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Old 05-06-2016, 22:22
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Thanks to TheSubaru2012 for the 2016-17 calendar. I think midweek rounds will be played before Christmas (Tues/Wed/Thur 20/21/22 Dec) and following the Fourth Round of the FA Cup (Tues/Wed 31 Jan/1 Feb).

In recent seasons, the midweek that follows the League Cup Final (Tues/Wed 28 Feb/1 Mar) has had the final midweek round. This season, however, there is a vacant midweek in early April (Tues/Wed 4/5). I wonder, therefore, if they'll leave the midweek after the League Cup Final vacant for FA Cup Fifth Round Replays? This would be quite good for BT as the final midweek would be Round 31 rather than Round 27.

This works out well this season with the later finish. There might still be issues with Fifth Round Replays in seasons needing an earlier finish for a summer tournament.
There are some rumoured leaks of fixtures on Twitter - I am not going to post these as I know they are most likely to be fake as usual.

But for those interested - it states a midweek game on the 20th/21st Dec, 31st Jan/1st Feb and 4th/5th April - the latter midweek featuring does make me think that it may have a hint of legitimacy as its not a normal midweek date - but let's wait and see.

Edit - changed my mind - doc is here https://www.docdroid.net/file/download/syClcJY/premier-league-fixture-list-2016-17.pdf

Am sure someone here can work out if it is genuine by looking at the details.
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Old 05-06-2016, 22:38
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Someone has gone to a lot of trouble to come up with that list!

Something that makes me think it might be kosher is that Week 2 contains a fixture between two already qualified Champions League teams. On the other hand, the list appears to have "local" games on December 31 rather than January 2.
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Old 05-06-2016, 23:11
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that list has both Merseyside derbies and both Chelsea vs Arsenal games in midweek rounds, doubt very much that will happen
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Old 06-06-2016, 00:17
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I'm always very wary of leaks because generally they are completely false. But I don't think we've ever seen the full season crop up before - usually it's just the opening round or two. To fake the whole season is a lot of work given the various rules in place regarding sequences of home/away games and the need for local matches on BHs.

Having said that, I still tend to think it's a fake. First of all, this is made to look like an official PL document - would something as significant as the official fixture list really come with as little preamble as this? (All there is is a brief small print on the embargo).

Also, there are still nine days until the release date. I've always assumed that the fixture list is not finalised until pretty close to that date, since there is a lot of back and forth between the PL, the clubs, the police etc. to be done. Then again, the process surely starts long before the previous season finishes so maybe it is plausible.

A final note is with regards to the dates of the midweek rounds. Generally most of the games are scheduled for the Tuesday, but even at the initial release there are usually one or two set for the Wednesday. In this example all the games are listed under the same day, and for the Feb midweek they're all under the Wednesday. That goes against the standard.

So there we go, I'm already going way too deep in analysing things! I'm hoping to have a look at simulating a season (much like TLG86 has) this week, and may just use this 'leak' - it's a reasonable list, and you never know - it might yet turn out to be genuine.

And by the way, great work on the audience figures TLG86 - there's a lot of great work has gone into that.
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Old 06-06-2016, 00:51
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that list has both Merseyside derbies and both Chelsea vs Arsenal games in midweek rounds, doubt very much that will happen
If correct, that would be a very good set of midweek games for BT - though I note those rounds also have Man C v Leicester which therefore wouldn't be televised.

The other midweek also has Everton v Man Utd.

On the other side of the coin, Man U/Man C and Ars/Tot are on the same weekend - which would gift Sky the Ars/Tot games without using a 1st pick.
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Old 06-06-2016, 01:07
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Not definitive but front page of document looks amateurish if you look carefully:

Says "June 15th 2016" in middle of the page, then in sentence at bottom it says "Wednesday 15th June 2016". Not consistent.

Paragraph at bottom: says "Premier League members" and then Premier League Members" in next line. Also "Football Season" midsentence should not have capitals.

OK, very trivial points maybe, but highly professional organisation wouldn't normally draft a document like that.
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Old 06-06-2016, 01:22
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I'm always very wary of leaks because generally they are completely false. But I don't think we've ever seen the full season crop up before - usually it's just the opening round or two. To fake the whole season is a lot of work given the various rules in place regarding sequences of home/away games and the need for local matches on BHs.

Having said that, I still tend to think it's a fake. First of all, this is made to look like an official PL document - would something as significant as the official fixture list really come with as little preamble as this? (All there is is a brief small print on the embargo).

Also, there are still nine days until the release date. I've always assumed that the fixture list is not finalised until pretty close to that date, since there is a lot of back and forth between the PL, the clubs, the police etc. to be done. Then again, the process surely starts long before the previous season finishes so maybe it is plausible.

A final note is with regards to the dates of the midweek rounds. Generally most of the games are scheduled for the Tuesday, but even at the initial release there are usually one or two set for the Wednesday. In this example all the games are listed under the same day, and for the Feb midweek they're all under the Wednesday. That goes against the standard.

So there we go, I'm already going way too deep in analysing things! I'm hoping to have a look at simulating a season (much like TLG86 has) this week, and may just use this 'leak' - it's a reasonable list, and you never know - it might yet turn out to be genuine.

And by the way, great work on the audience figures TLG86 - there's a lot of great work has gone into that.
Lot of drafting as you say goes on. Arsenal's December looks grim.....

If it is indeed kosher (not difficult to generate fixture lists with a database software and then put it on Word), then I would think the first GW picks are a no brainer: United against newly-promoted side (would be a good way to launch FNF?), Leicester on Super Sunday.

Not definitive but front page of document looks amateurish if you look carefully:

Says "June 15th 2016" in middle of the page, then in sentence at bottom it says "Wednesday 15th June 2016". Not consistent.

Paragraph at bottom: says "Premier League members" and then Premier League Members" in next line. Also "Football Season" midsentence should not have capitals.

OK, very trivial points maybe, but highly professional organisation wouldn't normally draft a document like that.
Nor would the PL use the American MM-DD-YYYY format.
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Old 06-06-2016, 02:49
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The two blocks of B6 games for Tottenham made me think "fake" straight away. Just wouldn't happen, and apparently Tottenham's final two games of the season are away because of construction work on the new stadium..
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Old 06-06-2016, 08:13
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I think this list is fake for all the reasons described by mlt11 and Igloo_Man. I seriously doubt the PL have got the pre-release ready to go this far out. It would be more plausible if it was just a list of fixtures in a technical format (no doubt it will now prove to be real!).

spursboy68 - is that right about Spurs wanting to play their last two games away from home? If true that would surely mean that Arsenal would be at home for their last two games of the season. It would also suggest that the time frame for the rebuilt WHL is very tight.
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Old 06-06-2016, 09:25
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Another proof that it is fake

Over Christmas the Football Authorities always gives one team
EITHER Boxing Day
OR New Years Day
at Home

NEVER both
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Old 06-06-2016, 09:29
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I also thought that all the TV companies were happy with last seasons new protocol
of having a big six game almost every week but NEVER 2 in the same week
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Old 06-06-2016, 09:32
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There is no Copyright on the document either
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Old 06-06-2016, 09:52
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The Boxing Day - New Year's Day "mistake" is the sort of thing that makes think it could actually be real. I remember a friend of mine being annoyed at Arsenal not having a home game in the Christmas holiday of 2006-2007. Having played away at Watford on Boxing Day and away at Sheffield United on 30 December, Arsenal's home game with Charlton was moved to Tuesday 2 January. So I actually think it would be better for fans if they had a home game on either Boxing Day or New Year's Eve.

Having said that, I'd have thought Sky would look to show the big teams on the bank holiday when they are away - so they wouldn't be too happy to have two Man Utd home games to choose from. And all the points about the document looking amateurish are valid too.
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Old 06-06-2016, 10:38
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(all figures in 1,000s)

Sky programme/match (year on year change)

13-14: 1,200 / 1,449
14-15: 1,021 / 1,274 (-14.9% / -12.1%)
15-16: 1,019 / 1,244 (-0.2% / -2.4%)
Is the bit in bold a typo? Think it should be 0.24%, no?
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Old 06-06-2016, 10:42
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I have heard the Arsenal have requested their first game of the season to be away from home, due to a complete re-build of their home pitch which runs the risk of not being 100% ready for the first game of the season.

(The 'leaked' list does have Arsenal away from home vs Watford on MD1...)
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Old 06-06-2016, 10:50
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Is the bit in bold a typo? Think it should be 0.24%, no?
I think (1244-1274)/1274 = -2.4%

I have heard the Arsenal have requested their first game of the season to be away from home, due to a complete re-build of their home pitch which runs the risk of not being 100% ready for the first game of the season.

(The 'leaked' list does have Arsenal away from home vs Watford on MD1...)
Really? I find it hard to believe that Arsenal can't manage it in 2.5 months.
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Old 06-06-2016, 10:52
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My team (Dundee) are completely redoing their pitch and it will be ready by mid-July when the Scottish League Cup starts.

If they can manage it in 8 weeks, surely Arsenal can manage it in 12 or so (assuming they started as soon as the season ended)?
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Old 06-06-2016, 11:03
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I think (1244-1274)/1274 = -2.4%



Really? I find it hard to believe that Arsenal can't manage it in 2.5 months.
I am obviously not familiar with the details of the exact construction, but it is not just a relay of the pitch - the whole thing, including plumbing, under soil heating and underlay are being replaced (as well as the pitch).

It was significant enough a build that Arsenal have cancelled the Emirates cup tournament this year - so it's likely to have been a tight deadline and they may have wanted some extra breathing room.
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Old 06-06-2016, 11:12
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Premier League Official Statement: "We understand the excitement that a new set of Premier League fixtures holds to the fans and media.
What has been put into the public domain over this last weekend is a hoax.
We would encourage all fans and media to wait for the official release on 15 June.
"
Hate to be the killer of forum debate
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Old 06-06-2016, 11:15
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I have heard the Arsenal have requested their first game of the season to be away from home, due to a complete re-build of their home pitch which runs the risk of not being 100% ready for the first game of the season.

(The 'leaked' list does have Arsenal away from home vs Watford on MD1...)
Liverpool have also asked for the first two games of the season to be away from Anfield due to the Main Stand redevelopment. See the last paragraph here - http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/f...-a6963156.html

While this list has Liverpool at home for MD2 (v Burnley).

On the 19th of November is also has Liverpool at home to Swansea, this is day before Rugby League Four Nations final will be at Anfield (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/36109359) so I don't think a home match would be possible the day before that.
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Old 06-06-2016, 11:21
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Also the hoaxer has put the wrong time for releasing fixtures

It is 09:00 and not 10:00 !!
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Old 06-06-2016, 11:21
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I think (1244-1274)/1274 = -2.4%

Ah, yes. OK. I'm with you now.
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Old 06-06-2016, 11:24
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http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...&postcount=144

While this list has Liverpool at home for MD2 (v Burnley).

On the 19th of November is also has Liverpool at home to Swansea, this is day before Rugby League Four Nations final will be at Anfield (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/36109359) so I don't think a home match would be possible the day before that.
Missed it? Once again, the PL have confirmed the list's status...

https://twitter.com/PLSpokesman?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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Old 06-06-2016, 11:26
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If Liverpool get their wish then I guess they will be allocated a home fixture on MD1 or MD2 and asked to swap with the reverse fixture in second half of season

there will be an issue with Everton also playing at home then
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Old 06-06-2016, 11:42
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I was in the process of writing my post when the post above was made.
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