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Old 01-12-2016, 22:01
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I have to state the fixture congestion is really caused by FIFA having international breaks every single month, in September , October, and November and March. Group these together to have fewer international breaks.
Absolutely spot on.
Id have 3 international windows a year. October, March, June
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Old 01-12-2016, 23:15
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Grouping them together wouldn't actually reduce the time taken out of the league schedule in the slightest. In fact it could even take more game days out.
Just how would it do that?
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Old 01-12-2016, 23:32
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The cause of fixture problems is too many games, full stop. Blaming any particular competition or international games in isolation is just ridiculous. With the change from straight knockout in the Champions League, for example, there was every opportunity to take participants or even the entire Premier League out of the League Cup, for example, or exempt them from the 3rd rd of the FA Cup. Instead the clubs have decided simply to go on piling up games. That's something they now have to live with.
38 Premier League games
Maximum of 9 FA Cup games
Maximum of 6 League Cup games
1 Community Shield game
1 UEFA Super Cup game
2 World Club Championship games
Maximum of 17 Champions League/Europa League games
8 internationals during the season

Total = 82 games per season.

52 weeks in a year.

If you played two games per week, the season would be 41 weeks, leaving an 11 week close season.

It does not seem to me that its simply because there are too many fixtures in total but that they are badly organised.

Barring someone winning the FA Cup, Champions League and getting relegated, it seems to me that actually there is plenty of time in a season to get games completed, but that it is badly organised.
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Old 02-12-2016, 09:38
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The cause of fixture problems is too many games, full stop. Blaming any particular competition or international games in isolation is just ridiculous. With the change from straight knockout in the Champions League, for example, there was every opportunity to take participants or even the entire Premier League out of the League Cup, for example, or exempt them from the 3rd rd of the FA Cup. Instead the clubs have decided simply to go on piling up games. That's something they now have to live with.
Or you could cut back the Champions League to actual, you know, Champions of their Leagues, and run it and the Europa League on a knockout basis. Instead of requiring 6 games to knock out half the games, it only takes two.

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They would still want a break of 5 days before the internationals, which does leave the previous weekend out.
Only need to cut it down to 4 days if everyone plays Saturday.
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Old 02-12-2016, 10:58
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Its going to be chaos in 2021 and 2022 when we have to try and organise a World Cup in mid season
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Old 02-12-2016, 13:03
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The thing they should do is move Hull City v Manchester United to the Thursday.

Whether they do that, or force one team to play Sunday-Tuesday remains to be seen.
EFL have listened to wovesdavid
Now confirmed as he suggested

Week 1
Tues 10th Man United
Weds 11th Liverpool

Week 2
Weds 25th Liverpool
Thurs 26th Man United
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Old 02-12-2016, 13:07
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BBC will not now be able to pick either of their 2 biggest choices for the Fri night FA cup Round 4 match
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Old 02-12-2016, 13:10
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BBC will not now be able to pick either of their 2 biggest choices for the Fri night FA cup Round 4 match
Fridays are not the Beeb's only slot, and they don't have a Friday match in every round. They'll manage.
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Old 02-12-2016, 13:32
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They are going to have severe restrictions in Round 4.

Liverpool v Chelsea on Tue 31st

Man U now the Thursday before
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Old 02-12-2016, 14:49
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They are going to have severe restrictions in Round 4.

Liverpool v Chelsea on Tue 31st

Man U now the Thursday before
The only severe restriction would be if any combination of Man Utd or Hull v Liverpool or Chelsea came out. Otherwise, it should be manageable.
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Old 02-12-2016, 15:08
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Not if as suggested Sky have a Friday night game on Feb 3rd

Then that would mean more sides having to play on Tues 31st

Which means they could not play Sunday in the Cup
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Old 02-12-2016, 15:38
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The only severe restriction would be if any combination of Man Utd or Hull v Liverpool or Chelsea came out. Otherwise, it should be manageable.
Not if as suggested Sky have a Friday night game on Feb 3rd

Then that would mean more sides having to play on Tues 31st

Which means they could not play Sunday in the Cup
They could go Monday night for Week 24 - but I'm not sure Sky would want to have the possibility of shifting a game like Chelsea v Arsenal to Sunday 12:00.

Ultimately it comes down to where does the power lie. In the past games scheduled for the Tuesday following the FA Cup Fourth Round have been moved to the Wednesday to allow a Sunday game. This happened in 2012 when Bolton v Arsenal was moved to the Wednesday to accommodate Arsenal v Aston Villa on the Sunday.

Whether they'd move a game scheduled for TV (like Liverpool v Chelsea) is another matter. Presumably it would require a swap with West Ham v Man City (i.e. they couldn't play on the Sunday in the Cup), or alternatively a game could shift to the Thursday, ruling out the Friday and Saturday of Week 24.

However, if Man Utd or Hull draw a team scheduled to play on the following Tuesday, then the midweek league game will have to move to avoid a team having to play Thursday-Saturday or Sunday-Tuesday.
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Old 02-12-2016, 16:03
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They could make everyones lives easier by drawing out Hull v Man United in Round Four
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Old 02-12-2016, 20:18
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Not if as suggested Sky have a Friday night game on Feb 3rd

Then that would mean more sides having to play on Tues 31st

Which means they could not play Sunday in the Cup
Where has it been suggested that Sky are having a Friday Night Football on Friday 3rd February? (Outside of the post by TLG86 on this thread.)
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Old 02-12-2016, 20:20
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They could make everyones lives easier by drawing out Hull v Man United in Round Four
Hull and Manchester United could make things even easier by getting knocked out in the 3rd round.
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Old 02-12-2016, 21:19
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Where has it been suggested that Sky are having a Friday Night Football on Friday 3rd February? (Outside of the post by TLG86 on this thread.)
It has been suggested by TLG86 as you have spotted
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Old 03-12-2016, 13:12
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Revolutionary I know, but maybe people could stop wetting their knickers about things that might not happen in a competition where the draw hasn't been made for the previous round yet?
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Old 03-12-2016, 21:28
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Here are my predictions for Weeks 24 to 26:

Week 24

Friday 20:00 - Chelsea v Arsenal - E3

Saturday 12:30 - Tottenham v Middlesbrough - A2
Saturday 17:30 - Watford v Burnley - B5

Sunday 13:30 - Hull v Liverpool - C4
Sunday 16:00 - Leicester v Man Utd - D1


Week 25

Saturday 12:30 - Stoke v Crystal Palace - A5
Saturday 17:30 - Liverpool v Tottenham - B1

Sunday 13:30 - Swansea v Leicester - C2
Sunday 16:00 - Burnley v Chelsea - G3

Monday 20:00 - Bournemouth v Man City - E4


Week 26

Saturday 12:30 - Everton v Sunderland - A2
Saturday 17:30 - Crystal Palace v Stoke - B5

Sunday 12:00 - Leicester v Liverpool - D1
Sunday 12:00 - Southampton v Arsenal - E3
Sunday 14:15 - Man City v Man Utd - C4


Notes:

Bournemouth v Man City moves to Sunday 12:00 should Man City be playing that midweek in the Champions League.

As with last season, it wouldn't be a surprise to see Leicester v Liverpool and Southampton v Arsenal scheduled for the same slot given that one of these games will be postponed.
Good effort, I agree mostly. I think it is a coin flip whether Sky pass Chelsea V Arsenal as if BT pick it then they are maxed out on Chelsea and Arsenal, and it would be up against 6 Nations opener featuring England.

If they do, then Sky presumably pick Liverpool V Spurs. It is conceivable that BT pass 4th Feb back to Sky or use first pick on Leicester V Man Utd.

I think there are allowances for packages and times over EFL Cup Final weekend. I suspect that Man Utd V Man City may be scheduled for 12pm, and the other two at 2.15- with strong likelihood of Man Utd being postponed.

I think 2 till 4.30 is too long a gap with no football, though Sky may place a very attractive EFL game at 2pm, with Southampton or Liverpool games at noon
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Old 06-12-2016, 16:07
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I think 2 till 4.30 is too long a gap with no football, though Sky may place a very attractive EFL game at 2pm, with Southampton or Liverpool games at noon
The EFL Cup Final will kick off at 1630
SUBJECT TO POLICE telling them to kick off earlier

In other words if it is Man United v Liverpool it may be a 1415 !!!
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Old 06-12-2016, 18:08
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In other words if it is Man United v Liverpool it may be a 1415 !!!
That's a good point! I'd overlooked that possibility. With that in mind, assuming these are the games picked by Sky, I think they will go with Leicester v Liverpool OR Southampton v Arsenal at 12:00 and Man City v Man Utd at 14:15 rather than the other way round as suggested by loyalsince.
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Old 06-12-2016, 20:36
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The EFL Cup Final will kick off at 1630
SUBJECT TO POLICE telling them to kick off earlier

In other words if it is Man United v Liverpool it may be a 1415 !!!
I find this a bit hard to believe, to be honest. I'm assuming this is just a guess?

Wembley is a bloody big stadium which is easy to segregate and if they can play England vs Scotland there at 7.45 on a Friday night I don't know why they couldn't play Man U vs Liverpool at 4.30. It's supposed to be the national stadium, they host all kinds of events there with plenty of security.

The problem with holding Liverpool vs Man U in the league is that you get Man U fans hanging around Liverpool all day, and vice versa. Not the case here. Also it's a Cup Final with a much bigger attendance and also higher ticket prices, so you won't get idiots hanging around just wanting to cause trouble. You might struggle a bit given that all the trains will arrive at the same station, but that would happen if it was played at 9am. Next to no chance they'll reschedule it.
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Old 06-12-2016, 21:51
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It is not a guess

TheEFL Press release today re February TV games
says 430 subject to Police Intelligence asking for a different time
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Old 06-12-2016, 21:54
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Sky Sports will broadcast exclusive live coverage of the match, which is scheduled to kick-off at 4.30pm, although this time is subject to change based on police intelligence.
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Old 06-12-2016, 22:15
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I find this a bit hard to believe, to be honest. I'm assuming this is just a guess?

Wembley is a bloody big stadium which is easy to segregate and if they can play England vs Scotland there at 7.45 on a Friday night I don't know why they couldn't play Man U vs Liverpool at 4.30. It's supposed to be the national stadium, they host all kinds of events there with plenty of security.

The problem with holding Liverpool vs Man U in the league is that you get Man U fans hanging around Liverpool all day, and vice versa. Not the case here. Also it's a Cup Final with a much bigger attendance and also higher ticket prices, so you won't get idiots hanging around just wanting to cause trouble. You might struggle a bit given that all the trains will arrive at the same station, but that would happen if it was played at 9am. Next to no chance they'll reschedule it.
No in this case, BOTH sets of supporters are hanging around all day (and many from the night before).

I speak from experience...
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Old 06-12-2016, 22:42
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And the majority travelling down from the same direction, using the same motorway service stations etc. This was the main issue when the all-Manchester FA Cup Semi was on a few years back, there was more trouble at meeting points on the journey down than anywhere else.
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