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As we know well, Christmas means that wouldn't necessarily be a restriction.
![]() A 48hr turnaround is only accepted when it's scheduled, the logic being that all teams are in nominallly in the same boat. Of course, TV sometimes matches up "48hr-ers" with "72hr-ers" (cf. Middlesbrough (48) v Leicester (72) today). But that's through extending one team's break, not reducing the other's. I'm not sure there's ever been an instance of a TV pick reducing a team's turnaround to 48hrs. |
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It would, though.
A 48hr turnaround is only accepted when it's scheduled, the logic being that all teams are in nominallly in the same boat. Of course, TV sometimes matches up "48hr-ers" with "72hr-ers" (cf. Middlesbrough (48) v Leicester (72) today). But that's through extending one team's break, not reducing the other's. I'm not sure there's ever been an instance of a TV pick reducing a team's turnaround to 48hrs. I certainly think Southampton should have complained about their schedule. I think they should have been allowed to move their game with West Brom to the Sunday and their game at Everton to the Wednesday night. |
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I thought Leicester played Friday - I was getting them mixed up with Everton (and did type Middlesbrough v Everton before correcting it!).
Thanks for giving an actual example to illustrate my point. |
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I can understand Klopp's anger about the schedule today. Next time Christmas Eve falls on a Saturday there should be a round of 12.30 kick-offs that day with TV games on the preceding three evenings. Two of those sides could contest a TV match on Boxing Day with the Bank Holiday Tuesday being used for eight games and a TV match on the Wednesday. That leaves the New Year weekend for a full programme spread over three days. It just means the PL switches from Boxing Day to Christmas Eve once every five or six years. The football league would have full programmes on Boxing Day and Jan 2 so plenty of choice for fans.
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Not sure what Klopp is moaning about. Liverpool and Sunderland both played on Saturday (albeit, Liverpool played a few hours later). The only people who have a right to moan, in my opinion, are Southampton and the fans (well, me at least).
The midweek round should, like in 2011-12, have been played the week before Christmas. Having that midweek round a week earlier was a complete pain. I think a midweek round before Christmas would be preferable to playing on Christmas Eve with some games played on the preceding weekday evenings. I would consider doing something more controversial. I think when Christmas is a Sunday, we should consider playing during the day on Friday 30 December. I know it's technically a weekday, but in reality a lot of people are off anyway and if the TV games are announced in plenty of time (i.e. earlier than mid October), if people are desperate to go to a game, they can book it off as leave. Or we could lobby the government to give us an extra bank holiday to assist with scheduling football.
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Klopp doesn't really have a point anyway Quote:
Liverpool covered a total of 118.63km as a team, outrunning Sunderland who clocked up 115.89km. PossessionThat is in keeping with their performances over the rest of the festive period, during which they ran 116.87km in beating City and 118.94km in their 4-1 win over Stoke on 27 December. Home29% Away71% Shots Home10 Away21 Shots on Target Home5 Away15 Corners Home2 Away5 Fouls Home10 Away10 But moaning about the fixtures is a good excuse I guess. |
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I don't totally understand the reluctance to play football on Christmas Eve, could argue playing a late kick off on NYE is just as awkward for people.
Probably the best way of doing the fixtures this season would have been Christmas Eve, Bank Holiday Tuesday and New Years Day. |
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The BBC have published a handy table showing the number of hours from the start of a team's Boxing Day match, to the end of their New Year fixture:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38491151 There's some huge gaps there, most notably between Chelsea and Liverpool. It's relevant to TV picks because that's what causes the disparity, as we were discussing earlier. Having said that, I'm not sure Boxing Day should be included because as far as I'm concerned a gap of two full days between games re-levels the playing field (i.e. once you get to Wednesday-Saturday or similar I think the clock should be reset). A possible solution that would have kept some sense of parity for New Year might have been: Saturday 31st December - Watford v Spurs Sunday 1st January - Arsenal v Crystal Palace Monday 2nd January - Spurs v Chelsea; Middlesbrough v Leicester; West Ham v Man Utd Tuesday 3rd January - Bournemouth v Arsenal Wednesday 4th January - Crystal Palace v Swansea (not on TV) I've put Palace v Swansea on 4th January to account for Palace playing on Sunday and Swansea playing on Saturday. Obviously that's not ideal for Sky, because they'd rather spread their festive fixtures out as much as possible, and have a Super Sunday double-header instead of one game in the less-attractive Saturday lunchtime slot. But if the Premier League are going to persist with Saturday-Monday (or other 2-day gaps) at Christmas and New Year, maybe imposing such restrictions will be a necessary compromise to avoid increasing disquiet. |
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Not sure what Klopp is moaning about. Liverpool and Sunderland both played on Saturday (albeit, Liverpool played a few hours later). The only people who have a right to moan, in my opinion, are Southampton and the fans (well, me at least).
The midweek round should, like in 2011-12, have been played the week before Christmas. Having that midweek round a week earlier was a complete pain. I think a midweek round before Christmas would be preferable to playing on Christmas Eve with some games played on the preceding weekday evenings. I would consider doing something more controversial. I think when Christmas is a Sunday, we should consider playing during the day on Friday 30 December. I know it's technically a weekday, but in reality a lot of people are off anyway and if the TV games are announced in plenty of time (i.e. earlier than mid October), if people are desperate to go to a game, they can book it off as leave. Or we could lobby the government to give us an extra bank holiday to assist with scheduling football. ![]() |
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Allardyce has called for the fixture planners to be shot.
But it isnt their fault. Everything was fair in the middle of June with every one playing Sat 17 Mon 26 Sat 31 Mon 02 |
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Next season the PL matchdays over Christmas will be December 16/20/23/26/30 and January 1. Definitely no lack of football like this year !
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It wouldn't be entirely surprising.
That's Saturday-midweek-Saturday-Boxing Day-Saturday-New Year's Day. Christmas Eve might be a problem for TV games. Quote:
We have to go back to the 2006-07 season for the last time that Christmas fell on a Monday. Statto is down at the moment but I'm pretty sure all 10 games were played on Saturday 23 December. I guess there were games at 12:45 and 17:30, perhaps Mr Williams of this parish can remember which.
Given that we didn't get a midweek round of fixtures in the week before Christmas this season, I find it hard to believe that we'll get one next season. I can't remember what the packages looked like in 2006-07, but I'm guessing someone had to defer a pick in the 23 December round of fixtures. The other thing next season is that 27 December is not a bank holiday so Sky are limited to one evening kick off that day. That wasn't too unusual as the season before all ten teams had played on Wednesday 28th (well, they were supposed to, a couple got called off because of snow) and New Year's Eve as well, and Sky only had one live match in each round. There were fewer matches on TV in those days, mind. As you mention, they'd be limited to one game on the 27th and then you probably won't get one on Thursday 28th either, so I'm assuming there'd be three matches on Boxing Day. |
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Linekar repeated his claim on Match of the Day last night, so maybe there will be a midweek round before Christmas.
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Allardyce has called for the fixture planners to be shot.
But it isnt their fault. Everything was fair in the middle of June with every one playing Sat 17 Mon 26 Sat 31 Mon 02 |
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Could Christmas Eve be used? I'm not sure. In theory it would be needed to avoid an enforced deferral of a third/fourth pick. What it would do is put pressure on the Boxing Day games. Would they have to move a game featuring a team playing on 24 December? I suppose teams have played two games in three days this year so maybe it wouldn't be an issue.
The other thing next season is that 27 December is not a bank holiday so Sky are limited to one evening kick off that day. |
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Thanks Abs81, that's interesting.
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Allardyce has called for the fixture planners to be shot.
But it isnt their fault. Everything was fair in the middle of June with every one playing Sat 17 Mon 26 Sat 31 Mon 02 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35229287 |
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As Gary Neville said in commentary during the West Ham-Man Utd game; not sure why managers feel the need to complain about it, it's not something new, been happening for decades and nowadays with the number of fitness staff, recovery methods, analysts and the data they have access to means that managers should know exactly the fitness levels and capabilities of every player in their squad, data that was not around when likes of Allardyce played but they seemed to manage it.
If top level tennis players can play every other day at a Grand Slam (sometimes up to 4 or 5 hours at a time) then I don't see what the big deal is with football players to play 2 games in space of circa 48 hours. |
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This time, though, the issue that Wenger has seems to be the disparity - Arsenal have played Sunday-Tuesday; Chelsea will play Saturday-Wednesday. Which I think is a valid complaint, because regardless of fitness levels and the like extra days' rest will always help.
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This time, though, the issue that Wenger has seems to be the disparity - Arsenal have played Sunday-Tuesday; Chelsea will play Saturday-Wednesday. Which I think is a valid complaint, because regardless of fitness levels and the like extra days' rest will always help.
However, from the matches being played today and tomorrow there is a single day difference between the gaps between teams: Bournemouth (3) v Arsenal (2) Crystal Palace (2) v Swansea (3) Stoke (3) v Watford (2) Wins for 2 of the teams with additional rest, and a draw for the other. Tottenham (3) v Chelsea (4) We'll see... |
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Also, don't forget next season culminates with the World Cup in the summer, hence there'll be an extra round or two of midweek games to allow for an early finish to the season.
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Not a valid comparison in as much as they don't play each other.
However, from the matches being played today and tomorrow there is a single day difference between the gaps between teams: Bournemouth (3) v Arsenal (2) Crystal Palace (2) v Swansea (3) Stoke (3) v Watford (2) Wins for 2 of the teams with additional rest, and a draw for the other. Tottenham (3) v Chelsea (4) We'll see... It would not, however, have been so easy to solve the issue for West Brom and Southampton. I suppose they could have played that game on the Friday night and insisted that Sky show Southampton v Spurs on Tuesday 27 December. Quote:
Also, don't forget next season culminates with the World Cup in the summer, hence there'll be an extra round or two of midweek games to allow for an early finish to the season.
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So when Arsenal play on a Saturday after Champions League week and beat Swansea who have had 4 extra days rest
Do we hear managers moan about the unfair schedule ?? If they stopped giving players excuses. Do we hear the players actually complaining ?? |
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Funny thing is Arsenal actually got better as the game went on so guess they got less tired did they?
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Judio - it's a fair point, and certainly Arsenal (though maybe not Palace and Watford) could have rotated their squad more last night. However, I'd question why we have the convention that we don't play two games in three days. Clearly it is seen as unacceptable for most of the season, yet at this time of the year it isn't.
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I think if you played on Monday then that is a day time game that fans can go to so I vote they keep that time
Once you move it to Tuesday night you may as well move to a Weds night |
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