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Old 26-05-2016, 01:20
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What happened to this, story?
it was announced way back in Feb 2015.

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Old 26-05-2016, 01:52
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It seems to just be picking up now.
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Old 26-05-2016, 08:13
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It seems to just be picking up now.
Yes and, as usual, the writers are taking a good character and turning him into a sh*tbag to suit the sl.
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Old 26-05-2016, 08:17
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More than likely partially derailed, or delayed, by the unexpected and untimely death of Shirley Stelfox.
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Old 26-05-2016, 08:43
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It sounded like they were picking it up last night when Ronnie asked Lawrence if he still loved him on the plus side if they get together it will solve Chrissie's dilemma as she will have both her Dad's together!
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Old 26-05-2016, 08:56
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They visited it a couple of times last year. When Robert paid someone to say Lawrence assaulted them so that he could be the hero of the hour and get back into Home Farm, Lawrence had a breakdown at the thought of prison. Samwe when he was put away for shooting Robert and again around the time he married Bernice. Then he said that his aversion thearpy had destroyed his interest in all sex, which would have been a new and interesting story to tell but seems they have changed their minds and are turning him into a good old fashioned self loathing gay man.
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Old 26-05-2016, 09:36
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I think it's a really interesting story though. I have never seen anything like it before. An older man struggling with his sexuality, and potentially a love story between older gay men. One thing I don't understand though, is a few weeks ago Lawrence was looking at some love letters that seemed to be written from his wife to Ronnie?
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Old 26-05-2016, 10:06
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I think it's a really interesting story though. I have never seen anything like it before. An older man struggling with his sexuality, and potentially a love story between older gay men. One thing I don't understand though, is a few weeks ago Lawrence was looking at some love letters that seemed to be written from his wife to Ronnie?
They were letters written to Lawrence from ronnie, chrissie found them and assumed they were to her mum as Lawrence told her he had only ever been with one man
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Old 26-05-2016, 10:12
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I see. I thought they were written to/from Chrissie's mum. But then I suppose that's what we were supposed to think.
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Old 26-05-2016, 10:28
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Considering it's been revisited for a while now, it wasn't scrapped. It was Law's marriage to Bernice and the sexless marriage was when it came into play. It's been a nice slow bubbling storyline.
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Old 26-05-2016, 10:30
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Yes and, as usual, the writers are taking a good character and turning him into a sh*tbag to suit the sl.
Lawrence has always had a horrible side! He's never been 100% nice and caring - only to his family and fiends, but to people who threaten his happiness he comes down hard on - like Robert for instance.

You don't become a millionaire by being nicey nicey, he has a ruthless side which we've seen since he started the show.
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Old 26-05-2016, 10:43
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Lawrence has always had a horrible side! He's never been 100% nice and caring - only to his family and fiends, but to people who threaten his happiness he comes down hard on - like Robert for instance.

You don't become a millionaire by being nicey nicey, he has a ruthless side which we've seen since he started the show.
He was vile to Alicia after she was assaulted by Lachlan, trying to pay her to leave town. His whole family treated her like crap

He also tried to destroy the Bartons when he found out Ross robbed Home Farm, he didn't just target the guilty partly, he even went after Moira!
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Old 26-05-2016, 10:52
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He was vile to Alicia after she was assaulted by Lachlan, trying to pay her to leave town. His whole family treated her like crap

He also tried to destroy the Bartons when he found out Ross robbed Home Farm, he didn't just target the guilty partly, he even went after Moira!
I forgot about that lol, yes nasty piece of work. Still a great character though.

Lawrence and his endless supply of cheques always makes me laugh
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Old 26-05-2016, 11:01
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Lawrence has always had a horrible side! He's never been 100% nice and caring - only to his family and fiends, but to people who threaten his happiness he comes down hard on - like Robert for instance.

You don't become a millionaire by being nicey nicey, he has a ruthless side which we've seen since he started the show.
Ha ha ha - So Robert is the one you decide to single out.

The guy who set up a burglary - dumped Lawrence into an out building and left him to have a heart-attack - set Lawrence up with a rent-boy (knowing his history) so he could blackmail him and (if we're to believe the current rhetoric from the show) was only ever interested in Chrissie's wealth.

Yeah - Robert, who walked away with half a million quid, is currently growing a pair of angels wings and is set to get his happy ending as an out gay guy with the love of his life.


There's no doubt Lawrence can be ruthless - but really? using Robert as the person to justify it that opinion - don't make me laugh
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Old 26-05-2016, 11:39
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Ha ha ha - So Robert is the one you decide to single out.

The guy who set up a burglary - dumped Lawrence into an out building and left him to have a heart-attack - set Lawrence up with a rent-boy (knowing his history) so he could blackmail him and (if we're to believe the current rhetoric from the show) was only ever interested in Chrissie's wealth.

Yeah - Robert, who walked away with half a million quid, is currently growing a pair of angels wings and is set to get his happy ending as an out gay guy with the love of his life.


There's no doubt Lawrence can be ruthless - but really? using Robert as the person to justify it that opinion - don't make me laugh
Wow calm down

Off the top of my head I mentioned Robert and if you look at my following posts, I forgot some of the stuff he did to Alecia and the Bartons.
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Old 26-05-2016, 11:46
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Quite a large response!

I'm glad it's picking up.
I just thought maybe laurance would appeal against is conviction
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Old 26-05-2016, 13:05
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I hope to god ED hasn't gone down the sensational route of having Ronnie as someone who slept with Lawrence's wife whilst having some kind of closet gay relationship with Lawrence at the same time!


I can't really get my head around Lawrence's abject horror about this either (not helped by John Bowe's OTT ham acting). A horror so strong that he's willing to send simple Sammeh out with a shotgun after Ronnie ???

There's just too much narrative here that doesn't ring true for me - there's been too many hints & clues thrown into storylines along the way with this - that don't all mesh together to make one whole story now.

We've been sold the story that the torture he recieved in prison has damaged his ability to be "intimate" (presumably with either sex) - this allows for the sexless marriage to Bernice storyline.
Then we get told that his daughter Rebecca could be his own daughter (suggesting that he, has indeed, been able to have intimate relations with his first wife)
We know he had an affair with Edna's husband in his youth - given that was surely the 60's, when being gay was seen as socially abhorrent and, indeed, a criminal offence - then his desire to be with a man (a married one at that) must have been very strong.
We were led to believe that this torture he was put through in prison made him suppress any desire he had for (or to be with) men - hence, the happily married man with a family presentation of him when he arrived in Emmerdale - and yet, along the way - they have dropped hints that this was not the case either. We had closeted Robert hinting very strongly that Lawrence had a "circle of friends" - and Robert had used this knowledge and his own "looks" to "charm" his way into Lawrence's business - and even into his family.
Now - we're being told that Lawrence has had some kind of affair with Ronnie (after he was tortured & released from prison).
Both of those last two "narrative" threads strongly suggest that Lawrence's homosexuality was never suppressed, but rather just kept to a clandestine existence outwith his "family"

If this IS the case - then that really makes his sexless marriage to Bernice storyline nothing more than a contrived plot - in 2016, why would a gay man in his late 60's / 70's (who presumably hasn't actually been celibate since he was tortured) even want to marry a much younger (and clearly sexual) woman, never mind actually get jealous at the notion she might be having an affair (jealous to the point of having Andy beaten and put in hospital!)


Lawrence is currently being written and behaving like its the 1960's and that being gay is still an abhorrent social crime (so bad that he's willing to threaten Ronnie with a shotgun) - and given the storyline that has surrounded him this past year (where no-one batted an eyelid that rampant heterosexual Robert was actually a closet gay guy), then Lawrence's behaviour just comes across as ridiculous!



At the moment - it just feels like the show is trying to cobble together a backstory here (for the sake of some immediate sensationalism), without even bothering to bring any continuity to the segments of Lawrence's "story" that have already been told.
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Old 26-05-2016, 14:57
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Think they Are revisiting it now.
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Old 26-05-2016, 16:48
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I hope to god ED hasn't gone down the sensational route of having Ronnie as someone who slept with Lawrence's wife whilst having some kind of closet gay relationship with Lawrence at the same time!


I can't really get my head around Lawrence's abject horror about this either (not helped by John Bowe's OTT ham acting). A horror so strong that he's willing to send simple Sammeh out with a shotgun after Ronnie ???

There's just too much narrative here that doesn't ring true for me - there's been too many hints & clues thrown into storylines along the way with this - that don't all mesh together to make one whole story now.

We've been sold the story that the torture he recieved in prison has damaged his ability to be "intimate" (presumably with either sex) - this allows for the sexless marriage to Bernice storyline.
Then we get told that his daughter Rebecca could be his own daughter (suggesting that he, has indeed, been able to have intimate relations with his first wife)
We know he had an affair with Edna's husband in his youth - given that was surely the 60's, when being gay was seen as socially abhorrent and, indeed, a criminal offence - then his desire to be with a man (a married one at that) must have been very strong.
We were led to believe that this torture he was put through in prison made him suppress any desire he had for (or to be with) men - hence, the happily married man with a family presentation of him when he arrived in Emmerdale - and yet, along the way - they have dropped hints that this was not the case either. We had closeted Robert hinting very strongly that Lawrence had a "circle of friends" - and Robert had used this knowledge and his own "looks" to "charm" his way into Lawrence's business - and even into his family.
Now - we're being told that Lawrence has had some kind of affair with Ronnie (after he was tortured & released from prison).
Both of those last two "narrative" threads strongly suggest that Lawrence's homosexuality was never suppressed, but rather just kept to a clandestine existence outwith his "family"

If this IS the case - then that really makes his sexless marriage to Bernice storyline nothing more than a contrived plot - in 2016, why would a gay man in his late 60's / 70's (who presumably hasn't actually been celibate since he was tortured) even want to marry a much younger (and clearly sexual) woman, never mind actually get jealous at the notion she might be having an affair (jealous to the point of having Andy beaten and put in hospital!)


Lawrence is currently being written and behaving like its the 1960's and that being gay is still an abhorrent social crime (so bad that he's willing to threaten Ronnie with a shotgun) - and given the storyline that has surrounded him this past year (where no-one batted an eyelid that rampant heterosexual Robert was actually a closet gay guy), then Lawrence's behaviour just comes across as ridiculous!



At the moment - it just feels like the show is trying to cobble together a backstory here (for the sake of some immediate sensationalism), without even bothering to bring any continuity to the segments of Lawrence's "story" that have already been told.
Excellently written post, although the bit about John Bowes acting seems harsh if you were an actor given this nonsensical script how would you go about delivering it. I think when a script is so over the top how acting in an ott manners is probably the best option.

There is no realistic way Ronnie could be the dad, that would make Chrissie's biological father a closeted man, her husband and the man who raised her. What odds would you get in that. Also the point about possibly being Rebecca's dad, if he had sex or even the turkey baster method with his wife there should be no doubt he's her dad if they were trying to conceive Surley she would have stopped having sex elswhere until after the birth.

Also the reference to Robert being introduced into his intimate circle, I never thought this was other gay men as although Robert flirted and led him on I don't think he actually let it be known he was gay, Lawrence always seemed bitter about this and when he was trying to set up Robert as a cheat it was Katie he turned to.
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Old 26-05-2016, 19:16
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Ha ha ha - So Robert is the one you decide to single out.

The guy who set up a burglary - dumped Lawrence into an out building and left him to have a heart-attack - set Lawrence up with a rent-boy (knowing his history) so he could blackmail him and (if we're to believe the current rhetoric from the show) was only ever interested in Chrissie's wealth.

Yeah - Robert, who walked away with half a million quid, is currently growing a pair of angels wings and is set to get his happy ending as an out gay guy with the love of his life.


There's no doubt Lawrence can be ruthless - but really? using Robert as the person to justify it that opinion - don't make me laugh
Up untill a few months ago Lawrence was mostly a decent guy, he was awful to Alicia but it came from trying to Protect his grandson, it was horrible but understandable and doesn't make him anywhere near Roberts level.

Speaking of that rent boy Robert hired, do you think they're were potentially ex colleagues. He told Robert he had "landed on his feet" giving the impression him and Robert was on the same level untill Robert became Chrissies kept man.
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Old 27-05-2016, 15:15
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Up untill a few months ago Lawrence was mostly a decent guy, he was awful to Alicia but it came from trying to Protect his grandson, it was horrible but understandable and doesn't make him anywhere near Roberts level.

Speaking of that rent boy Robert hired, do you think they're were potentially ex colleagues. He told Robert he had "landed on his feet" giving the impression him and Robert was on the same level untill Robert became Chrissies kept man.
I don't think Robert was a rent boy if that's what you mean, although he did work for Lawrence maybe sales manager was a fictitious title and he was paid for other services
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Old 27-05-2016, 15:43
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What happened to this, story?
it was announced way back in Feb 2015.

http://www.digitalspy.com/soaps/emme...tes-backstory/
Sounds like the OP doesn't watch Emmerdale
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Old 27-05-2016, 17:09
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I hope to god ED hasn't gone down the sensational route of having Ronnie as someone who slept with Lawrence's wife whilst having some kind of closet gay relationship with Lawrence at the same time!


I can't really get my head around Lawrence's abject horror about this either (not helped by John Bowe's OTT ham acting). A horror so strong that he's willing to send simple Sammeh out with a shotgun after Ronnie ???

There's just too much narrative here that doesn't ring true for me - there's been too many hints & clues thrown into storylines along the way with this - that don't all mesh together to make one whole story now.

We've been sold the story that the torture he recieved in prison has damaged his ability to be "intimate" (presumably with either sex) - this allows for the sexless marriage to Bernice storyline.
Then we get told that his daughter Rebecca could be his own daughter (suggesting that he, has indeed, been able to have intimate relations with his first wife)
We know he had an affair with Edna's husband in his youth - given that was surely the 60's, when being gay was seen as socially abhorrent and, indeed, a criminal offence - then his desire to be with a man (a married one at that) must have been very strong.
We were led to believe that this torture he was put through in prison made him suppress any desire he had for (or to be with) men - hence, the happily married man with a family presentation of him when he arrived in Emmerdale - and yet, along the way - they have dropped hints that this was not the case either. We had closeted Robert hinting very strongly that Lawrence had a "circle of friends" - and Robert had used this knowledge and his own "looks" to "charm" his way into Lawrence's business - and even into his family.
Now - we're being told that Lawrence has had some kind of affair with Ronnie (after he was tortured & released from prison).
Both of those last two "narrative" threads strongly suggest that Lawrence's homosexuality was never suppressed, but rather just kept to a clandestine existence outwith his "family"

If this IS the case - then that really makes his sexless marriage to Bernice storyline nothing more than a contrived plot - in 2016, why would a gay man in his late 60's / 70's (who presumably hasn't actually been celibate since he was tortured) even want to marry a much younger (and clearly sexual) woman, never mind actually get jealous at the notion she might be having an affair (jealous to the point of having Andy beaten and put in hospital!)


Lawrence is currently being written and behaving like its the 1960's and that being gay is still an abhorrent social crime (so bad that he's willing to threaten Ronnie with a shotgun) - and given the storyline that has surrounded him this past year (where no-one batted an eyelid that rampant heterosexual Robert was actually a closet gay guy), then Lawrence's behaviour just comes across as ridiculous!



At the moment - it just feels like the show is trying to cobble together a backstory here (for the sake of some immediate sensationalism), without even bothering to bring any continuity to the segments of Lawrence's "story" that have already been told.
It comes across to me that Lawrence has told himself that the aversion therapy turned him off sex, when in reality it just made him scared to own his true feelings. Now Ronnie' s here he' s having to face up to the fact that he' s lied to himself all of his life. What I don' t get is their earlier relationship. I could understand if they had a secret, shame - filled affair, but the hints we' re getting from Ronnie so far is that it was happy. I really hope that all of these scenes have just been teasers and that we will uncover the ' truth' about Lawrence He really seems to despise his attraction to men - but deep down is that because he associates it with jail, and aversion therapy, and somehow thinks that could happen again (because people are not always rational in their fears and anxieties). I just wonder how much of the violence and anger comes from realising that he has been kidding himself for years, basically believing the homophobic message he got in prison ( or being afraid to acknowledge that it was wrong)and being scared to face up to this? I think John Bowe' s been pretty good -whatever is upsetting Lawrence, it' s making him think that Ronnie could ruin his life - and this has come across.

I' m hoping they' re going to fill in gaps over the next few weeks, and that what they' ve been doing is deliberately showing Lawrence to be a but of a mystery, so at this point they can start to fill in some gaps. I may be severely disappointed, I know

Tbh though I' d still prefer that to more Robron or David' s slightly mawkish cancer story
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Old 27-05-2016, 17:14
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It comes across to me that Lawrence has told himself that the aversion therapy turned him off sex, when in reality it just made him scared to own his true feelings. Now Ronnie' s here he' s having to face up to the fact that he' s lied to himself all of his life. What I don' t get is their earlier relationship. I could understand if they had a secret, shame - filled affair, but the hints we' re getting from Ronnie so far is that it was happy. I really hope that all of these scenes have just been teasers and that we will uncover the ' truth' about Lawrence He really seems to despise his attraction to men - but deep down is that because he associates it with jail, and aversion therapy, and somehow thinks that could happen again (because people are not always rational in their fears and anxieties). I just wonder how much of the violence and anger comes from realising that he has been kidding himself for years, basically believing the homophobic message he got in prison ( or being afraid to acknowledge that it was wrong)and being scared to face up to this? I think John Bowe' s been pretty good -whatever is upsetting Lawrence, it' s making him think that Ronnie could ruin his life - and this has come across.

I' m hoping they' re going to fill in gaps over the next few weeks, and that what they' ve been doing is deliberately showing Lawrence to be a but of a mystery, so at this point they can start to fill in some gaps. I may be severely disappointed, I know

Tbh though I' d still prefer that to more Robron or David' s slightly mawkish cancer story
But it's been Implied that he wanted Robert, so he must have been aware he was still attracted to men.
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Old 27-05-2016, 17:17
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Sounds like the OP doesn't watch Emmerdale
Sounds like you can't read.
As I was referring to Laurence getting his rid of his conviction, for being gay.
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