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Old 24-05-2016, 22:37
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*Insert generic whinge about how long they're taking over announcing the live TV games and how much train ticket prices are going up*
Its a disgrace. Surely the least Sky can do at this stage is let Premier League clubs know if they are going to Hull or Sheffield Wednesday next season.
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Old 24-05-2016, 22:39
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Of Course the Football League kick off the weekend before, so maybe Sky might fill all the gaps, and maybe Football League on the Saturday Evening
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Old 24-05-2016, 22:41
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Awaiting the inevitable post from wolvesdavid that it's pointless starting the thread this early.........
Well it was proven that I knew what I was talking about in the 2015-2016 fixtures thread.

We've established that it has indeed become a precident that FA Cup replays can clash with Champions League games.
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Old 24-05-2016, 22:57
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Of Course the Football League kick off the weekend before, so maybe Sky might fill all the gaps, and maybe Football League on the Saturday Evening
Football League games will almost certainly move to Saturday teatime.

There might be some police restrictions (especially if Millwall are promoted), in which case Sunday lunchtime.
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Old 25-05-2016, 01:27
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First week is tough especially if West Ham are at home. Plus Jose, Pep & Antonio's first game plus Leicester as champions.
Would West Ham being at their new 'home' really merit an automatic TV pick? West Ham v Man Utd for first game, sure......West Ham v Stoke though? I mean, Sky waited until November 2006 to televise Arsenal at the Emirates (sure, different times)....wonder if there was soemthing more to that.

At least Leicester have shattered the streak of clubs on the 1st MNF going on to win the title.
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Old 25-05-2016, 06:39
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But let's say a weekend throws up Liverpool v spurs and man city v arsenal pre cl.

With Fri option if sky pass, bt have to bite and take one, or sky get both.

Without Fri bt could pass, knowing sky could only have one

(I appreciate this rule not set in stone and exceptions, but it does seem a convention)
But in such a scenario, Sky would take first, second and third pick (assuming they control third picks, which I think they do) anyway as they'd be getting two big games for the price of one first pick. And if they did pass first pick, BT would be more than pleased to have the choice of two big games and pick the one that helps their quotas.

In 2013-14, we had two double headers of Liverpool v Man Utd and Arsenal v Spurs and in 2014-15 we had Merseyside and North London derbies on the same weekend. Sky showed both games in 2013-14 but passed first pick in both weekends in 2014-15 - partly, I suspect because the first weekend preceded Europe. In 2015-16 the biggest double header (on paper!) was Everton v Liverpool and Arsenal v Man Utd. The first weekend preceded an international break so Sky took both games. Where Sky were scuppered by Europe was not being able to secure both Liverpool v Man Utd and Everton v Chelsea. As you say, this season Sky have the option of Friday nights, but, that does require Sky to burn a third pick.

mlt11 has said in the past that he thinks that it is a little too convenient that there hasn't been a really big double header in the last three years (e.g. Arsenal v Man Utd and Liverpool v Chelsea). Such double headers would obviously favour Sky, so it will be interesting to see if that continues. While Leicester are not a big team, they are champions. As such, if we add them into the Big 6, there are 42 big head to heads of which at least four will be in the same round. Of course, if Leicester are out of contention come Christmas, their remaining games with the Big 6 won't be so important, but it's likely that there will be a double header of sorts in the first 14 weeks of the season.

Why not post the 2017-2018 fixtures thread whilst your at it TLG86?
I knew you'd be pleased!

Would West Ham being at their new 'home' really merit an automatic TV pick? West Ham v Man Utd for first game, sure......West Ham v Stoke though? I mean, Sky waited until November 2006 to televise Arsenal at the Emirates (sure, different times)....wonder if there was something more to that.
I agree with West Ham and the Olympic Stadium in terms of Week 1 - there are bigger stories. If West Ham are at home in Week 2, then I can see Sky using a fifth pick in Package A or C to fill a couple of quotas if it is Stoke, for example.
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Old 25-05-2016, 06:46
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I think the first home game in the Olympic stadium with all it's controversies will be a story but of course West Ham vs lower half team won't carry too much weight

I'd imagine Sky will fancy a Super Sunday at West Ham as soon as a decent game crops up and West Ham vs Big 6 (or 7) is always a relatively popular game to show over the years

The mix of games will change slightly I think as Newcastle/Villa vs big side was also a popular choice and neither of the promoted clubs will attract many TV games in the way those 2 teams do.

Sheff Weds would probably be featured a fair bit initially given the size of the club and how long they've been relegated for (if they beat Hull).
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Old 25-05-2016, 09:02
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Sheff Weds would probably be featured a fair bit initially given the size of the club and how long they've been relegated for (if they beat Hull).
Sheffield Wednesday v Liverpool would be a certain pick, especially given recent events.
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Old 25-05-2016, 10:50
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I think the hype over West Ham's ground move has been vastly overblown. The Boleyn Ground was a brilliant place to go to watch games, but you'd have thought Anfield or Old Trafford was being demolished the way everyone was going on about it. Maine Road, Highbury and even places like Roker Park and The Dell were not afforded such media attention as the end of Upton Park. Is it because a fair proportion of our footballing media are West Ham fans?

Also, this new Olympic Stadium deal stinks really, and personally I would ignore their opening game there just to annoy all those involved in making the deal.

Leicester have to be chosen for the opening weekend, like every other defending Champion has been before, but after that I think it comes down to which games look best.

The new media fascination with managers first games will obviously take precedence, but a United or City game will not be a better watch just because some fella is stood on the touchline watching it. As for Conte at Chelsea, well I bet most people barely know who he is. I follow Italian football, but I am in the minority and I would reckon his arrival in England has barely caused a ripple outside of those who follow Chelsea.

Whether it's Guardiola, Mourinho, Conte etc, after the initial ten minutes wondering what said manager is doing, the game takes over, and a crap looking game is still a crap looking game regardless of who is managing the teams.
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Old 25-05-2016, 11:15
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Easter weekend falls on the 15/16 April and is sandwiched by the first and second legs of the European quarter finals. My guess would be that the FA Cup semi finals would be the following weekend. I seem to remember a bit of a row in 2012 with Chelsea having to play their cup semi final on Sunday 15 April just before their Champions League semi final with Barcelona. Has enough time passed that Liverpool will play on the 15? It wouldn't be good if they were playing a Champions League team who had games on the preceding Wednesday and following Tuesday.
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Old 25-05-2016, 11:24
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This year was the last memorial service at Anfield, but I don't know if that means April 15th is now "available" as a fixture date.
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Old 25-05-2016, 12:57
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I'm pretty sure they (Liverpool) said they won't play on the anniversary regardless of the fact there will be no more memorial services.
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Old 25-05-2016, 13:17
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BT will have West Ham's first competitive game at the Olympic Stadium
The third qualifying round of the Europa League on either the 28/7 or 4/8.
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Old 25-05-2016, 13:23
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I think the hype over West Ham's ground move has been vastly overblown. The Boleyn Ground was a brilliant place to go to watch games, but you'd have thought Anfield or Old Trafford was being demolished the way everyone was going on about it. Maine Road, Highbury and even places like Roker Park and The Dell were not afforded such media attention as the end of Upton Park. Is it because a fair proportion of our footballing media are West Ham fans?
I dunno about that, there was plenty of hoopla when Highbury closed, and I remember watching a documentary on Granada about Maine Road. Maybe not so much with Roker Park but that was twenty years ago before football media had exploded to the behemoth it is these days with hundreds of hours and column inches to be filled. Most papers didn't have sports pull-outs in those days. And they did bang on about it a bit, I had on an old tape the MOTD for Sunderland vs Newcastle from Sunderland's last season at Roker Park and they mention it throughout. Nobody liked The Dell.

One reason why the West Ham farewell got so much exposure too is that the last game was supposed to be against Swansea on the Saturday, and I read that West Ham had actually specifically requested a low key final home game so it didn't become an enormous circus. So the last game would have been a Saturday 3pm kick-off not on telly and all the celebrations would have got a minute on MOTD. But then the rearranged fixtures meant they got Man U as the last game. West Ham vs Man U is a pretty high profile fixture any season, they show it live more often than not, and then it also ended up being quite pivotal in terms of the league, so Sky ended up showing it live and it became a much bigger deal.

Leicester have to be chosen for the opening weekend, like every other defending Champion has been before, but after that I think it comes down to which games look best.
It's not always been the case, Man U didn't have their opening game shown live in 2003/04. But there were far fewer games televised those days, of course.

This year was the last memorial service at Anfield, but I don't know if that means April 15th is now "available" as a fixture date.
I don't think it will be, the club have made it clear they don't like playing that day. I remember the last time the 15th fell on a Saturday, in 2006, initially they rescheduled the game to 5.15, but then it was rescheduled again to the following day, which was also Easter Sunday.

I don't think the semi-finals will be played that weekend anyway, I don't think they've ever played them on the Easter weekend. No need to do it next season as the season can spread out a bit with no tournament at the end of it.
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Old 25-05-2016, 13:32
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BT will have West Ham's first competitive game at the Olympic Stadium
The third qualifying round of the Europa League on either the 28/7 or 4/8.
There's no guarantees that any broadcaster will show this game.
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Old 25-05-2016, 13:37
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This year was the last memorial service at Anfield, but I don't know if that means April 15th is now "available" as a fixture date.
I think it will be a very long time until Liverpool ever play a game of football on April 15th. And I think most bodies will do what they can to make sure a conflict never really arises. UEFA are the only ones who concern me, but I think even they would make sure it never happened either.
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Old 25-05-2016, 13:55
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BT will have West Ham's first competitive game at the Olympic Stadium
The third qualifying round of the Europa League on either the 28/7 or 4/8.
They would have to request a home/away swap in Europa if they're drawn at home first due to an athletics events 22-24 July
http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/foot...-a3254481.html
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Old 25-05-2016, 13:55
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The April 15 situation came up with UEFA in 2009 and they sorted things out to an acceptable conclusion then
https://www.theguardian.com/football...ampions-league
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Old 25-05-2016, 16:24
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The April 15 situation came up with UEFA in 2009 and they sorted things out to an acceptable conclusion then
https://www.theguardian.com/football...ampions-league
It's not too hard to avoid, really - Saturday games can be moved to Friday, Sunday or Monday, Tuesday games can be moved to Wednesday and vice versa. The only issue would probably be when 15th April fell on a Thursday and Liverpool were still in the Europa League. But that won't be a problem until 2021 at the earliest.
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Old 25-05-2016, 18:24
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But in such a scenario, Sky would take first, second and third pick (assuming they control third picks, which I think they do) anyway as they'd be getting two big games for the price of one first pick. And if they did pass first pick, BT would be more than pleased to have the choice of two big games and pick the one.
But the pass frees up sky to get a game like north London Derby on otherwise poor weekend.

Sky need to pass 15 out of 33 weeks, better to pass and get one big game on a weekend and not have to lose another week.

Obviously sky may take both, depending on fixtures. In both your examples, manutd involved.
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Old 25-05-2016, 20:28
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There's no guarantees that any broadcaster will show this game.
No of course, but its highly unlikely BT will miss the opportunity.
They showed Southampton last year.
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Old 25-05-2016, 21:03
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No of course, but its highly unlikely BT will miss the opportunity.
They showed Southampton last year.
And? Southampton aren't West Ham. It's entirely up to the home team if they want to sell the rights.

But regardless, it's still not the case that "BT will will have West Ham's first competitive game at the Olympic Stadium".
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Old 25-05-2016, 21:14
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And? Southampton aren't West Ham. It's entirely up to the home team if they want to sell the rights.

But regardless, it's still not the case that" BT will will have West Ham's first competitive game at the Olympic Stadium".
OK Mark, you've made your point. Thank you.
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Old 26-05-2016, 08:46
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Tottenham had a ridiculously large number of Monday night games at the end of last season.
Three out of four of their final games were on Monday night!

That is not fair on Tottenham fans and was bad news for those people that only have terrestrial TV. It meant that a team fighting for the title were rarely featured on Match of the Day during the end of the season.

Vey poor scheduling.

Tottenham must have had fewer Saturday games than any other team last season.
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Old 26-05-2016, 18:35
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If I've worked it out correctly Spurs played 13 league games on a Saturday in 2015/16 (regardless of whether said games kicked off at 12.45, 3.00 or 5.30).

Liverpool played 11.

Haven't worked out the totals for all teams yet, will check Man Utd.

Surprisingly I can see Utd as having played 18 league games on a Saturday. Utd would have lost some Saturday league games because of their FA Cup Run, similarly Liverpool lost Saturday games due to their Europa League run, during which of course they were playing Thursday/Sunday.
Without working out the figures for all teams it does look like Liverpool had fewest Saturday games.
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