Could a lot of them pretend they knew nothing though? Minus Ian and Jane? A lot of people could lie to cover up the information they knew. For example Kathy could say she knew nothing about it until Bobby confessed in the pub. Sharon and Ben aren't likely to tell the truth about Phil and the jury. Peter, Liam and Cindy Jr all moved away so they could feign innocence.
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Originally Posted by Aurora13:
“Was there intent to cause GBH? If so, should the person die it is still murder.
I need to go back and watch again but I think they said they would charge Bobby with GBH for his attack on Jane. Should Jane die he is likely facing a murder charge. As for Lucy it is going to depend on what Bobby actually says. What did he intend when he attacked her?
The law of murder is set out in common law. The legal definition of murder is 'the unlawful killing of a human being in the Queen's peace, with malice aforethought'.
The actus reus of murder consists of the unlawful killing of a human being in the Queen's peace. The mens rea of murder is malice aforethought, which has been interpreted by the courts as meaning intention to kill or intention to cause GBH.
A murder conviction carries a mandatory life sentence. The judge passing sentence can not pass a lesser sentence no matter how mitigating the circumstances might be. There exist three partial defences to murder which may reduce the conviction to voluntary manslaughter which carries a maximum sentence of life and thus allows the judge discretion on sentencing. These partial defences are contained in the Homicide Act 1957 and consist of diminished responsibility, provocation and suicide pact.
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“Was there intent to cause GBH? If so, should the person die it is still murder.
I need to go back and watch again but I think they said they would charge Bobby with GBH for his attack on Jane. Should Jane die he is likely facing a murder charge. As for Lucy it is going to depend on what Bobby actually says. What did he intend when he attacked her?
The law of murder is set out in common law. The legal definition of murder is 'the unlawful killing of a human being in the Queen's peace, with malice aforethought'.
The actus reus of murder consists of the unlawful killing of a human being in the Queen's peace. The mens rea of murder is malice aforethought, which has been interpreted by the courts as meaning intention to kill or intention to cause GBH.
A murder conviction carries a mandatory life sentence. The judge passing sentence can not pass a lesser sentence no matter how mitigating the circumstances might be. There exist three partial defences to murder which may reduce the conviction to voluntary manslaughter which carries a maximum sentence of life and thus allows the judge discretion on sentencing. These partial defences are contained in the Homicide Act 1957 and consist of diminished responsibility, provocation and suicide pact.
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I don't think he intended to cause her serious injury, he was a child and wanted to shut her up cos she was laughing at him. I think he will be charged with murder but when it goes to court he will end up on an involuntarily manslaughter charge
that being said it will now be hard to prove all bobby knows is that his parents told him he killd her. he doesnt actually know what happened after he hit her so it looks like he is hiding something.
unfortunately, the only person able to corroborate his story has had her brains bashed in.
the defence have their work cut out
Originally Posted by Lisa_Charlene:
“Could a lot of them pretend they knew nothing though? Minus Ian and Jane? A lot of people could lie to cover up the information they knew. For example Kathy could say she knew nothing about it until Bobby confessed in the pub. Sharon and Ben aren't likely to tell the truth about Phil and the jury. Peter, Liam and Cindy Jr all moved away so they could feign innocence.”
“Could a lot of them pretend they knew nothing though? Minus Ian and Jane? A lot of people could lie to cover up the information they knew. For example Kathy could say she knew nothing about it until Bobby confessed in the pub. Sharon and Ben aren't likely to tell the truth about Phil and the jury. Peter, Liam and Cindy Jr all moved away so they could feign innocence.”
Sharon made herself look guilty by trying to shut Bobby up when he was confessing to Lucy's murder.
Originally Posted by soap-lea:
“I don't think he intended to cause her serious injury, he was a child and wanted to shut her up cos she was laughing at him. I think he will be charged with murder but when it goes to court he will end up on an involuntarily manslaughter charge
that being said it will now be hard to prove all bobby knows is that his parents told him he killd her. he doesnt actually know what happened after he hit her so it looks like he is hiding something.
unfortunately, the only person able to corroborate his story has had her brains bashed in.
the defence have their work cut out”
“I don't think he intended to cause her serious injury, he was a child and wanted to shut her up cos she was laughing at him. I think he will be charged with murder but when it goes to court he will end up on an involuntarily manslaughter charge
that being said it will now be hard to prove all bobby knows is that his parents told him he killd her. he doesnt actually know what happened after he hit her so it looks like he is hiding something.
unfortunately, the only person able to corroborate his story has had her brains bashed in.
the defence have their work cut out”
I agree he would have faced a manslaughter charge for Lucy. Especially as he was a 10 year old. Now you have the GBH on Jane will it make the police look at his intent differently in respect of Lucy? Certainly if Jane dies it is looking like a murder charge.
Well no one outside of Ian, Jane and Bobby will face charges. I honestly can't think of a single example in real life where there has been 10 people charged with perverting the course of justice and faced prison or even suspected sentences.
We have to remember that the police may never know everyone who knows - why would they know Peter, Sharon, Phil, Cindy etc knew? They might know, but they are simply people that know the story, rather than are part of it - if Ian doesn't say anything about anyone then everyone will be fine. Despite a load of them indicating they knew something tonight!
Except Abi. She lied on oath about Max and was a big part of why he was found guilty. Even Jane lied trying to stop him going to prison. Abi deserves a slap on the wrist at least.
Jane is almost certainly an accomplice to murder. I do think it is technically murder, but they know Lucy had a number of knocks to the head so Bobby could get away with manslaughter - but he now has demonstrated and confessed to violent behaviour based on temper. So it's not quite accidental as he did intend to hurt her.
Ian is just guilty of perversion. If he hadn't let Max go to prison then he might have been able to argue grief etc kept him from turning Bobby in. But to deliberately let a man go to prison... I know it's horrid, but if Jane dies then he might get a suspended sentence.
I think Jane will die if I'm honest.
We have to remember that the police may never know everyone who knows - why would they know Peter, Sharon, Phil, Cindy etc knew? They might know, but they are simply people that know the story, rather than are part of it - if Ian doesn't say anything about anyone then everyone will be fine. Despite a load of them indicating they knew something tonight!
Except Abi. She lied on oath about Max and was a big part of why he was found guilty. Even Jane lied trying to stop him going to prison. Abi deserves a slap on the wrist at least.
Jane is almost certainly an accomplice to murder. I do think it is technically murder, but they know Lucy had a number of knocks to the head so Bobby could get away with manslaughter - but he now has demonstrated and confessed to violent behaviour based on temper. So it's not quite accidental as he did intend to hurt her.
Ian is just guilty of perversion. If he hadn't let Max go to prison then he might have been able to argue grief etc kept him from turning Bobby in. But to deliberately let a man go to prison... I know it's horrid, but if Jane dies then he might get a suspended sentence.
I think Jane will die if I'm honest.
Originally Posted by soap-lea:
“Jane beale must be classed as an accomplice.
but yeah I was thnking the same, how are they going to explain away non of them going to prison (if that is what happens)
I can see Phil and Sharon being left out of it
but Lauren, Peter, Liam and Cindy also knew so are they going to be charged too.”
“Jane beale must be classed as an accomplice.
but yeah I was thnking the same, how are they going to explain away non of them going to prison (if that is what happens)
I can see Phil and Sharon being left out of it
but Lauren, Peter, Liam and Cindy also knew so are they going to be charged too.”
I think the circumstances of the case and the motivations of the characters will be taken into account which may lessen some of the charges.
Originally Posted by Lisa_Charlene:
“Could a lot of them pretend they knew nothing though? Minus Ian and Jane? A lot of people could lie to cover up the information they knew. For example Kathy could say she knew nothing about it until Bobby confessed in the pub. Sharon and Ben aren't likely to tell the truth about Phil and the jury. Peter, Liam and Cindy Jr all moved away so they could feign innocence.”
“Could a lot of them pretend they knew nothing though? Minus Ian and Jane? A lot of people could lie to cover up the information they knew. For example Kathy could say she knew nothing about it until Bobby confessed in the pub. Sharon and Ben aren't likely to tell the truth about Phil and the jury. Peter, Liam and Cindy Jr all moved away so they could feign innocence.”
I wondered this too but after months of saying nothing bobby has split the beans big time. All he has to say is that Denny told him that he knew he killed Lucy and then it will all come out about how Denny heard sharon talking about it, how bobby asked Ian and Jane and they told him it was true and how he was going to turn himself in but Ian stopped him.
Originally Posted by MissMonkeyMoo:
“I wondered this too but after months of saying nothing bobby has split the beans big time. All he has to say is that Denny told him that he knew he killed Lucy and then it will all come out about how Denny heard sharon talking about it, how bobby asked Ian and Jane and they told him it was true and how he was going to turn himself in but Ian stopped him.”
“I wondered this too but after months of saying nothing bobby has split the beans big time. All he has to say is that Denny told him that he knew he killed Lucy and then it will all come out about how Denny heard sharon talking about it, how bobby asked Ian and Jane and they told him it was true and how he was going to turn himself in but Ian stopped him.”
BIB - well they are referencing back to this as Denny told Linda/Mick that he knew that Bobby killed Lucy at Christmas.
Originally Posted by MissMonkeyMoo:
“I wondered this too but after months of saying nothing bobby has split the beans big time. All he has to say is that Denny told him that he knew he killed Lucy and then it will all come out about how Denny heard sharon talking about it, how bobby asked Ian and Jane and they told him it was true and how he was going to turn himself in but Ian stopped him.”
“I wondered this too but after months of saying nothing bobby has split the beans big time. All he has to say is that Denny told him that he knew he killed Lucy and then it will all come out about how Denny heard sharon talking about it, how bobby asked Ian and Jane and they told him it was true and how he was going to turn himself in but Ian stopped him.”
That is just a load of hear say though.
According to the storyline, Bobby did not know he killed Lucy. Bobby does not know how Lucy got out of the house (I don't think?). The police tonight didn't even bother to believe his story until he mentioned the jewelry box - if he is unable to produce the jewelry box, then there is no evidence at all proving he killed Lucy.
As for Ian telling Bobby the truth... Ian could argue that into something or nothing. He could just say he snapped and blamed Bobby once in the heat of the moment etc.
Do we know what happened to Jane's car that she used to move the body?
Originally Posted by Aurora13:
“BIB - well they are referencing back to this as Denny told Linda/Mick that he knew that Bobby killed Lucy at Christmas.”
“BIB - well they are referencing back to this as Denny told Linda/Mick that he knew that Bobby killed Lucy at Christmas.”
Sharon could argue Deny got the wrong end of the stick. Although Mick knows different.
Originally Posted by Menime123:
“That is just a load of hear say though.
According to the storyline, Bobby did not know he killed Lucy. Bobby does not know how Lucy got out of the house (I don't think?). The police tonight didn't even bother to believe his story until he mentioned the jewelry box - if he is unable to produce the jewelry box, then there is no evidence at all proving he killed Lucy.
As for Ian telling Bobby the truth... Ian could argue that into something or nothing. He could just say he snapped and blamed Bobby once in the heat of the moment etc.
Do we know what happened to Jane's car that she used to move the body?”
“That is just a load of hear say though.
According to the storyline, Bobby did not know he killed Lucy. Bobby does not know how Lucy got out of the house (I don't think?). The police tonight didn't even bother to believe his story until he mentioned the jewelry box - if he is unable to produce the jewelry box, then there is no evidence at all proving he killed Lucy.
As for Ian telling Bobby the truth... Ian could argue that into something or nothing. He could just say he snapped and blamed Bobby once in the heat of the moment etc.
Do we know what happened to Jane's car that she used to move the body?”
Ian part ex'd it and got her a new one for xmas.
Originally Posted by Menime123:
“That is just a load of hear say though.
According to the storyline, Bobby did not know he killed Lucy. Bobby does not know how Lucy got out of the house (I don't think?). The police tonight didn't even bother to believe his story until he mentioned the jewelry box - if he is unable to produce the jewelry box, then there is no evidence at all proving he killed Lucy.
As for Ian telling Bobby the truth... Ian could argue that into something or nothing. He could just say he snapped and blamed Bobby once in the heat of the moment etc.
Do we know what happened to Jane's car that she used to move the body?”
“That is just a load of hear say though.
According to the storyline, Bobby did not know he killed Lucy. Bobby does not know how Lucy got out of the house (I don't think?). The police tonight didn't even bother to believe his story until he mentioned the jewelry box - if he is unable to produce the jewelry box, then there is no evidence at all proving he killed Lucy.
As for Ian telling Bobby the truth... Ian could argue that into something or nothing. He could just say he snapped and blamed Bobby once in the heat of the moment etc.
Do we know what happened to Jane's car that she used to move the body?”
Yes, Ian could say that. And Sharon could say Denny got the wrong end of the stick. But that might just come across as a bit coincidental! And bobby has now told them what he hit Lucy with and that he knows where it is. I allying think they'll end up doing forensics on it and will miraculously be able to prove it was responsible for the blow that killed Lucy.
Originally Posted by MissMonkeyMoo:
“Yes, Ian could say that. And Sharon could say Denny got the wrong end of the stick. But that might just come across as a bit coincidental! And bobby has now told them what he hit Lucy with and that he knows where it is. I allying think they'll end up doing forensics on it and will miraculously be able to prove it was responsible for the blow that killed Lucy.”
“Yes, Ian could say that. And Sharon could say Denny got the wrong end of the stick. But that might just come across as a bit coincidental! And bobby has now told them what he hit Lucy with and that he knows where it is. I allying think they'll end up doing forensics on it and will miraculously be able to prove it was responsible for the blow that killed Lucy.”
They have to find the box first. Last seen under the Christmas tree I believe? Do we know who put it under the tree even?
Otherwise Demot O'Leary is going to go down for the murder next - his prints are all over it after the NTAs!
Does anybody know if the actress who plays Jane is leaving? Because I don't think she could get out of this one.
Maybe her return in 2014 was for this s/l? Bobby will be charged for manslaugher probably but Jane will get the book thrown at her. I think she may wake up, confess and then die. Or just wake up and confess, taking all the blame herself and going to prison.
Either way it'll be a shame as I like Ian and Jane together and I may be in the minority here, but I really have enjoyed this entire storyline. I wasn't keen on Bobby being the killer at first - but it has proven to be a great twist.
Maybe her return in 2014 was for this s/l? Bobby will be charged for manslaugher probably but Jane will get the book thrown at her. I think she may wake up, confess and then die. Or just wake up and confess, taking all the blame herself and going to prison.
Either way it'll be a shame as I like Ian and Jane together and I may be in the minority here, but I really have enjoyed this entire storyline. I wasn't keen on Bobby being the killer at first - but it has proven to be a great twist.
Originally Posted by Menime123:
“They have to find the box first. Last seen under the Christmas tree I believe? Do we know who put it under the tree even?
Otherwise Demot O'Leary is going to go down for the murder next - his prints are all over it after the NTAs!”
“They have to find the box first. Last seen under the Christmas tree I believe? Do we know who put it under the tree even?
Otherwise Demot O'Leary is going to go down for the murder next - his prints are all over it after the NTAs!”
Ha ha watch out dermot! Bobby admitted to putting the jewelry box under the tree during live week. And he said tonight that he knows where it is so he must have kept it after Cindy freaked out about it on Christmas day.
Originally Posted by Mattehhhftw:
“Does anybody know if the actress who plays Jane is leaving? Because I don't think she could get out of this one.
Maybe her return in 2014 was for this s/l? Bobby will be charged for manslaugher probably but Jane will get the book thrown at her. I think she may wake up, confess and then die. Or just wake up and confess, taking all the blame herself and going to prison.
Either way it'll be a shame as I like Ian and Jane together and I may be in the minority here, but I really have enjoyed this entire storyline. I wasn't keen on Bobby being the killer at first - but it has proven to be a great twist.”
“Does anybody know if the actress who plays Jane is leaving? Because I don't think she could get out of this one.
Maybe her return in 2014 was for this s/l? Bobby will be charged for manslaugher probably but Jane will get the book thrown at her. I think she may wake up, confess and then die. Or just wake up and confess, taking all the blame herself and going to prison.
Either way it'll be a shame as I like Ian and Jane together and I may be in the minority here, but I really have enjoyed this entire storyline. I wasn't keen on Bobby being the killer at first - but it has proven to be a great twist.”
When Laurie Brett first left EE, it wasn't announced, nor was her return to the show. I remember when she first left she got Julia's theme and no one knew it was a full on exit.
I know everyone disagrees, but Jane leaving again would be a huge loss to the show. Jane is one of my favourite characters and frankly, one of the sanest people on the square. Usually she is the absolute voice of reason... until this storyline. '
But Jane is perfect for Ian. He doesn't work with anyone else.
Originally Posted by Menime123:
“When Laurie Brett first left EE, it wasn't announced, nor was her return to the show. I remember when she first left she got Julia's theme and no one knew it was a full on exit.
I know everyone disagrees, but Jane leaving again would be a huge loss to the show. Jane is one of my favourite characters and frankly, one of the sanest people on the square. Usually she is the absolute voice of reason... until this storyline. '
But Jane is perfect for Ian. He doesn't work with anyone else.”
“When Laurie Brett first left EE, it wasn't announced, nor was her return to the show. I remember when she first left she got Julia's theme and no one knew it was a full on exit.
I know everyone disagrees, but Jane leaving again would be a huge loss to the show. Jane is one of my favourite characters and frankly, one of the sanest people on the square. Usually she is the absolute voice of reason... until this storyline. '
But Jane is perfect for Ian. He doesn't work with anyone else.”
BIB
she really isn't the sanest! I always thought Jane was only brought back to facilitate the Lucy storyline - she appeared a relatively short time before Lucy was killed. I don't think Jane's absence would devastate the square - stronger characters have gone and the show has survived. I for one cannot see how she can feasibly remain without first serving some sort of custodial sentence for everything she's done.
I think Jane will be brain damaged and paralysed ( one of those blows crushed her spine) and that Christian and her mum will take her back with them. She will be unfit to stand trial.
Originally Posted by soap-lea:
“bit mean, they have Ricky too .”
“bit mean, they have Ricky too .”
Well that's a fate worse than death, I'd rather live with bloodbath Bob myself
Is Lauren due to come back to the square? Remember before she left she told that creepy detective (Max's girlfriends ex) about Bobby being the murderer but he dismissed her story as he was happy for Max to be in prison.
Maybe this will come out and the police will drop charges as they also have screwed up?
Also how short the memory's of the characters are, it's not the first time that Bobby has been accused of murdering Lucy - many of them were witness to Max being arrested and him screaming his innocence and screaming that Bobby did it.
So many flaws to this story line, so frustrating - but must admit to loving it.
Free Max Branning.
Maybe this will come out and the police will drop charges as they also have screwed up?
Also how short the memory's of the characters are, it's not the first time that Bobby has been accused of murdering Lucy - many of them were witness to Max being arrested and him screaming his innocence and screaming that Bobby did it.
So many flaws to this story line, so frustrating - but must admit to loving it.
Free Max Branning.
Originally Posted by soap-lea:
“Jane beale must be classed as an accomplice.
but yeah I was thnking the same, how are they going to explain away non of them going to prison (if that is what happens)
I can see Phil and Sharon being left out of it
but Lauren, Peter, Liam and Cindy also knew so are they going to be charged too.”
“Jane beale must be classed as an accomplice.
but yeah I was thnking the same, how are they going to explain away non of them going to prison (if that is what happens)
I can see Phil and Sharon being left out of it
but Lauren, Peter, Liam and Cindy also knew so are they going to be charged too.”
Of course Weeble will get away with it, he destroys life after life for his own sick amusement and never, ever pays for his despicable actions.
Any other character and TPTB would have Max getting his (rightful) revenge - but not the Egregious Egg, oh no.
Originally Posted by bingoes:
“Is Lauren due to come back to the square? Remember before she left she told that creepy detective (Max's girlfriends ex) about Bobby being the murderer but he dismissed her story as he was happy for Max to be in prison.
Maybe this will come out and the police will drop charges as they also have screwed up?
Also how short the memory's of the characters are, it's not the first time that Bobby has been accused of murdering Lucy - many of them were witness to Max being arrested and him screaming his innocence and screaming that Bobby did it.
So many flaws to this story line, so frustrating - but must admit to loving it.
Free Max Branning.”
“Is Lauren due to come back to the square? Remember before she left she told that creepy detective (Max's girlfriends ex) about Bobby being the murderer but he dismissed her story as he was happy for Max to be in prison.
Maybe this will come out and the police will drop charges as they also have screwed up?
Also how short the memory's of the characters are, it's not the first time that Bobby has been accused of murdering Lucy - many of them were witness to Max being arrested and him screaming his innocence and screaming that Bobby did it.
So many flaws to this story line, so frustrating - but must admit to loving it.
Free Max Branning.”
Spoiler
Originally Posted by Keyser_Soze1:
“Of course Weeble will get away with it, he destroys life after life for his own sick amusement and never, ever pays for his despicable actions.
Any other character and TPTB would have Max getting his (rightful) revenge - but not the Egregious Egg, oh no.”
“Of course Weeble will get away with it, he destroys life after life for his own sick amusement and never, ever pays for his despicable actions.
Any other character and TPTB would have Max getting his (rightful) revenge - but not the Egregious Egg, oh no.”
I knew what u were going to say before I read it
The ending to the storyline is obviously gonna be unrealistic cause if every character who has been involved got sentenced half the characters would be leaving, which isn't gonna happen, many of the characters involved are seen as part of the unsackables.
It seems that when DTC joined, he wanted something big to start his reign, and build up to the 30th Anniversary, but didn't think of how it would all end.
He has given Sean O Connor a big mess to sort out, maybe this should have ended at Christmas, then DTC could have had it sorted before he left
It seems that when DTC joined, he wanted something big to start his reign, and build up to the 30th Anniversary, but didn't think of how it would all end.
He has given Sean O Connor a big mess to sort out, maybe this should have ended at Christmas, then DTC could have had it sorted before he left
Originally Posted by Menime123:
“When Laurie Brett first left EE, it wasn't announced, nor was her return to the show. I remember when she first left she got Julia's theme and no one knew it was a full on exit.
I know everyone disagrees, but Jane leaving again would be a huge loss to the show. Jane is one of my favourite characters and frankly, one of the sanest people on the square. Usually she is the absolute voice of reason... until this storyline. '
But Jane is perfect for Ian. He doesn't work with anyone else.”
“When Laurie Brett first left EE, it wasn't announced, nor was her return to the show. I remember when she first left she got Julia's theme and no one knew it was a full on exit.
I know everyone disagrees, but Jane leaving again would be a huge loss to the show. Jane is one of my favourite characters and frankly, one of the sanest people on the square. Usually she is the absolute voice of reason... until this storyline. '
But Jane is perfect for Ian. He doesn't work with anyone else.”
I agree, Ian and Jane work so well together.
but Jane will have to pay for what she has done here sadly.
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