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2016-17 Premier League TV Fixtures Thread
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sat-ire
07-08-2016
Originally Posted by irishfeen:
“Of course sky had the option to bid for them too... the limit in games in Ireland is not right in the first place!”


Sky were probably not interested in the Irish 3pms as long as they stayed with an Irish broadcaster selling an independent subscription. Once BT aligned with Setanta it changed the market,

With regard to quotas you got in after my edit.

The season before last the Setanta Pack in Ireland, without quotas, could have shown Manchester United 16 times (they played at 3pm nine times added to BT Sports' 7 showings).

Liverpool were a similar number.

With Sky limited to a maximum of 21 times you can see exactly why quotas were introduced when you compare the sums paid by each broadcaster.

If BT had sold their packages independently in Ireland no quotas would ever have been introduced.
TLG86
07-08-2016
Originally Posted by sat-ire:
“However, I wouldn't rule out the possibility that it might be zero when the difficulties of the Package are taken into account. In addition, Setanta went to the wire with Hull's only appearance the season before last which seemed to be chance-taking.”

Bit of a long shot, but can you remember if Setanta entered the final four weeks needing to show any other teams for the first time? If it was just Hull, then I think Setanta would have known they'd get one of Hull v Burnley or Spurs v Hull. My guess would be a min quota of 1 like the other packages.
Ryan_Kerr1
07-08-2016
Originally Posted by TLG86:
“Obviously this comes with a big health warning but I think it is likely that Sky will pass first pick and BT will take it to get Spurs v Man City. As Sky picked just one of Arsenal's first six games I would have thought it a certainty that they'll take Burnley v Arsenal. It could be Saturday 12:30 but given that there isn't Champions League the following week I'd have thought that it would most likely be on the Sunday. I'm hoping for 13:30 but it could easily be 16:00 in Package G.”

I was looking at it and was thinking it would be 13:30 with Spurs City afterwards. But the 4pm game would even better
sat-ire
07-08-2016
Originally Posted by TLG86:
“Bit of a long shot, but can you remember if Setanta entered the final four weeks needing to show any other teams for the first time? If it was just Hull, then I think Setanta would have known they'd get one of Hull v Burnley or Spurs v Hull. My guess would be a min quota of 1 like the other packages.”

Yes they needed Hull and got them on the third last weekend.

Hull were involved in a relegation scrap that season so, in the couple of months leading into those final games Setanta could not be sure that they wouldn't have been moved for UK TV in each of the final weeks.
It would only have been obvious that there was still an available 3pm, as you say, when the final month's picks were made.

By leaving Hull so late, and not using them earlier, they risked losing a more attractive game for Irish viewers. It's also worth mentioning that they decided against Hull's game v Manchester United earlier in the season, although they did take Liverpool that week.

They took a chance - if we agree the quota is a minimum of one - and maybe lucky.
Gray77
07-08-2016
Originally Posted by Ryan_Kerr1:
“I was looking at it and was thinking it would be 13:30 with Spurs City afterwards. But the 4pm game would even better”

Almost impossible that Spurs v City will be 4pm Sunday. Sky will pass the first pick to BT for that round, which will be Spurs v City. BT will either accept, leaving it at 530pm Sat, or they'll decline, thus handing it back to Sky who would pick it at 1230pm Sat.

If BT take it, then I reckon Sky will see Burnley v Arsenal as one of the 3 games they'd want to show that weekend, along with Hull v Chelsea and maybe Swansea v Liverpool. But as has been already mentioned, with it not being a pre-CL weekend you could end up with Arsenal being on MNF or either Sunday slot, or even 1230 Saturday. It's impossible to say, we are all just guessing and making educated predictions.

That weekend's TV games should be announced in the next few days anyway, so better to wait and know for sure rather than listening to all of us!
ftakeith
07-08-2016
[quote=RobSmithS;83307648]"Sky to launch free broadband offer for sports customers" full article here (free until midnight)

http://www.sportbusiness.com/sport-n...orts-customers

At the moment, this does not apply to Sky Broadband customers in Ireland.
sat-ire
07-08-2016
Originally Posted by ftakeith:
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At the moment, this does not apply to Sky Broadband customers in Ireland.”

Irrelevant to this thread
TLG86
07-08-2016
Burnley v Arsenal cannot be Monday night as internationals follow Week 7.

If BT did pass first pick back to Sky then they could get Spurs v Man City in Package D by taking first pick in A, second pick in C, third pick in E and fourth pick in D. But it's unlikely, they might put it in the Sunday 13:30 slot and give third pick to BT.

When these picks are revealed I've got a feeling there will be a shock, there usually is.
Ryan_Kerr1
07-08-2016
Originally Posted by Gray77:
“Almost impossible that Spurs v City will be 4pm Sunday. Sky will pass the first pick to BT for that round, which will be Spurs v City. BT will either accept, leaving it at 530pm Sat, or they'll decline, thus handing it back to Sky who would pick it at 1230pm Sat.

If BT take it, then I reckon Sky will see Burnley v Arsenal as one of the 3 games they'd want to show that weekend, along with Hull v Chelsea and maybe Swansea v Liverpool. But as has been already mentioned, with it not being a pre-CL weekend you could end up with Arsenal being on MNF or either Sunday slot, or even 1230 Saturday. It's impossible to say, we are all just guessing and making educated predictions.

That weekend's TV games should be announced in the next few days anyway, so better to wait and know for sure rather than listening to all of us! ”

Always do as Ryanair are robbing bastards for changing flights lol
irishfeen
07-08-2016
Amazing to think that the PL has yet to find an Irish broadcaster to provide the highlights package - one week out and it looks like RTÉ, TV3, TG4 and Eirsport are not interested!
sat-ire
07-08-2016
Originally Posted by irishfeen:
“Amazing to think that the PL has yet to find an Irish broadcaster to provide the highlights package - one week out and it looks like RTÉ, TV3, TG4 and Eirsport are not interested!”

It went right to the wire last time.

I guess, when up against the offerings on the BBC and Sky, Irish broadcasters probably don't think the expense is justified. I'm guessing hard bargaining got Setanta a very cheap deal last time round.
irishfeen
07-08-2016
Originally Posted by sat-ire:
“It went right to the wire last time.

I guess, when up against the offerings on the BBC and Sky, Irish broadcasters probably don't think the expense is justified. I'm guessing hard bargaining got Setanta a very cheap deal last time round.”

Well Eirsport are probably upset over sky getting the 3pm games, RTÉ can't justify taking money away from other areas, TG4 may not have the budget and TV3 are TV3!

Whoever ultimately gets it will probably be getting it for peanuts!
Belligerence
08-08-2016
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/...-as-ofcom-dro/

Looks like TV games may increase to 190 for the next deal. With job losses and cuts, I can't for the life of me see Sky bidding as much as they have on the current deal.

The secondary packages may look appealing to BBC and ITV.
promo-only
08-08-2016
Originally Posted by Belligerence:
“http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/...-as-ofcom-dro/

Looks like TV games may increase to 190 for the next deal. With job losses and cuts, I can't for the life of me see Sky bidding as much as they have on the current deal.

The secondary packages may look appealing to BBC and ITV.”

I always find that articles quoting "the source" should be taken with a pinch of salt.

Raising the available matches to 190 would actually de-value the rights IMO. There's only so much quality available before you have to resort to showing meaningless matches between the lower teams. The wouldn't allow the big teams to be shown too much in the interests of fairness so we'd no doubt be looking at more weekends with bottom half of the table clashes. Hardly worth the additional sums for the broadcasters.

Once they get beyond the main packages, who is going to want to splash the cash on primarily 5th or even 6th pick matches?
Brett
08-08-2016
It won't happen but I always thought it would be good for a 5th and 6the package to be only aviadable to terrestrial.

Can't see sky and Bt accepting that though.
samburrows
08-08-2016
Originally Posted by sat-ire:
“It went right to the wire last time.

I guess, when up against the offerings on the BBC and Sky, Irish broadcasters probably don't think the expense is justified. I'm guessing hard bargaining got Setanta a very cheap deal last time round.”

Doesn't the Irish broadcaster get to show their programme much earlier though? I'm sure when I was working over there the Setanta MOTD style show started at 8.15pm / 8.30pm on the Saturday evening which was great for someone living out of a hotel room!
TLG86
08-08-2016
I don't like the sound of this. What are the options for an additional 22 games?

1. Friday nights
2. Sunday 12:00 made a regular slot moving the other games to 14:15 and 16:30
3. Saturday 19:45
4. Sunday 18:00/19:45
5. All fixtures on last two weeks of the season live
6. Double midweek fixtures - 18:00 and 20:05
7. Saturday 15:00 blackout removed

There are probably more options, but I've listed them in the order in which I think they are most likely to occur. The problem with Friday (and Monday) nights is the limit on the teams that can play. My concern would be that there could be a further erosion of the notice given to supporters for fixture changes.

I hope this is just paper talk, but it's not so long ago that we were at 138 live games.
Gray77
08-08-2016
An extra 22 games could potentially be about taking the Friday night quota up to a potential 32 or thereabouts. I worry about what that would do to sports like Rugby League, but I can imagine the PL like the thought of a game nearly every Friday night for the ratings it would get, and I'm sure many pub landlords would love it too. The fans will get shafted even more of course, but I think we've long passed that threshold!

Somebody mentioned who would bid for an extra 22 games, and its a good question. Sky IMO would take a full Friday night package at the expense of the Sat 1230 package, so for them it could be a strategy of moving priorities around. BT would love it, but I don't see the package as a "First Pick" package per se, so I think they'd rather have what they have now.

ITV, Five etc are always mooted whenever stuff like this comes up, but it would still be very expensive for them to win a package of games, even if was an existing weekend package that Sky decided they could live without in order to land Fri nights (hypothetically).
brundlebud
08-08-2016
Originally Posted by irishfeen:
“...the limit in games in Ireland is not right in the first place!”

On what basis is it "not right"?

If the Premier League want to spread the games shown across their member clubs then it seems like a perfectly valid way of doing so.
brundlebud
08-08-2016
Originally Posted by Gray77:
“Almost impossible that Spurs v City will be 4pm Sunday. Sky will pass the first pick to BT for that round, which will be Spurs v City. BT will either accept, leaving it at 530pm Sat, or they'll decline, thus handing it back to Sky who would pick it at 1230pm Sat.
”

Bear in mind though that even if the 1st pick is handed back to Sky (or even if they take first pick) they don't need to select TOT-MCY with their first pick if they are also taking second (and even third picks) in that round.
BenFranklin
08-08-2016
MEDIA watchdog Ofcom is to drop its two-year investigation of the Premier League’s multi-billion-pound TV rights auction.

Ofcom is to abandon work on a complaint from Virgin Media, saying it does not have the capacity to assess either way whether the way the Premier League sells rights is harming consumers, The Telegraph reported.

The decision means England’s top clubs can maintain the live coverage of matches in the traditional 3pm Saturday slot.

It is expected that as part of the announcement the Premier League will increase the number of matches available for live broadcast in the next auction to 190, up from 168.

A source for the Telegraph said regulators and the Premier League have also agreed changes to the structure of the sale that are designed to boost competition among broadcasters. It is believed the changes will boost the number of matches allocated to the minority rights holder, currently BT.
BenFranklin
08-08-2016
Originally Posted by Belligerence:
“http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/...-as-ofcom-dro/

Looks like TV games may increase to 190 for the next deal. With job losses and cuts, I can't for the life of me see Sky bidding as much as they have on the current deal.

The secondary packages may look appealing to BBC and ITV.”

People say this every time and Sky keep bidding more.

And there is zero chance of BBC or ITV getting live games.
Gray77
08-08-2016
Originally Posted by brundlebud:
“Bear in mind though that even if the 1st pick is handed back to Sky (or even if they take first pick) they don't need to select TOT-MCY with their first pick if they are also taking second (and even third picks) in that round.”

Yes, fair enough.
sat-ire
08-08-2016
Originally Posted by samburrows:
“Doesn't the Irish broadcaster get to show their programme much earlier though? I'm sure when I was working over there the Setanta MOTD style show started at 8.15pm / 8.30pm on the Saturday evening which was great for someone living out of a hotel room!”

Yes, they can broadcast earlier.

However, when you consider that is up against the prime-time Saturday schedule, and that the highlights are available FTA on the BBC later on, then I'm not sure how many extra viewers it gets on he basis of the time.
Don't forget that Irish viewers will already have had access to one of the 3pm games live (although not necessarily the top one) in addition to the two live UK TV games.

Neither RTÉ / TV3 would want to run it at that time on a Saturday evening and running it later puts it up against the BBC.

A pay TV company taking the rights certainly wouldn't attract any extra subscribers from people living out of hotel rooms
Judio
08-08-2016
EFL tv changes are announced on Weds

They normally are AFTER PL changes
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