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Old 21-07-2016, 13:54
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Sky have to keep passing spurs early I think. I also think man city v arsenal not too important for sky, particularly if good back up.
Agreed. Man City v Arsenal the weekend before Xmas is a definite pass because Everton v Liverpool is a great alternative for Sky in the 4pm Sunday slot.

If BT go heavy on City early on (as discussed earlier) you may even see BT taking the derby game and leaving City v Arsenal for Sky anyway.
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Old 21-07-2016, 14:31
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Agreed. Man City v Arsenal the weekend before Xmas is a definite pass because Everton v Liverpool is a great alternative for Sky in the 4pm Sunday slot.

If BT go heavy on City early on (as discussed earlier) you may even see BT taking the derby game and leaving City v Arsenal for Sky anyway.
Or Sky could take both...
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Old 21-07-2016, 14:38
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Or Sky could take both...
I think this week is a 50:50. If I was sky id pass and might even favour Manu v spurs week before. Unless man city and Chelsea both start well, 3rd Dec interesting as 3 really good games that week too.

I think it depends on whether man city on 3 games from b. If so, then sky more likely to pass
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Old 21-07-2016, 15:09
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I think this week is a 50:50. If I was sky id pass and might even favour Manu v spurs week before. Unless man city and Chelsea both start well, 3rd Dec interesting as 3 really good games that week too.

I think it depends on whether man city on 3 games from b. If so, then sky more likely to pass
True. I don't necessarily disagree, and in fact my initial stab would see Sky pass, but if they did I would expect BT to take the Merseyside Derby anyway, as it's the bigger game. I was just making the point because it seems that Sky can essentially choose how many picks they want to make before allowing BT to pick, because they seem to have control of all five picks (though obviously that becomes more and more restricted as the season goes on and picks have been made).

What is interesting to me at the moment is whether BT can essentially be forced to use all four of their weekend 2F picks when Sky want them to (could Sky force them to use them all up early?). Sky would appear to have the choice of picking either a 2A or a 2C (assuming that they haven't already had to take a 1A) OR passing and making BT use the 2F pick. there are 38 2nd picks so it would appear that one would have to be taken in every round...

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Old 21-07-2016, 15:40
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I think Sky might like to show Man City v Arsenal on the Monday Night but might gamble on BT taking the Merseyside Derby with a first pick.

It's hard to conceive of a system whereby Sky are unable to pass to Package F at will. It would be odd if a broadcaster had that or Package G as a standalone package as their weekend games would not be evenly spread through the season. But I think we all know these are top up packages for the two broadcasters.
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Old 21-07-2016, 16:29
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Well there are 4 second picks during the season for F

Sky have 29 second picks in paackages A and C

So if Sky say no one week then does that not force BT to use one of the 4 ???
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Old 21-07-2016, 18:45
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Man Utd V Liverpool was a Saturday 5.30pm fixture last season. Can't ever remember one at Anfield though
Great spot - I completely forgot about that! It was the one where Martial scored on his debut?

Yes. That Sky have five packs and BT only two does not mean that the former has control over the other. While the new structure was designed with the secondary rights holder getting Packages B and F, it was by no mean certain that we'd end up where we are now. As such there will be a clear protocol for how picks are made and we assume that Package B with nine first picks gets to pass first pick to Package A which has only six picks.
Interesting take on it. I have always been of the belief that if Sky were to take 1st pick in D then they proceed through their picks utilising the alphabetical order rule vs. majority of each pick. I have always thought that if Sky didn't utilise their control through package D then BT effectively have their hand forced into playing B which would then rotate back to Sky by way of C then E etc.
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Old 21-07-2016, 18:58
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Oooo, United on Boxing Day will almost certainly be picked. Moyes's return to Old Trafford.

Indeed. It was also played at Old Trafford on a Monday night in 2004.
Probably the closest we've had to a 'Monday' night at Anfield that 3-3 thriller at Anfield under Souness. Certain it was on Tuesday. But I think it happened in the New Year when routines get muddled up....
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Old 21-07-2016, 19:02
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Oooo, United on Boxing Day will almost certainly be picked. Moyes's return to Old Trafford.


I'm sure that 3-3 thriller at Anfield under Souness was on a Tuesday night. But I think it happened in the New Year when routines get muddled up....
Right on both counts - Tuesday January 4th '94
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Old 21-07-2016, 21:35
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Interesting take on it. I have always been of the belief that if Sky were to take 1st pick in D then they proceed through their picks utilising the alphabetical order rule vs. majority of each pick. I have always thought that if Sky didn't utilise their control through package D then BT effectively have their hand forced into playing B which would then rotate back to Sky by way of C then E etc.
I'm not sure the letters are significant - surely they just reflect the point in the weekend that the games are scheduled for:

Saturday 12:30 - A
Saturday 17:30 - B
Sunday 13:30 - C
Sunday 16:00 - D
Monday 20:00 - E

Oooo, United on Boxing Day will almost certainly be picked. Moyes's return to Old Trafford.

Probably the closest we've had to a 'Monday' night at Anfield that 3-3 thriller at Anfield under Souness. Certain it was on Tuesday. But I think it happened in the New Year when routines get muddled up....
Looking ahead there isn't an obvious Man Utd game that Sky could get as a weekend third pick in Package G. I had thought that either Southampton in Week 2 or Hull in Week 3 would be taken in that package. So perhaps Sky might consider taking both Man Utd v Sunderland on Boxing Day and West Ham v Man Utd on Jan 2/3/4.

On Liverpool v Man Utd, they played each other at Anfield on Wednesday 5 May 1999 while on the same night Spurs hosted Arsenal.
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Old 25-07-2016, 11:02
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Lots of ads for Sky Q at the moment but anyone else noted that they say they are showing 124 in UHD they they have rights for 126 games.

So why 2 missing? Assuming it's down to the last day of the season where they are likely to be showing 3 matches at the same time.
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Old 25-07-2016, 11:06
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Was the 3-3 Anfield draw, the match when Grobblelar let in the goals
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Old 25-07-2016, 11:38
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"Sky to launch free broadband offer for sports customers" full article here (free until midnight)

http://www.sportbusiness.com/sport-n...orts-customers

This caught my eye

Under the deal, Sky will be able to show extended highlights of all 212 Premier League matches that are not broadcast live on television and, for the first time, fans will also be able to watch these highlights on demand. From next season, the new deal coincides with newly-added mobile clips from all 380 Premier League matches, as well as live rights to 126 games.
That's sounds convenient if it is the 60m (?) highlights available 7 days on demand via the Sky box and Sky Go perhaps?
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Old 25-07-2016, 18:12
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My TV pick predictions for weeks 7-13

Sat 1st Oct 12:30 Swansea vs Liverpool (A2)
Sat 1st Oct 17:30 Tottenham vs Man City (B1) BT Sport
Sun 2nd Oct 13:30 Leicester vs Southampton (C4)
Sun 2nd Oct 16:00 Burnley vs Arsenal (G3)

Sat 15th Oct 12:30 Man City vs Everton (A2)
Sat 15th Oct 17:30 Chelsea vs Leicester (B3) BT Sport
*Sun 16th Oct 16:00 Liverpool vs Man United (D1)
Mon 17th Oct 20:00 Crystal Palace vs West Ham (E4)

Fri 21st Oct 20:00 Liverpool vs West Brom (E3)
Sat 22nd Oct 12:30 Arsenal vs Middlesbrough (A2)
Sat 22nd Oct 17:30 Swansea vs Watford (B5) BT Sport
Sun 23rd Oct 13:30 Man City vs Southampton (C4)
Sun 23rd Oct 16:00 Chelsea vs Man United (D1)

Sat 29th Oct 12:30 Tottenham vs Leicester (A1)
Sat 29th Oct 17:30 Southampton vs Chelsea (F2) BT Sport
Sun 30th Oct 16:00 Watford vs Hull (D4)
Mon 31st Oct 20:00 Crystal Palace vs Liverpool (E3)

Fri 4th Nov 20:00 Chelsea vs Everton (E3)
Sat 5th Nov 17:30 Arsenal vs Tottenham (B1) BT Sport
Sun 6th Nov 13:30 Swansea vs Man United (C2)
Sun 6th Nov 16:00 Leicester vs West Brom (D4)

Sat 19th Nov 12:30 Man United vs Arsenal (A2)
Sat 19th Nov 17:30 Southampton vs Liverpool (B3) BT Sport
**Sun 20th Nov 16:00 Tottenham vs West Ham/ Crystal Palace vs Man City (D1)
Mon 21st Nov 20:00 Sunderland vs Hull (E4)

***Fri 25th Nov 20:00 Arsenal vs Bournemouth (E3)
Sat 26th Nov 12:30 Chelsea vs Tottenham (A1)
Sun 27th Nov 12:00 Man United vs West Ham (F2) BT Sport
Sun 27th Nov 14:15 Watford vs Stoke City (C5)
Sun 27th Nov 16:30 Burnley vs Man City (D4)

With these fixtures all teams will have played at least 3 times on Sky by the end of the November.

8- MNU
7- LIV
6- CHE, MNC, WHU
5- ARS, LEI, TOT
4- SUN, SOU
3- BOU, BUR, CPL, EVE, HUL, MID, STO, SWA, WAT, WBA


These do come with a few what ifs.

* If PL agree, this could move to 13:30/14:15 on the Sunday if Police veto Sunday 4pm kick off.

** If Tottenham required to play on Tuesday 22nd Nov in CL, then TOT v WHU will swap with Man United vs Arsenal in (A2). If Tottenham AND Arsenal required to play on the following Tuesday 22nd Nov in CL then Sky will show Crystal Palace vs Man City instead of TOT v WHU in (D1).

*** If Arsenal required to play on Wednesday 23rd Nov in CL Watford vs Stoke City switches to (E3) and Arsenal v Bournemouth moves to (C5)
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Old 25-07-2016, 21:53
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That's an interesting set of games Grun20 - I'm certainly expecting some caveats to the picks. Week 12 is a tricky one - you would think that Arsenal and Spurs would be paired for the Champions League (and therefore play on different nights), but it's not certain. I would expect Sky to pick another game on the Sunday of Week 8 so that the Liverpool v Man Utd game can be played in the 13:30 slot.

One of the stranger things about Sky's first set of selections was that Arsenal were picked just the once. Like you I'm expecting to see Sky get Arsenal's trips to Burnley and Man Utd as well as their home game with Middlesbrough. If Sky give up the North London Derby that leaves leaves games with Swansea (h), Sunderland (a) and Bournemouth (h). The first is unlikely to be picked if Sky want Man City v Everton in the Saturday 12:30 slot. Sunderland is week 10 so might be a candidate for a 'swap'. The problem is that Spurs play Leicester that week so it doesn't lend itself to be an ideal game to be paired with as it would require those two to be playing on the same night in the Champions League. So that leaves Bournemouth at home in Week 13 as a possible choice.

Where I would disagree with your picks is with the BT second picks. If they have second pick in Week 10, I would expect BT to go for Palace v Liverpool. Should Sky want BT to go for Southampton v Chelsea, then I'd suggest they pass second pick in Week 9 which would allow BT to get Liverpool v West Brom. In turn that might make BT consider passing third pick in week 8 as they might think it worthwhile to take Palace v West Ham as a decent quota filler. If BT are offered second pick in Week 13, then I'm doubtful that they'd use it on Man Utd v West Ham. BT might opt to max out on Man Utd in Package F (assuming the Hull and Watford picks are in Package F), but I think they'll save one for Everton v Man Utd in Week 31.

I have a feeling that we're going to get a bit of a surprise when these picks are announced.
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Old 25-07-2016, 22:23
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The CL Pairings do not have to be 2 London clubs
UEFA can easily sort the draw so if Ars and Spurs play on same night then one is home and one away

It happens with Madrid in Spain
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Old 25-07-2016, 22:59
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The CL Pairings do not have to be 2 London clubs
UEFA can easily sort the draw so if Ars and Spurs play on same night then one is home and one away

It happens with Madrid in Spain
Same happened last year with Manchester and London paired on the same day.
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Old 26-07-2016, 06:21
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So the question is, which two of the English clubs will be those designated to be kept apart for TV purposes? Probably Arsenal and one of Spurs or Man City (should they qualify). What's never been clear is whether Sky know the situation when they are making their picks.
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Old 26-07-2016, 09:55
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The TV pairings were only ever useful so ITV could show either Liverpool or Man U every Tuesday.

Now BT have the lot does it matter to them ??
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Old 26-07-2016, 09:56
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I would think Arsenal and Man City are the bigger tv clubs but difficult to predict
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Old 26-07-2016, 10:56
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The TV pairings were only ever useful so ITV could show either Liverpool or Man U every Tuesday.

Now BT have the lot does it matter to them ??
I think they'd prefer the two highest rating clubs to be kept apart so that the audience is spread over two nights instead of being split.
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Old 26-07-2016, 11:09
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Wouldnt it be great if the PL said which games were from which package

Wouldnt it be great for clubs to be forced to tell us the undisclosed transfer fee

I am off to Cloud Cuckoo land !!!
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Old 27-07-2016, 11:51
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Sky and Twitter have agreed a deal to show highlights on its social media platform.
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Old 27-07-2016, 13:41
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Interesting that the 3pm games are included in the highlights- surely the Premier League will follow the NFL's lead and show live 3pm games through social media eventually.
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Old 27-07-2016, 13:56
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Interesting that the 3pm games are included in the highlights- surely the Premier League will follow the NFL's lead and show live 3pm games through social media eventually.
Presumably not whilst the 3pm broadcast blackout is in place though.
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