week 3 to get Burnley v Man Utd rather than Spurs v Liverpool because they were worried that they wouldn't get Man Utd again until Week 11. As it turned out they got them again in Week 7 (Everton at home).

Perhaps Liverpool is not such a big deal, but as they're not in Europe, I think there is an angle for Sky to tempt BT into wasting a first pick on Liverpool v Burnley.
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Old 16-06-2016, 12:52
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Well BT could certainly take Leicester v Arsenal. BT will get nine first picks from a choice of 15. They won't, however, know at the start all of weeks they will have a choice from. So it will be a case of asking "will something better come up?"

But what I'm getting at is that in the past BT have been very keen to show Man Utd as early as possible. The first time BT were given first pick was in Week 4 of 2013-14. What did they take? Everton v Chelsea, Sunderland v Arsenal? No. They took Man Utd v Crystal Palace. They did this because Sky had declared first picks in a way that said to BT, "You either take Man Utd in Week 4, or you don't get them until Week 10."

Similarly, in 2014-15, despite having secured Man Utd v Swansea in Week 1, BT used their first pick in Week 3 to get Burnley v Man Utd rather than Spurs v Liverpool because they were worried that they wouldn't get Man Utd again until Week 11. As it turned out they got them again in Week 7 (Everton at home).

Perhaps Liverpool is not such a big deal, but as they're not in Europe, I think there is an angle for Sky to tempt BT into wasting a first pick on Liverpool v Burnley.
I thought Liverpool and Man U were the two most popular teams, so why wouldn't Liverpool be as big a deal?
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Old 16-06-2016, 12:58
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I thought Liverpool and Man U were the two most popular teams, so why wouldn't Liverpool be as big a deal?
Well quite, but that's why BT my pass on Leicester v Arsenal. If securing Liverpool is essential then they may use a first pick. Alternatively, they pass it back to Sky if BT think they'll get Liverpool v Burnley as a third, fourth or even as a fifth pick.
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Old 16-06-2016, 13:19
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Would the police sanction a game on NYE for 5.30pm? They would be stretched that night as it is and if your an away fan and travelling 4 5 6 hours do you really want to spend most of NYE on a bus!
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Old 16-06-2016, 18:30
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To start with bank holiday games- I agree with TLG86. I think the three very likely games are:

Boxing Day- Hull V Man City, Southampton V Spurs, Leicester V Everton
2nd Jan- Sunderland V Liverpool, West Ham V Man Utd, Spurs V Chelsea

I think the last two are dependent on quota picks.

No point in going through the whole season- as picks will determine squeeze/ one of the teams may not be title contenders who you would expect- but in general I think Sky pass every Spurs match they can (apart from North London Derby) as this is the week before an international break and could be a big 4pm game.

The analysis of weeks 8-17 very brief because, if for example, BT pick Man City V Sunderland in week 1 or Chelsea V West Ham, Sky more likely to pass Man City and Chelsea games to get them up to quota.

Also the power of Friday nights is clear. i.e. on 24th Sep its Arsenal V Chelsea and Man U V Leicester. I think Sky pass this week, and BT have to take it as if they don’t they lose both games, whereas in previous years BT could pass this round back knowing they would get one game.

Week 1- Sky first pick for me as this allows them to pass weeks 2 and 3 and probably get a better mix of games (and I think BT in week 3 may take Hull V Man Utd to make sure they can show Man Utd, notwithstanding Liverpool point). Sky will either pick Liv V Ars first pick at 4pm, and Man Utd at lunchtime on Sat then allow BT to pick, or Sky go picks 1-4 and quotas will determine which games go where. I think Sky show Mourinho on Sat lunch as this will overshadow BT game. Small chance Sky pass, but BT then would probably pick Mourinho first game, and then Spurs V Liverpool week 3. Given choices later, BT cannot afford to show Spurs, Man City or Chelsea without quota consequences.

Week 2- Definite Sky pass, I expect BT to pass back, but Leicester V Arsenal may tempt them.

Week 3- Definite Sky pass. BT pick Hull V Man Utd or Spurs V Liverpool (I think former, particularly as BT will get some big Spurs games before Xmas despite the risk of not showing Liverpool. BT will be offered at least 3 of Spurs V Man City, Man Utd V Spurs, Arsenal V Spurs and Chelsea V Spurs)

Week 4- Definite Sky first pick. Man Utd V Man City definite, not sure any other games stick on though Friday may be used (managers wont be happy as post international break)

Week 5- Sky may pass this, although I think Sky pick it as weak Super Sundays for two weeks after. Sky first pick.

Week 6- Sky pass. BT have to play a first pick to get either Arsenal V Chelsea or Man Utd V Leicester. Sky could pass the week before to get both games, but I think Sky would be better just accepting they have Man U V Leicester Sat lunch and BT get Arsenal V Chelsea.

Week 7- Sky pass. Ryder Cup week. Only big game is Spurs V Man City. I think BT take it. If I was Sky Id just dump this week- and let BT pick a second pick too. Sky probably show Burnley V Arsenal from the bank holiday pack.

Week 8- Sky (definite), Week 9- Sky (definite) Week 10- Sky and BT Pass (Definite), Week 11- Probable Sky keep, Week 12- Probable Sky keep, Week 13- Definite Sky pass (probable BT keep), Week 14- Probable Sky pass (lose Man City V Chelsea but get Everton V Man Utd, West Ham V Arsenal), Week 15- Definite Sky pass (probable BT keep), Week 16- Midweek, Week 17- Probable Sky keep (but could see Sky giving up Man City V Arsenal as get Mereyside Derby)

I think by this point, BT have used 7 of their 9 picks, which would mean in practice BT having to pass a good looking week back
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Old 16-06-2016, 18:36
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Sky will.have their work cut out on he opening day of the premier league season as it falls on Super Saturday of the Rio Olympic games
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Old 16-06-2016, 19:06
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Would the police sanction a game on NYE for 5.30pm? They would be stretched that night as it is and if your an away fan and travelling 4 5 6 hours do you really want to spend most of NYE on a bus!
No, no they wouldn't - I used to have a friend with benefits who was a copper and, according to him, New Year's Eve is their busiest night of the year (and this was for Cambridgeshire Police).
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Old 16-06-2016, 21:14
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Sky will.have their work cut out on he opening day of the premier league season as it falls on Super Saturday of the Rio Olympic games
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Old 16-06-2016, 21:16
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Friday nights are going to be hard

1 After Internationals
2 During CL weeks
3 Week before CL (see 1 above )

Obviously 2 highly likely dates are first Friday and Friday Dec 30th
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Old 16-06-2016, 21:44
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Week 3- Definite Sky pass. BT pick Hull V Man Utd or Spurs V Liverpool (I think former, particularly as BT will get some big Spurs games before Xmas despite the risk of not showing Liverpool. BT will be offered at least 3 of Spurs V Man City, Man Utd V Spurs, Arsenal V Spurs and Chelsea V Spurs)
Very interesting analysis loyalsince. I think BT will take Spurs v Liverpool if they are offered first pick. The one to pass might be Man City v Spurs. I understand that what I've said about Liverpool also applies to Man Utd, but I think BT might be a bit more relaxed about them given that they are in the Europa League. Furthermore, if BT return first pick to Sky in Week 2 (and I think they will), here are the games that I think Sky will go for:

Leicester v Arsenal
Stoke v Man City
Watford v Chelsea
Sunderland v Middlesbrough.

Quite how Sky will play it in terms of picks I'm not sure, but I think BT would feel fairly confident of getting Man Utd v Southampton in Week 2.
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Old 16-06-2016, 21:56
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Good stuff as ever folks!

My first pick forecast up to the end of November was exactly the same as yours TLG86 with the exception of Tottenham-Liverpool in R3. That one could definitely go either way, but there's certainly a reasonable chance of BT being on four Spurs games by the end of November. The only other debatable ones for me are R5/R6. Chelsea-Liverpool and Arsenal-Chelsea are of similar quality, and Sky could plump for either. The settler may well be that the former comes prior to a CL midweek and therefore cannot be played at Sun 16:00. For that reason (along with the potential for a Liverpool squeeze) I'm going along with BT getting Arsenal-Chelsea.

BT face a dilemma not only with getting their first Liverpool game but also their first Man Utd game. Both clubs are likely to be selected by Sky in R1, R4 and R5. Then R6 has Arsenal-Chelsea which BT wouldn't ever turn down. So to get Man Utd and Liverpool before October they'll have to capitalise on R2 and R3. But if Sky take a first pick in R3 they can choose Tottenham-Liverpool and Hull-Man Utd, leaving BT only able to cover one of them via R2. If Sky don't take a first pick in R3 then BT are free to go for Man Utd-Southampton (R2) and Tottenham-Liverpool (R3). So on balance Sky should take R3, as per TLG86's forecast!

Regarding Friday nights, I'm still unsure of the rules. Can they be used in rounds which come immediately after an international break? This would certainly suit Sky in R5 with Man Utd-Man City and Liverpool-Leicester both desirable but before a CL round. However I'm not sure the PL would allow a game at this time when players may only just have returned from long trips away. I realise this does happen in some overseas leagues, but I'm not convinced the PL would want to go down that route. If there is such a restriction then it greatly affects the number of times the Friday night slot can be utilised.

Moving to the BH rounds, I agree with the consensus on the obvious picks. And I think Sky having eight games over those two rounds may push them towards letting Liverpool-Man City go in-between (R19). They're going to be really strong in terms of volume anyway at this time without the need to spend a first pick. It would also mean another Liverpool carrot to dangle in front of BT.

The change in the first picks landscape is fascinating. Previously BT's big games were generally frontloaded because Sky wanted them to be (Sky wanted total control of the run-in). But now BT have something of a say in the matter with the six opportunities to throw the first pick back at Sky. However a sketchy selection of the first picks for the entire season suggests to me that BT will still frontload. They just don't have quite enough flexibility to change that substantially. The end result may be that Sky have a couple of their Package A first picks later on than you'd perhaps expect. In my set-up all of R28, R29 and R32 are Package A first picks. But as has been said predicting anything in the second half of the season is dodgy due to the unknowns of team squeezes and who is in the title race.
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Old 16-06-2016, 22:08
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Interesting Igloo_Man, you're seeing the same thing as me. I think you've muddled up your Champions League weeks, though. I think Week 5 (Liverpool v Chelsea) follows the Champions League and Arsenal v Chelsea precedes it.

I am sure Friday nights are going to be possible following international breaks. It would seem very odd if that we're not the case - it would almost defeat the point in my opinion. Sure, it will certainly upset managers, but I think they'll just have to get on with it.
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Old 16-06-2016, 22:46
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Interesting Igloo_Man, you're seeing the same thing as me. I think you've muddled up your Champions League weeks, though. I think Week 5 (Liverpool v Chelsea) follows the Champions League and Arsenal v Chelsea precedes it.

I am sure Friday nights are going to be possible following international breaks. It would seem very odd if that we're not the case - it would almost defeat the point in my opinion. Sure, it will certainly upset managers, but I think they'll just have to get on with it.
Sorry knotted myself up there with my wording, although the point I was making still stands: Arsenal-Chelsea may be less appealing to Sky since it precedes a CL round and therefore cannot be a Super Sunday game, whereas Chelsea-Liverpool can.
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Old 16-06-2016, 22:52
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Good points made. I just think given the option sky would go for arsenal v spurs over spurs v Liverpool as I don't think bt can take spurs v liv without dropping another big game.

It is a fixture sky have passed three years in a row, or given bt the option to show.

I also think Manu v Southampton is a probable on sky, particularly if bt plump for hull v Manu.

I think it will be close to impossible to be sure which weeks were passed until near the end of the season.
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Old 17-06-2016, 03:56
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Just curious as to anybody's thoughts on Tottenham v Leicester and the likelihood of it being picked ahead of a CL week, especially if they end up playing on the Tues night. They may play different nights of course. 12.30?
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Old 17-06-2016, 08:30
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If Sky use the usual tactic of giving BT the big Spurs games, then I would expect Sky to use their Package A first pick in Week 10 on Spurs v Leicester. As this weekend is preceded by the fourth round of the League Cup, I think Sky won't be able to use the Friday night slot. So I think Week 10 looks like a likely candidate for Sky to pass second pick to BT and they'll be eyeing up either West Brom v Man City or Sunderland v Arsenal.
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