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Old 26-05-2016, 09:40
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Balance Unity deserved to go through. He had a better act, is a genuine, nice guy, and has real potential.
Thank you, finally I see a positive comment, Balance did a great job last night as did that Foreign act, but I went for Balance as I found it more entertaining added to the fact that I live about 15 minutes away from where he's from. Good to see some local talent on there .

I have to say when it came down to the final 2 I honestly thought the judges would side with those other dancers, so it was quite a surprise.
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Old 26-05-2016, 09:42
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what do you expect when two series have been won by dogs?
some talented people were even left out of the semifinals to make room for the joke acts ( polar bear,dinosaur, vitaly voronko etc., exactly one joke act for each semifinal)
It's all scripted.
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Old 26-05-2016, 09:48
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Balance was great but I was gutted that Tumar KR didn't get through.

Can only speak for myself, and I'd seen dancers like Balance before but I'd never seen an act like those guys before now. They were mesmerising.
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Old 26-05-2016, 09:56
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Balance and tumar kr should have gone through not the 12 year old who sings like a thirty year old, her singing is ok, nothing special. It's only because she's 12 she got through(I think she's too young for this anyway). As always boring singing acts get through.
Amen.
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Old 26-05-2016, 10:07
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In an ideal world, I'd have put Balance and Tumar KR through and binned Beau off but obviously the public are idiots so that would never happen.

I actually thought Balance was alright, and deserved to go through but I would have put Tumar KR through if I were choosing. I've only voted the joke acts through so far (dancing polar bear 5x free app votes, you're welcome!) but I took one of my free votes away from the dinosaur last night and gave it to Tumar KR. I do agree that the signals were extremely mixed last night.

The way I read it - the producers weren't confident that they'd get Balance into the top three so went lukewarm on his praise and overall treatment, and I think they may have thought there were too many negatives with Tumar KR to get them into the top three, so decided to give them a feel good treatment. The negatives being the in-your-face FOREIGNERS!! VT (with them on a plane, poor English and then the translator afterwards) and then this sort of act being a bit freaky and uncomfortable, never usually pulls in the votes. I think that putting the orchestra on early was a show of confidence, and that it would be them and Beau going through. Either way, it was generally puzzling but I'm not miffed about the result.
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Old 26-05-2016, 10:14
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In an ideal world, I'd have put Balance and Tumar KR through and binned Beau off but obviously the public are idiots so that would never happen.

I actually thought Balance was alright, and deserved to go through but I would have put Tumar KR through if I were choosing. I've only voted the joke acts through so far (dancing polar bear 5x free app votes, you're welcome!) but I took one of my free votes away from the dinosaur last night and gave it to Tumar KR. I do agree that the signals were extremely mixed last night.

The way I read it - the producers weren't confident that they'd get Balance into the top three so went lukewarm on his praise and overall treatment, and I think they may have thought there were too many negatives with Tumar KR to get them into the top three, so decided to give them a feel good treatment. The negatives being the in-your-face FOREIGNERS!! VT (with them on a plane, poor English and then the translator afterwards) and then this sort of act being a bit freaky and uncomfortable, never usually pulls in the votes. I think that putting the orchestra on early was a show of confidence, and that it would be them and Beau going through. Either way, it was generally puzzling but I'm not miffed about the result.
Are you a member of the public?
You've just reinforced your theory if you are.

I think your theory is ridiculous btw.
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Old 26-05-2016, 10:21
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Are you a member of the public?
You've just reinforced your theory if you are.

I think your theory is ridiculous btw.
Thanks for that. Good for you.
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Old 26-05-2016, 10:29
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Thank God someone else said it. I thought I was going mad! The only act I rewound and watched again (some parts in slow motion). Fantastic. The judges stood up for them, said they were amazing and had the odd point of criticism for Balance. Yet not one vote. Laughable.
If it's because they're foreign, it makes a mockery of Simon constantly saying, "This is why we allow acts from all over the world. Blah blah."
Either have it British only or, if not, judge foreign acts as fairly as everyone else.
I did wonder if they might have seen them as a real threat to their golden buzzer acts (like the foreign gospel choir!)
To be fair, they do.

Balance is very likeable, which probably helped to sway things in his favour.
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Old 26-05-2016, 10:40
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the 'foreigners VT' didn't screw them at all because the public voted them into top three (maybe even second?).
It was the judges who voted them out
In an ideal world, I'd have put Balance and Tumar KR through and binned Beau off but obviously the public are idiots so that would never happen.

I actually thought Balance was alright, and deserved to go through but I would have put Tumar KR through if I were choosing. I've only voted the joke acts through so far (dancing polar bear 5x free app votes, you're welcome!) but I took one of my free votes away from the dinosaur last night and gave it to Tumar KR. I do agree that the signals were extremely mixed last night.

The way I read it - the producers weren't confident that they'd get Balance into the top three so went lukewarm on his praise and overall treatment, and I think they may have thought there were too many negatives with Tumar KR to get them into the top three, so decided to give them a feel good treatment. The negatives being the in-your-face FOREIGNERS!! VT (with them on a plane, poor English and then the translator afterwards) and then this sort of act being a bit freaky and uncomfortable, never usually pulls in the votes. I think that putting the orchestra on early was a show of confidence, and that it would be them and Beau going through. Either way, it was generally puzzling but I'm not miffed about the result.
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Old 26-05-2016, 11:46
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the 'foreigners VT' didn't screw them at all because the public voted them into top three (maybe even second?).
It was the judges who voted them out

I know, that's what I was suggesting. I think there is a balance here - the production staff need to ensure that the show itself is entertaining, whilst also pleasing the public and engineering the vote to create a diverse and entertaining final. I believe that Tumar KR were probably the most entertaining and original act on the bill last night, hence the positive judges comments and the late slot in the running order. However, this act isn't a natural vote getter anyway, I believe the producers thought that emphasising their "foreign"-ness in the VT and with the translator present on stage would keep a lid on their vote, whilst the more obvious crowd pleasers being the Orchestra, and then Balance and obviously Beau.
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Old 26-05-2016, 12:24
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I was not was fussed which of these dance acts got through. I wanted the Orchestra or the Singing quartet.
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Old 26-05-2016, 12:39
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To be fair, they do.

Balance is very likeable, which probably helped to sway things in his favour.
That dinosaur is very likeable doesn't mean it should get through to the final your statement makes no logical sense the queen isn't going to judge someone's likability she's going to judge their talent and what they put in front her and I'm sorry but that dude has talent but it's nowhere near the talent of Tumar KR who seem like nice lads btw
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Old 26-05-2016, 12:46
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That dinosaur is very likeable doesn't mean it should get through to the final your statement makes no logical sense the queen isn't going to judge someone's likability she's going to judge their talent and what they put in front her and I'm sorry but that dude has talent but it's nowhere near the talent of Tumar KR who seem like nice lads btw
It does matter when it's a public vote, though. Just look at The X Factor - Misha B was far and away the most talented act of her year, with star quality in spades and put in an excellent performance each week but as soon as "bully-gate" ensued, she was bottom two every other week.

The show was at pains to inform us at every available opportunity last night that Balance was a lovely young boy, was a dream to work with, how lovely and nice he was backstage etc etc etc. It factors into the way the public decide to vote.
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Old 26-05-2016, 12:52
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It does matter when it's a public vote, though. Just look at The X Factor - Misha B was far and away the most talented act of her year, with star quality in spades and put in an excellent performance each week but as soon as "bully-gate" ensued, she was bottom two every other week.

The show was at pains to inform us at every available opportunity last night that Balance was a lovely young boy, was a dream to work with, how lovely and nice he was backstage etc etc etc. It factors into the way the public decide to vote.
Well I'm sure the lads of Tumar KR are lovely and kind and generous but they can't speak fluent English so they can't express their loveliness like balance can how is that fair I feel for Tumar KR hopefully they'll come back as the wild card and win the whole show which I pretty much doubt it'll happen as its purely down to the great British public they wouldn't know what talent was if it hit them right of the face
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Old 26-05-2016, 12:58
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Well I'm sure the lads of Tumar KR are lovely and kind and generous but they can't speak fluent English so they can't express their loveliness like balance can how is that fair I feel for Tumar KR hopefully they'll come back as the wild card and win the whole show which I pretty much doubt it'll happen as its purely down to the great British public they wouldn't know what talent was if it hit them right of the face
Well yes, I agree. I'd have binned Beau off for the pair of them, if I'm honest. Problem is, the voting public may also have been put off by Tumar KR's VT where a lot of it was subtitled, there was emphasis that they were flying in from another country and then their translator being on stage wouldn't have pulled them many votes in, either. Didn't make too much of a difference in the end, they were still top three. The fact that the judges had to vote for Balance to be in the final suggests to me that he finished third, and Tumar KR finished second in the vote, otherwise they'd have left it to a split decision like they have previously this week.
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Old 26-05-2016, 13:24
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Well I'm sure the lads of Tumar KR are lovely and kind and generous but they can't speak fluent English so they can't express their loveliness like balance can how is that fair I feel for Tumar KR hopefully they'll come back as the wild card and win the whole show which I pretty much doubt it'll happen as its purely down to the great British public they wouldn't know what talent was if it hit them right of the face
True but that bendy guy did have a really infectious smile.
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Old 26-05-2016, 13:41
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Well yes, I agree. I'd have binned Beau off for the pair of them, if I'm honest. Problem is, the voting public may also have been put off by Tumar KR's VT where a lot of it was subtitled, there was emphasis that they were flying in from another country and then their translator being on stage wouldn't have pulled them many votes in, either. Didn't make too much of a difference in the end, they were still top three. The fact that the judges had to vote for Balance to be in the final suggests to me that he finished third, and Tumar KR finished second in the vote, otherwise they'd have left it to a split decision like they have previously this week.
This is what I think too, I am convinced the judges know who is second/third on the public vote. Did you also notice there was hardly any deliberation from any judge as on all the previous nights like they had been told who to vote for.

The big question is why did they want balance in the final so desperately and not tumar Kr, that's the part I don't get. The voting was clearly very dodgy as everyone has pointed out, there us no way all the judges thought balance was better. The 'foreign' aspect may have played a part.
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Old 26-05-2016, 14:06
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This is what I think too, I am convinced the judges know who is second/third on the public vote. Did you also notice there was hardly any deliberation from any judge as on all the previous nights like they had been told who to vote for.

The big question is why did they want balance in the final so desperately and not tumar Kr, that's the part I don't get. The voting was clearly very dodgy as everyone has pointed out, there us no way all the judges thought balance was better. The 'foreign' aspect may have played a part.
My reading of last night is this - they wanted to clear the way for Beau to sail easily into the final, and them pimping Tumar KR so much was at the expense of the Orchestra and Vox, who are likely to have a similar voting demographic to Beau. I think it's common sense that the judges are in the know regarding voting figures and who they need to vote for - they are all employees and it's Simon's show, of course he's going to know, and he's going to know who he wants to do well and who doesn't. I don't think it was a matter of wanting Balance in the final to begin with - the show itself was ensuring Beau was first (hence the amazing stage show she got, her judges comments being glowing and the pimp slot at the end of the show) and ensuring that the Orhestra or Vox Fotura did not finish first. I think they'd have binned off either of those two acts in favour of who they shared the choice between, but in the end, they didn't have to make that choice, they simply chose the act that they liked most. To me, that would explain why they pimped Tumar KR the most during the show - they provided the most "variety" of the acts left (after Beau, Vox Fotura and the Orchestra) but ultimately, Balance is less of a threat to Beau in the final.
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Old 26-05-2016, 14:14
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I can only assume they want the public to vote Tumar KR to be the wildcard in the final. Or do the judges vote for that?
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Old 26-05-2016, 14:19
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I can only assume they want the public to vote Tumar KR to be the wildcard in the final. Or do the judges vote for that?
It's a public wildcard vote, I think Ant confirmed that at the end of last nights show. The voting will open tonight, as I understand it although exact details have yet to be released.

I think the little Billy Elliot guy is going straight through as the wildcard. Tumar KR's funcion last night was to distract from the Orchestra and Vox Fortura.
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Old 26-05-2016, 14:38
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Is everyone eligible for the wildcard though?
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Old 26-05-2016, 14:43
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Is everyone eligible for the wildcard though?
Thus far, I think the only mention of the public wildcard has been after the act who finished in "third place" still being eiligable for the vote. Reading between the lines, to me that means that the public wildcard vote will be between the five acts who just missed out but I don't think any actual solid information has been revealed.
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Old 26-05-2016, 14:50
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Watching More Talent and Stephen asked the panel if he thinks that the dinosaur act will win the wildcard!?
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Old 26-05-2016, 15:16
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Watching More Talent and Stephen asked the panel if he thinks that the dinosaur act will win the wildcard!?
I don't even want to consider that conclusion I swear I might rip my hair out
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Old 26-05-2016, 18:04
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I'm more shocked at some people who think Balance is a better dancer than Tumar, what are you actually watching?
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