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Rangers v Celtic Is due to played sometime during the Weekend of December 31st, Will that change how Sky play out there PL Fixtures that weekend.
Also Scotland have a round of fixtures on Christmas Eve. I guess it works in Scotland, as the country is smaller, than England |
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I think the Friday after a International Break will not be popular with clubs with South American players
More likely they will pick the Friday of a League Cup Week ?? |
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Also Scotland have a round of fixtures on Christmas Eve. I guess it works in Scotland, as the country is smaller, than England
It's a good 4 hours by bus from Dingwall to Glasgow, meaning Partick Thistle fans won't get home until nearer 10pm. And it'll be after 9pm for Inverness fans travelling back from Ibrox. For me it's bad enough having a home game on Christmas Eve. Part of me is wishing we were given an away game, then I wouldn't feel compelled to go. I guess moving the fixtures to lunchtime would make it a bit more palatable. |
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I think the Friday after a International Break will not be popular with clubs with South American players
More likely they will pick the Friday of a League Cup Week ?? We see Championship matches played on the Friday, after international break, OK most of the international players from that league aren't from South America, but they still play. |
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It really doesn't work, especially with the fixtures they've come up with.
It's a good 4 hours by bus from Dingwall to Glasgow, meaning Partick Thistle fans won't get home until after 9pm. It'll be about the same time for Inverness fans travelling back from Ibrox. For me it's bad enough having a home game on Christmas Eve. Part of me is wishing we were given an away game, then I wouldn't feel compelled to go. |
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Guess it means Sky still get a game of Football live on Christmas Eve
I can see a lot of clubs preferring Friday night as well. Indeed, there will need to be one Friday night game because Dundee and Dundee Utd are scheduled to both be at home on Christmas Eve. Anyway, this is deviating from the main topic. I might start an SPFL fixtures thread - there's no strategies involved but it'll be good to keep track. |
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I think the Friday after a International Break will not be popular with clubs with South American players
More likely they will pick the Friday of a League Cup Week ?? |
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Package F will be interesting for BT with a maximum of 3 per club
They have 3 Midweek Rounds to choose They also have 4 second picks as well as 4 fourth picks Do they sacrifice a top club playing a midweek so they can get them playing on Sat at 530 as second pick?? 13-Dec-16 Middlesbrough v Liverpool 13-Dec-16 Sunderland v Chelsea 13-Dec-16 Crystal Palace v Man Utd 14-Dec-16 Everton v Arsenal 14-Dec-16 Man City v Watford 14-Dec-16 Tottenham v Hull 31-Jan-17 Arsenal v Watford 31-Jan-17 Sunderland v Tottenham 31-Jan-17 Man Utd v Hull 31-Jan-17 West Ham v Man City 01-Feb-17 Liverpool v Chelsea 04-Apr-17 Arsenal v West Ham 04-Apr-17 Swansea v Tottenham 04-Apr-17 Man Utd v Everton 05-Apr-17 Chelsea v Man City 05-Apr-17 Liverpool v Bournemouth |
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The interesting thing for BT is, what do they do if Man City and Chelsea have mediocre seasons? If we get to February (when the April picks are made) and neither is in the title race, do they show games involving title challengers?
I suppose it depends on how their weekend Package F picks develop. For sure BT will be make sure they can pick Man City and Chelsea, but they might have a decision to make. |
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And also the 31st Jan is just after FA Cup weekend
BT may have to not select a club on Sunday or it will stop them showing them on Tuesday I am assuming they show Liv v Che on Feb 1 |
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I do hope under new deal that sky have option to be a bit flexible with kick off times.
On 10th Sep, the old firm game has significant interest across Britain. Sky may show it sat lunch with Manchester Derby, or show Manchester Derby Fri night. If however they schedule old firm on Sun lunch at 12 noon, with proviso it moves if Celtic in champs league, I hope sky could show a prem or football league game at 1415, and show prem at 1630. |
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I think you will disappointed loyalsince. The Sunday games will only move if there is a 12:00 game or if there is the possibility of one - such as a Monday night game being moved to accommodate an FA Cup Replay.
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What's the difference between 8pm on a Friday and 12.30 on a Saturday Lunchtime,
We see Championship matches played on the Friday, after international break, OK most of the international players from that league aren't from South America, but they still play. Fly back from a holiday in California, Mexico, Brasil and arrive home late Saturday night. Your sleep patterns will be off and you still won't feel back to normal when it's time to go to work Monday morning. By Tuesday morning you'll feel alot more energetic after a second nights sleep. Imagine if your job was playing football at a high level, and the difference an extra nights sleep meant. That is what will happen to players arriving back on Thursdays from South America. On the Friday they'll still be jet lagged and off the pace with only one (probably not great) nights sleep. After a second nights sleep they'll be alot more up to speed. That's the difference a Friday night or Saturday lunchtime game will mean for them. |
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I think you will disappointed loyalsince. The Sunday games will only move if there is a 12:00 game or if there is the possibility of one - such as a Monday night game being moved to accommodate an FA Cup Replay.
I think if sky have a 12 noon football league game it would be nice to allow 1415 and 1630, though I guess international broadcasters want consistency and most sky sports subscribers have a recording facility |
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If Sky use the usual tactic of giving BT the big Spurs games, then I would expect Sky to use their Package A first pick in Week 10 on Spurs v Leicester. As this weekend is preceded by the fourth round of the League Cup, I think Sky won't be able to use the Friday night slot. So I think Week 10 looks like a likely candidate for Sky to pass second pick to BT and they'll be eyeing up either West Brom v Man City or Sunderland v Arsenal.
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I do hope under new deal that sky have option to be a bit flexible with kick off times.
On 10th Sep, the old firm game has significant interest across Britain. Sky may show it sat lunch with Manchester Derby, or show Manchester Derby Fri night. If however they schedule old firm on Sun lunch at 12 noon, with proviso it moves if Celtic in champs league, I hope sky could show a prem or football league game at 1415, and show prem at 1630. |
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The following old firm Derby is on the weekend of December 31st, can't see Sky showing that and a Premier League game at Lunchtime.
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Apologies if someone has already made this point, but having looked at the fixtures, I think Sky have been dealt a worse hand than in recent seasons. Weeks 35 to 37 have the following big fixtures:
35: Tottenham v Arsenal 36: Arsenal v Man Utd 37: Tottenham v Man Utd Now that looks pretty good - little "run-in wastage". The problem is that two of these games feature Spurs. We're all accustomed to Sky's tactic of getting BT maxed out of Spurs games to allow them to get big games featuring Spurs despite BT having first pick. The problem this season is that these games come too late. Sky could get BT maxed out of Spurs games by then, but do they really want to give BT the chance to have a first pick on a game that might really matter? With all that in mind I've had a go at picking my 15 Sky first pick passes and a guess as to what BT will do with them (A = BT return to Sky, B = BT first pick): Week 2 - Leicester v Arsenal (A1) Week 3 - Tottenham v Liverpool (B1) Week 6 - Arsenal v Chelsea (B2) Week 7 - Tottenham v Man City (A2) Week 10 - Tottenham v Leicester (A3) Week 11 - Arsenal v Tottenham (B3) Week 13 - Chelsea v Tottenham (A4) Week 15 - Man Utd v Tottenham (B4) Week 19 - Liverpool v Man City (B5) Week 22 - Man City v Tottenham (B6) Week 25 - Liverpool v Tottenham (B7) - BT maxed out of Tottenham in Package B Week 27 - Liverpool v Arsenal (B8) Week 28 - Arsenal v Leicester (A5) Week 32 - Leicester v Everton (A6) Week 34 - Leicester v Tottenham (B9) - Obviously BT can't take this game if they are maxed out on Spurs I bet Sky were cursing their luck when they saw the fixtures for NYE and Jan 2nd. Had the Liverpool v Man City and Tottenham v Chelsea games been the over way around, then Sky would probably have secured both (or BT would have had to drop one of the other Spurs games). And it gets worse for Sky. Week 34 is a relatively weak round and just far out enough not to worry too much if BT get first pick. They may well be maxed out of title contenders so it might not matter. But it is also FA Cup Semi Final weekend. Sky will be nervous about the possibility of BT getting a significant game that is rearranged for the final midweek of the season. My only worry for BT is that they don't have the right people making the decisions. I've been frustrated in the past that they've allowed the money men to have too much influence over the picks. I have a slight concern that the executives will flinch at the idea of passing first pick back to Sky when they could have Tottenham v Man City or Chelsea v Man City. They need to realise that at some point they will have to pass first pick on a decent game and it's worth doing that at least once in first half of the season. One decision that BT might have to make is, do they max out on Spurs by showing their trip to Liverpool in Week 25? That game is on February 11 and the picks for that round of games will be finalised just before Christmas. If it looks like Spurs are in with a shout of the title, then they may consider passing that week to Sky. They'll have Liverpool v Chelsea in Week 23 and I reckon they might get Liverpool v Arsenal in Week 27 so they won't need any more Liverpool games. Passing Week 25 back to Sky would allow them first pick in Week 28 (Arsenal v Leicester) which is also FA Cup Quarter Final weekend - so another possibility to get a rearranged game later in the season. So is there anything Sky can do differently to make BT's life harder? I'm not sure. Perhaps they could tempt BT with a different team. Maybe they could pass first pick in Weeks 1, 3 and 5 and tempt them with Liverpool. But BT might take all three games knowing that Sky would die in a ditch before giving up Liverpool v Man Utd. Do Sky really want to let BT have all those big Liverpool games to plug at the start of the season? Probably not. Maybe Arsenal is an option - but for it to work they are going to have to sacrifice Man Utd v Arsenal in Week 12. Chelsea? Can you see Sky giving up Mourinho's return to Stamford Bridge in Week 9? No, me neither. Ditto Man City and Pep v Jose. I'll have a further look at how some of the other picks may play out. But right now I think the fixtures are looking quite good for BT. |
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My instinct would be that it might be in Sky's interests to gamble re the above issue.
ie It's not worth giving up a big 5 head to head in early / mid season just to secure 1st pick on FA QF and / or FA SF weekends just to cover off the possibility that the team BT picks on those weekends has the game rearranged and it goes late in the season and the team is in title contention and it becomes an absolutely key game in the title race. Of course Sky could get unlucky but quite a few different things all have to fall into place for them to be unlucky. And even if all those things do happen it still might not actually decide the title. The over-riding point is that by going down from 20 to 18 controlling 1st picks they've lost a little bit of control. When they had 20 it was easier to absolutely "100% cover all bases" so they knew for absolute certain they would show every bit of key action in the run-in - whatever happened with rearrangements. So they now have a choice - give up one or two extra big head to heads in early / mid season or keep them and instead just take a bit of a chance on the "FA QF / SF rearranged games issue". |
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The following old firm Derby is on the weekend of December 31st, can't see Sky showing that and a Premier League game at Lunchtime.
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Apologies if someone has already made this point, but having looked at the fixtures, I think Sky have been dealt a worse hand than in recent seasons. Weeks 35 to 37 have the following big fixtures:
I'll have a further look at how some of the other picks may play out. But right now I think the fixtures are looking quite good for BT. Week 3 - Tottenham v Liverpool, Week 6 - Arsenal v Chelsea (B2), Week 11 - Arsenal v Tottenham (B3), Week 15 - Man Utd v Tottenham (B4) I know BT's better games are midweeks later on, but with regards the above, even in ESPN days with 23 games, I reckon they would show two games before Xmas like week 3 and 15. Chelsea V Spurs and Spurs V Man City are also the clear big game that weekend, with poor alternatives. If picks are done in initial two month block (up to an incl 1st Oct), and Sky say right Hull V Leicester pack D week 1, Sunderland V Everton pack D week 4, Chelsea V Liverpool pack D week 5, I think it puts BT in a really tight spot. What do you do? BT are now blind as to Sky's intentions with picks 2-4. BT must be worried that Sky go Man Utd, Liverpool and Chelsea games week 1. That would mean them having to pick Man City V Sunderland. If they do, then Sky could go Leicester V Arsenal, Man Utd V Southampton week two, if BT pass back. That would probably prevent BT from picking Stoke V Man City. I agree with mlt11 that Sky will find it harder to put games in packages, but I think BT are in a much tighter spot in practice. If your BT why turn down Leicester V Arsenal in week 2 for possibility of Arsenal V Leicester dead rubber later in the season? |
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BT would be mad to turn down Leicester v Aresnal.
For Two reasons An early opportunity for them to show the champions, but on the flip side, if Leicester really do flop, It takes there Quotas down on them On the picks overall, with Newcastle and Villa gone, where do you think there share of the fixtures will go, Newcastle and Villa were shown quite a bit. Guess Everton and Southampton will get them fed down to them, alongside West Ham |
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BT would be mad to turn down Leicester v Aresnal.
For Two reasons An early opportunity for them to show the champions, but on the flip side, if Leicester really do flop, It takes there Quotas down on them On the picks overall, with Newcastle and Villa gone, where do you think there share of the fixtures will go, Newcastle and Villa were shown quite a bit. Guess Everton and Southampton will get them fed down to them, alongside West Ham So BT start with Man City V Sunderland or Chelsea V West Ham, Leicester V Arsenal and Hull V Man Utd, with one first pick used. Too many variables- I think this is enough from me- I just going to wait till actual first block of games is released |
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Really good post, but I have to say that I slightly disagree. Under your scenario these are the big games BT will show before Xmas.
Week 3 - Tottenham v Liverpool, Week 6 - Arsenal v Chelsea (B2), Week 11 - Arsenal v Tottenham (B3), Week 15 - Man Utd v Tottenham (B4) I know BT's better games are midweeks later on, but with regards the above, even in ESPN days with 23 games, I reckon they would show two games before Xmas like week 3 and 15. Chelsea V Spurs and Spurs V Man City are also the clear big game that weekend, with poor alternatives. If picks are done in initial two month block (up to an incl 1st Oct), and Sky say right Hull V Leicester pack D week 1, Sunderland V Everton pack D week 4, Chelsea V Liverpool pack D week 5, I think it puts BT in a really tight spot. What do you do? BT are now blind as to Sky's intentions with picks 2-4. BT must be worried that Sky go Man Utd, Liverpool and Chelsea games week 1. That would mean them having to pick Man City V Sunderland. If they do, then Sky could go Leicester V Arsenal, Man Utd V Southampton week two, if BT pass back. That would probably prevent BT from picking Stoke V Man City. I agree with mlt11 that Sky will find it harder to put games in packages, but I think BT are in a much tighter spot in practice. If your BT why turn down Leicester V Arsenal in week 2 for possibility of Arsenal V Leicester dead rubber later in the season? Now we are going to start to get really technical. I think we're fairly sure that picks are declared for batch. But do they then go back and make those picks? Or do they declare first, second, third and fourth picks before making them? This could be quite important. I think there's a good chance that Sky will take picks 1 to 4 in Week 1. But I don't think they'll do that in Week 2 as well (notwithstanding that it might be a Package A first pick). I think Sky might see Week 2 as an opportunity to pass 2nd pick and would feel pretty confident that BT would opt for Man Utd v Southampton. But the problem is that we just don't know quite what each party will know when they make their picks. On another technical matter, if their are appropriate slots available, I don't think it's impossible for BT (and possibly Sky for that matter) to take a pick out of turn. For example, let's say Sky use the following picks in Week 1: Chelsea v West Ham - Sat 12:30 - Sky - Package A - 2nd pick Bournemouth v Man Utd - Sun 13:30 - Sky - Package C - 4th pick Hull v Leicester - Sun 16:00 - Sky - Package D - 1st pick Arsenal v Liverpool - Mon 20:00 - Sky - Package E - 3rd pick I think Sky would be unable to use a fifth pick as they have already used a pick in Packages A and C. But I don't think BT are obliged to use a fifth pick in Package B. If they were, you quite rightly identify Man City v Sunderland as the game they'd go for as Spurs is off limits. However, I think BT would be well within their right to use a fourth pick from Package F - which could well be used on Everton v Spurs. As it is, I actually think Sky will go for the following games in Week 1: Hull v Leicester - Sat 12:45 - Package A 2nd pick Bournemouth v Man Utd - Sun 13:30 - Package C 4th pick Arsenal v Liverpool - Sun 16:00 - Package D 1st pick Everton v Tottenham - Mon 20:00 - Package E 3rd pick Week 1 is an opportunity to get a Champions League in Package E. I suppose they could start the season with Man City v Sunderland on the Friday night (City have a Champions League qualifier), but that doesn't look particularly appealing to me. So that leaves Arsenal, Leicester and Spurs. I think Sky will be eyeing up Leicester v Arsenal for Monday night in Week 2, so I think that they will go for Everton v Spurs in Week 1. Of course, BT might take first pick in Week 2 to get Leicester v Arsenal. I expect them to pas first pick in Week 28 (reverse fixtures), but if I think BT should look to save a first pick for a week later in the season. So I wouldn't take first pick in Week 2 at the expense of having it in Week 34. What might make a difference is whether Sky give up first pick in Week 6. If BT know they have Arsenal v Chelsea, they probably won't be too bothered about letting Leicester v Arsenal go. |
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The more I think about it the more I think Sky will take the first pick in R3. Standalone it's not a round worthy of a first pick, but it would have implications for BT.
First of all, I cannot envisage R2 ending up as a Sky first pick in Package A. Sky will certainly not use up a Package D first pick for it, but BT will be straight in there with one of theirs. It's early season and they want to make an impression in their new slot. Always bear in mind that this is the time of year when unsure consumers will be taking decisions on their subs for the season, and so maximising game quality in the early weeks is important. Which game BT take is dependent on Sky's move with R3. If Sky pass R3 then there's no doubt in my mind that BT take Tottenham-Liverpool or Hull-Man Utd. You'd expect them to choose the former as it is the bigger game, but as has been said they did opt for Man Utd in a similar situation in a previous season. If this does play out then BT's first pick in R2 would surely go to the other of Man Utd and Liverpool. That would have them having shown both of the biggest TV teams in August as well as presumably one of Chelsea and Man City in R1. This is more important to them in my opinion than taking Leicester-Arsenal. On the other hand, if Sky do take Tottenham-Liverpool and Hull-Man Utd in R3 it ensures BT cannot achieve the above scenario. And if Sky opt for Liverpool-Leicester in addition to Man Utd-Man City in R4 and Watford-Man Utd in addition to Chelsea-Liverpool in R5 that would mean BT not showing one of Man Utd and Liverpool until R6 at the earliest. But that's Arsenal-Chelsea week, a game which Sky are likely to pass on to BT. So essentially BT would be able to take one of Man Utd and Liverpool in R2, with the other then not shown until R7. That's a huge blow for BT who we know from past experience like to get these two clubs on ASAP. Of course the caveat with this tactic is that Sky need to watch their own quotas. If it plays out as I've outlined that would mean Sky showing four of the first five games for both Man Utd and Liverpool. Then again, Sky did exactly that with Liverpool last season, so this may not be much of an issue. |
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