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Neither RTÉ / TV3 would want to run it at that time on a Saturday evening and running it later puts it up against the BBC.
A pay TV company taking the rights certainly wouldn't attract any extra subscribers from people living out of hotel rooms ![]() |
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If the Telegraph story is correct, I think the PL will be pretty happy.
They will have seen off the threat of much more serious intervention in return for making pretty minor concessions. Going from 168 to 190 games isn't going to make a huge difference. In the last 2 auctions they've gone from 138 to 154 and then from 154 to 168 - so the increase would only be a little more than before. The big thing is they protect the Sat 3pm window and the overall feel of the fixture list won't change dramatically. I'd expect most of the increase to go on Fri night - but not all as they probably won't want a Fri night game every week. So maybe 12 more on Fri night (taking Fri to 22) and 10 more at Sun 12 noon - ie having 10 "planned" Sun trebleheaders - ie not just when games get moved there from other slots due to the EL. I don't think they'll dilute quality too much - the max quota only rose from 28 to 29 in the last auction and I think they would probably take it to 31 - only 30 would dilute too much. |
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The Telegraph report doesn’t give details but one other aspect is the reported reduction in the maximum number of games any one broadcaster could win.
This is currently 126 out of 168 – which is 75%. We’ll have to see what happens but if that percentage is reduced it could have an impact on Sky’s attitude to the CL. If the reduction is only small (say to 72% or even 70%) then I don’t think it would make much difference. But if say it went down to 60% then that would make Sky much more likely to want to regain some CL – as the scale of their PL dominance would be guaranteed to fall. ie there is a very big difference between: 75% PL vs 25% PL + CL and: 60% PL vs 40% PL + CL Obviously we need to see the precise detail on this. However my previous expectation had been that Sky wouldn’t regain any CL rights – as the loss hasn’t really damaged them and the cost would not be justified (though they will obviously bid to make sure BT pay full price). However a significant change in the PL auction rules could make a difference. |
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The Ofcom release http://media.ofcom.org.uk/news/2016/...otball-rights/ says that "at least 42 matches per season will be reserved for a second buyer" which says to me that Sky (or anyone else for that matter) could get 77.9% of the games.
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As usual there appears to be a bit of confusion - journalists not close enough to what is going on.
Both Media Guardian and Sport Business are reporting: - 190 live TV games - 42 games minimum for second buyer (of which 30 must be at weekend) But for 2016/19, 42 out of 168 were reserved for second buyer. So if reports are right, proportion reserved for second buyer would actually fall. Let's wait and see - someone has got it wrong somewhere. http://www.sportbusiness.com/sport-n...-investigation https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...miership-price |
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I think Sky have got away with it slightly as regards the CL. United went out early last year, and Liverpool didn't qualify. This year neither of them is in it and Liverpool aren't even in Europe. Those two clubs are the ones that almost guarantee big numbers for big European ties, as evidenced by Liverpool EL games out-rating Man City CL games on BT.
Sky will have been annoyed that BT had the big Liverpool EL games, but the EL has never really been on Sky's radar. In terms of CL, I think the overall level of general excitement for the competition waned last season with it not being on ITV and to a lesser extent Sky. BT did a good job with it IMO (and UEFA may well be happy with it) but the CL didn't feel like must-see TV alot of the times last season. I have BT and I watched maybe 6 games live, and none of them were group games. So, in a way ITV and Sky losing the CL has not hurt them massively, because they were arguably what had actually made the tournament a big TV competition for the masses in the first place. Once they lost it the comp decreased in value and relevance to the masses. It must irk Sky to talk about teams fighting for a CL place when they know they cannot then show the end result, but the PL is so much bigger than the CL in the public's mind that having the bulk of the PL outstrips it. As mlt says though, if their share of PL games is set to go down in future that may change the conversation. But if they retain the bulk of first and second pick games, and retain the marquee slots (Sunday 4pm and Friday night which I think will become huge) they'll be happy. Put it this way. If you offered BT a trade right now of their PL/CL packages vs Sky's PL package, would they take it? I think they would, without question. |
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I was really hoping you were going to rubbish this report mlt11
![]() The report made reference to impact the auction has on the price paid by customers. However, it sounds as though the auction will be rigged in a way that will give prizes to everyone (broadcasters) so that no one feels left out. If we end up with three (or more!) broadcasters with PL rights it could quite possibly kill the goose that lays the golden eggs. EDIT: just seen your latest post. That sounds like OFCOM want to dilute the secondary rights holder which will please the Sky fan boys on here (so long as Sky maintain their position )
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As usual there appears to be a bit of confusion - journalists not close enough to what is going on.
Both Media Guardian and Sport Business are reporting: - 190 live TV games - 42 games minimum for second buyer (of which 30 must be at weekend) But for 2016/19, 42 out of 168 were reserved for second buyer. So if reports are right, proportion reserved for second buyer would actually fall. Let's wait and see - someone has got it wrong somewhere. http://www.sportbusiness.com/sport-n...-investigation https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...miership-price |
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The Ofcom release http://media.ofcom.org.uk/news/2016/...otball-rights/ says that "at least 42 matches per season will be reserved for a second buyer" which says to me that Sky (or anyone else for that matter) could get 77.9% of the games.
- Number of games reserved for 2nd buyer is unchanged - Proportion of games reserved for 2nd buyer falls The minimum "30 weekend games" suggests the large packages will rise from 28 to 30 games. There must also be a 12 (to give the 42 option) so maybe something like: 5 @ 30 = 150 2 @ 14 = 28 1 @ 12 = 12 Total = 190 But we'll have to see. |
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So let me get this straight, the result of OFCOM sniffing about the PL auction process is to precipitate an increase in games moved for TV? Fantastic, well played OFCOM.
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Put it this way. If you offered BT a trade right now of their PL/CL packages vs Sky's PL package, would they take it? I think they would, without question.
PL: Sky - £1,392m BT - £320m CL: BT - £299m So Sky is spending significantly more than double than BT in total. People can argue that Sky is overpaying (and remember people previously argued BT was overpaying on CL) but Sky's rights are undoubtedly worth far, far more. |
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People say this every time and Sky keep bidding more..
Sky will undoubtedly bid again for CL rights later this year, so a positive decision by UEFA may influence their strategy for the next PL auction. Part of the reason I doubt it'll get any higher is BT seem to be content with the packages they've got. Of course they wouldn't say no to nabbing either C/D but it's not the be all, end all to their football portfolio. The problem for them and Sky is if interest comes from a third party. |
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Sky's increased bid last time around was more a direct consequence of losing out on CL rights. The fact that they lost out to BT must have sent Scudamore into raptures.
Sky will undoubtedly bid again for CL rights later this year, so a positive decision by UEFA may influence their strategy for the next PL auction. Part of the reason I doubt it'll get any higher is BT seem to be content with the packages they've got. Of course they wouldn't say no to nabbing either C/D but it's not the be all, end all to their football portfolio. The problem for them and Sky is if interest comes from a third party. |
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The thing is to look at the P&L accounts.
In its first year of CL rights, BT's (Consumer) profits have only fallen very, very marginally - and they can now look forward to two year's growth with those CL costs now flat. Sky has already said that it will largely be able to absorb its increased PL costs this year. Whilst I still expect Sky's (UK) profits to fall somewhat this year they will then start increasing again during years 2 and 3 of the PL contract and I would fully expect their (UK) profits to be higher in 18/19 than 15/16 (assuming they don't get the CL back). I think what it boils down to is if they can both grow profits at this level of rights costs then they aren't going to see the need to take any significant risks in the next auctions. That said, I don't see big increases next time. If I had to bet on it I would say the status quo (ie BT retain CL; PL remains Sky primary, BT secondary) with an increase of about 20% to 25% in rights fees paid in both cases. It's true that an additional plus for Sky in getting back the CL would be reducing the pressure on Sky in the PL auction - and thus maybe allowing them to bid a bit less. But the PL remains the number 1 by miles - and if BT loses CL they will almost certainly go much more aggressively for the PL so it would probably be self-defeating for Sky. So I think the status quo makes most sense for everyone. |
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In the mean time
Thanks to all this One person who does not even play the game Is supposedly being paid 20 million As a result of Man United wanting one player In the mean time Tickets are extortianate And Sky and BT prices are rising rapidly. |
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I don't like the sound of this. What are the options for an additional 22 games?
1. Friday nights 2. Sunday 12:00 made a regular slot moving the other games to 14:15 and 16:30 3. Saturday 19:45 4. Sunday 18:00/19:45 5. All fixtures on last two weeks of the season live 6. Double midweek fixtures - 18:00 and 20:05 7. Saturday 15:00 blackout removed There are probably more options, but I've listed them in the order in which I think they are most likely to occur. The problem with Friday (and Monday) nights is the limit on the teams that can play. My concern would be that there could be a further erosion of the notice given to supporters for fixture changes. I hope this is just paper talk, but it's not so long ago that we were at 138 live games. I would have thought it would work quite well in London as a Saturday night out experience. And there is definitely a TV weakness on Saturday nights. Perfect for ITV for when they eventually scrap the x factor |
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I wonder if there will ever come a time when Saturday night football is tried. They play football (almost) everywhere around the world (or that countries main sport - AFL in oz for example) on Saturday evenings.
I would have thought it would work quite well in London as a Saturday night out experience. And there is definitely a TV weakness on Saturday nights. Perfect for ITV for when they eventually scrap the x factor From a purely sitting at home perspective, it'd make for a good Saturday nights viewing though. |
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I just think the culture of Saturday nights in towns and cities already sees the emergency services stretched as is... can you imagine 40,000+ people in the city all descending into the centre after a match? I just think Saturday night football would be a nightmare in that regard.
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I just think the culture of Saturday nights in towns and cities already sees the emergency services stretched as is... can you imagine 40,000+ people in the city all descending into the centre after a match? I just think Saturday night football would be a nightmare in that regard.
From a purely sitting at home perspective, it'd make for a good Saturday nights viewing though. |
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I wonder if there will ever come a time when Saturday night football is tried. They play football (almost) everywhere around the world (or that countries main sport - AFL in oz for example) on Saturday evenings.
I would have thought it would work quite well in London as a Saturday night out experience. And there is definitely a TV weakness on Saturday nights. Perfect for ITV for when they eventually scrap the x factor I find the whole premise of scheduling football games in order to give people a Saturday nights experience (and by that I hope you don't mean tourists) horrible. |
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I find the whole premise of scheduling football games in order to give people a Saturday nights experience (and by that I hope you don't mean tourists) horrible. I do understand the away fans angle, but I think they are messed around with the current kick off times as it is, they will still turn up. Plus a Saturday night is far better than a Monday night. |
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Surely they will be released tomorrow
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Regarding fitting in the potential additional 22 games, there are quite a few weekends throughout the season where only 1 game is shown on a Sunday (2 so far this season). It's obviously not going to account for the entire shortfall, but filling in the "traditional" slots might help to reduce the deficit.
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Regarding fitting in the potential additional 22 games, there are quite a few weekends throughout the season where only 1 game is shown on a Sunday (2 so far this season). It's obviously not going to account for the entire shortfall, but filling in the "traditional" slots might help to reduce the deficit.
Though the above excludes additional Sat empty slots created by games moving to Sun due to EL - though it's hard to allow for that in the contracts as there's no way of knowing how many such games there will be and no compulsion on a rights holder to pick such games. |
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Heaven help us if we approach the Spanish model of one match at each potential kick-off time over the weekend.
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