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Yesterday could they have gone with
12pm kick off Southampton v Burnley 2.30 till 4. Red Sunday build up, that would have given them 30 more minutes than tonight 4pm Liverpool v Manchester United Then 8pm tonight Middlesborough v Watford |
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It isnt Skys fault they cant use teams involved in Champions League on a Sunday.
But in my mind if you like Football then you like Football, and will watch anything. I hear it is a big Night in Football Tonight, The FA Cup 1st round Draw. As for your other comment, if you like football you do like football, but there is a limit to what you wish to watch when it doesn't involve your own team or teams that have a direct influence on your teams fortunes. You admit to having almost no interest in European football, despite some of it being really high quality. But you have a limit on what you wish to watch. Middlesbrough v Watford and Southampton v Burnley are obviously of great interest to fans of those teams, and potentially to fans of teams who believe that they may be battling those teams down at the bottom or for a Europa spot, etc. But for most they are games that can be easily missed, especially with Liverpool v United tonight. |
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They can only not show teams if they are involved in the CL on Tuesday. They also made a conscious decision to stick Liverpool v Man United on MNF instead of Super Sunday. This had nothing to do with European football. Sky could easily have had a Super Sunday or Man City v Everton followed by Liverpool v Man United. They didn't even look at the first game and opted for the second game to be MNF. There is a calculated decision to spread games around the different packages.
As for your other comment, if you like football you do like football, but there is a limit to what you wish to watch when it doesn't involve your own team or teams that have a direct influence on your teams fortunes. You admit to having almost no interest in European football, despite some of it being really high quality. But you have a limit on what you wish to watch. Middlesbrough v Watford and Southampton v Burnley are obviously of great interest to fans of those teams, and potentially to fans of teams who believe that they may be battling those teams down at the bottom or for a Europa spot, etc. But for most they are games that can be easily missed, especially with Liverpool v United tonight. And with Liverpool v Man U tonight, all the build up, has turned me off watching it, than wanting to watch it. |
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Sky could have picked Man City v Everton. They couldn't pick both Man City v Everton and Chelsea v Leicester. Perhaps they should have left out the Chelsea game, but they thought it was a better pick than Man City v Everton.
Furthermore, Sky has to fill min quotas and Middlesbrough v Watford did that in Package A and Southampton v Burnley did it in Package D. By doing so early in the season they are setting themselves up for a strong middle and end of the season. |
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I have a Question.
Why dont they just give Sky/BT say there time slots. And tell them there minimum and maximum Quotas. And just let them slot the games in as they want. You wouldnt get every Man U fixture shown, and none of the other clubs as they would still have Quotas. It would save Sky or BT, having to think about what package they have to fill etc |
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Is there anything in the media's claims that ratings are down by 19%, or are they misrepresenting the stats?
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Jazzydrury3 - To a certain extent that is what happens. The packages have quotas as that is what the broadcasters bid for. Furthermore, in theory it stops Sky continuously putting the big clubs in the Sunday 13:30/16:00 slots.
If the PL wanted to be really strict with Sky, they could say "pick games that definitely won't have to move." So Sky would have to have used Package A to get a Champions League team. However, the PL are generally quite accommodating and Sky were allowed to pick Chelsea v Leicester in Package C and swap it with Middlesbrough v Watford when Leicester were scheduled to play Tuesday night. |
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Is there anything in the media's claims that ratings are down by 19%, or are they misrepresenting the stats?
But why would that that bother Sky, It doesnt mean they have lost 19% of customers, those customers are still there, just watching other stuff |
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Jazzydrury3 - To a certain extent that is what happens. The packages have quotas as that is what the broadcasters bid for. Furthermore, in theory it stops Sky continuously putting the big clubs in the Sunday 13:30/16:00 slots.
If the PL wanted to be really strict with Sky, they could say "pick games that definitely won't have to move." So Sky would have to have used Package A to get a Champions League team. However, the PL are generally quite accommodating and Sky were allowed to pick Chelsea v Leicester in Package C and swap it with Middlesbrough v Watford when Leicester were scheduled to play Tuesday night. |
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Is there anything in the media's claims that ratings are down by 19%, or are they misrepresenting the stats?
Here are last season's unadjusted figures: 2015-16 And here are the figures for the first seven weeks of this season: 2016-17 Last season Sky averaged 1,019,000 per programme. So far this year they have averaged 779,000 per programme. A fall of 24%. Adjusting for the changes in programme length might give a figure of 19%. But I'd advice caution in jumping to conclusions. Sky will likely get a boost from the Christmas fixtures and I reckon they're setting themselves up for a strong second half of the season. |
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That's not the problem. The problem is that the picks are made before we know what night the Champions League teams are playing on.
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I have a Question.
Why dont they just give Sky/BT say there time slots. And tell them there minimum and maximum Quotas. And just let them slot the games in as they want. You wouldnt get every Man U fixture shown, and none of the other clubs as they would still have Quotas. It would save Sky or BT, having to think about what package they have to fill etc We seem to forget about the very important overseas markets America hates 1230 games Asia hates 1730 games Dubai hates 2000 games So by forcing the UK TV into quotas on each kick off time The overseas markets are kept happy as well |
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Half the interviews on Friday Night Football, and Premier League Live, can be found on there websites earlier in the day.
I guess the stop start nature er get early in the season doesn't help, at least after the next international break, we have a solid period |
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Looking at the quotes from La Liga bosses about El Classico Ko time
We seem to forget about the very important overseas markets America hates 1230 games Asia hates 1730 games Dubai hates 2000 games So by forcing the UK TV into quotas on each kick off time The overseas markets are kept happy as well |
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Have you got a source for that?
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Thanks - blaming the Olympics is a bit of a stretch and blaming illegal streaming is basically saying our product is too expensive.
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Just looking at the comparison with last year, the Sunday 4pm has been a bit weaker than it was last season which won't be helping.
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Are those rating for the full programme. As dont some viewers, tend to watch the game itself.
I hardly watch any post match, If I watch a Saturday Lunchtime game I head over to Soccer Saturday at the end of the final whistle, Super Sunday, I normally head over to 606, surely others must as well |
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Yes, they are programme averages, so a longer programme before and/or after the match itself will suppress the figures. And they've got big games to come such as tonight. But it does feel like Sky's ratings have fallen this season.
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The Start/Stop nature we get early in the season cant help, as we get a few weeks, then an international break
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That's true. In the first seven weeks of last season, Sky averaged 941,000 per game. These included Man City v Chelsea, Arsenal v Liverpool and Man Utd v Liverpool. And, of course, with Sky having extra picks without an increase in the max quota, their overall average is likely to take a hit.
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Probably also worth pointing out that BT have seen their viewing figures go up this season compared to last.
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Proving that 1230 Sat ko are not good for viewing figures
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Proving that 1230 Sat ko are not good for viewing figures
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Looking at the quotes from La Liga bosses about El Classico Ko time
We seem to forget about the very important overseas markets America hates 1230 games Asia hates 1730 games Dubai hates 2000 games So by forcing the UK TV into quotas on each kick off time The overseas markets are kept happy as well The UK is 'forced into quotas' to ensure there's no bias to the bigger teams. |
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