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Results:Do You Think The Removal Of The Quater Final Replay's Is A Good Thing?
Yes
50 (42.02%)
No
52 (43.70%)
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The FA Cup 2016-17
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sat-ire
09-12-2016
Originally Posted by Steve Williams:
“They can show all the matches, on Match of the Day. You wouldn't be able to guarantee upsets unless all matches are shown live. Chelsea vs Bradford and Man City vs Middlesbrough two seasons ago were big upsets, and not shown live. If Chelsea vs Bradford can be an upset, why not Man U vs Reading?.”

Brilliant point, and what bigger scalp than Manchester United, or Liverpool?

As with all things football there is always tons of hindsightism.
DUHO
09-12-2016
MUFC have been drawn at home in the third round against lower league opposition last season AND this.

There is no way either of those games should have been televised live as there were better options. And as for tuning in to watch them get beat the chances of that happening would be less than nil anyway so why bother

we may as well say they will be televised EVERY FA CUP TIE they play
Steve Williams
09-12-2016
Originally Posted by Judio:
“Can anyone confirm Bbc final score on the Sunday ???”

I can CONFIRM there won't be one. Because they're showing a live game at four o'clock.
sat-ire
09-12-2016
Originally Posted by Steve Williams:
“They can show all the matches, on Match of the Day. You wouldn't be able to guarantee upsets unless all matches are shown live. Chelsea vs Bradford and Man City vs Middlesbrough two seasons ago were big upsets, and not shown live. If Chelsea vs Bradford can be an upset, why not Man U vs Reading?
.”

Brilliant point - and what bigger scalp than Manchester United or Liverpool.

Originally Posted by Gray77:
“I don't understand the logic of those saying that the BBC should ignore big teams. Shouldn't they pick the games that they think the most people will watch? Isn't that the point of sport on FTA, namely that it's stuff that lots of people want to see. I have no issue with them opting for West Ham v Man City. It's an attractive tie, it will get good ratings and will open the weekend well. Spurs v Villa is a weird one, but if BT have opted for Arsenal and Liverpool with Picks 2 and 3 then maybe BBC thought better of picking a dreary looking Man United game and instead went with a game that they thought would get more interest. Again, no issue with that.
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Liverpool's rather unappealing tie was picked ahead of Manchester United's rather unappealing tie? And Manchester United were picked last so weren't the first pick of either broadcaster?

Will this resonate at all though?

On the point of the BBC I guess the argument might be that they need to cater for all licence fee payers not just a majority, but I personally agree with your point.
sat-ire
09-12-2016
Originally Posted by DUHO:
“MUFC have been drawn at home in the third round against lower league opposition last season AND this.

There is no way either of those games should have been televised live as there were better options. And as for tuning in to watch them get beat the chances of that happening would be less than nil anyway so why bother

we may as well say they will be televised EVERY FA CUP TIE they play”

And Liverpool?
TLG86
09-12-2016
Originally Posted by sat-ire:
“Liverpool's rather unappealing tie was picked ahead of Manchester United's rather unappealing tie? And Manchester United were picked last so weren't the first pick of either broadcaster?”

Can you prove this? I'd be willing to bet quite a lot of money on PNE v Arsenal and Man Utd v Reading being BT's second and third picks. BT are showing Liverpool's game with Man City on New Year's Eve and have Liverpool v Swansea on 21 January. A Man Utd game, therefore would be of much more value to them.

And, for what it's worth, I think the Man Utd game is more appealing than the Liverpool tie.

EDIT: And it's worth noting that the BBC got the Sunday 16:00 slot which suggests they picked Spurs v Villa before BT picked Liverpool v Newport or Plymouth.
sat-ire
09-12-2016
Originally Posted by TLG86:
“Can you prove this? I'd be willing to bet quite a lot of money on PNE v Arsenal and Man Utd v Reading being BT's second and third picks. BT are showing Liverpool's game with Man City on New Year's Eve and have Liverpool v Swansea on 21 January. A Man Utd game, therefore would be of much more value to them.

And, for what it's worth, I think the Man Utd game is more appealing than the Liverpool tie.”

I can't prove anything at all, I was responding to another's speculation. I guess we could look at timeslots mind...

I guarantee even if true it would still be the same outcome in terms of mock outrage.
TLG86
09-12-2016
Originally Posted by sat-ire:
“I can't prove anything at all, I was responding to another's speculation. I guess we could look at timeslots mind...

I guarantee even if true it would still be the same outcome in terms of mock outrage.”

Apologies, just referenced the time slots in my previous post.

Out of interest, are you a Man Utd fan? If you are, you really shouldn't take any of this to heart. Bottom line is Man Utd is biggest club in the country, followed by Liverpool. Both teams are probably picked more often than they should be, but that's not their fault.
Judio
09-12-2016
The biggest problem is the TV money
Why give 144000 to Man U when a club like Barrow or Sutton have earned it by winning through to round 3

They need to change the TV pot around
wolvesdavid
09-12-2016
Originally Posted by sat-ire:
“Whether Liverpool have played more often or not is irrelevant, I used it is a reference to show that they are actually on as, often, and indeed more than Manchester United.

I'm pointing out the hypocrisy at play. Liverpool get picked every round by the TV companies too - which is the relevant point - where's the faux outrage for them?

Let's get this straight. I am not complaining that Liverpool are shown so often, I understand precisely why it happens.”

Liverpool are not picked every time they play though.
Robbedin73
09-12-2016
Originally Posted by TLG86:
“Apologies, just referenced the time slots in my previous post.

Out of interest, are you a Man Utd fan? If you are, you really shouldn't take any of this to heart. Bottom line is Man Utd is biggest club in the country, followed by Liverpool. Both teams are probably picked more often than they should be, but that's not their fault.”

Same as Leeds in the Championship not because they are any good (well.last few seasons anyway ) it's because they get highest viewing figures outside pl and thsts what sky is about not interested in football at all but how much Murdoch corporation van fleece out of you
sat-ire
09-12-2016
Originally Posted by TLG86:
“Apologies, just referenced the time slots in my previous post.

Out of interest, are you a Man Utd fan? If you are, you really shouldn't take any of this to heart. Bottom line is Man Utd is biggest club in the country, followed by Liverpool. Both teams are probably picked more often than they should be, but that's not their fault.”

I am, but trust me, I don't. It is not me making the picks for TV after all.

Whilst this is obviously all about Manchester United, I'm highlighting the hypocrisy of people who claim it isn't by pointing out that any criticism of the TV companies about the situation with MUFC equally applies to Liverpool, who seem to escape the attention for some unknown reason.
sat-ire
09-12-2016
Originally Posted by wolvesdavid:
“Liverpool are not picked every time they play though.”

It's an interesting use of the word "every" given the context.
Robbedin73
09-12-2016
Originally Posted by Judio:
“The biggest problem is the TV money
Why give 144000 to Man U when a club like Barrow or Sutton have earned it by winning through to round 3

They need to change the TV pot around”

Because nobody in Cornwall/Devon. Will.be interested in eiher barrow or Sutton or other far away places but they will be to see likes of man utd . Liverpool etc
wolvesdavid
09-12-2016
Originally Posted by sat-ire:
“They are.”

They aren't.
DUHO
09-12-2016
Originally Posted by sat-ire:
“And Liverpool?”

Liverpool were at Exeter in the third round last season

I do think replays are a slightly (only slightly ) different argument as I concede the replay at Anfield was shown
sat-ire
09-12-2016
Originally Posted by wolvesdavid:
“They aren't.”

Want to do this dance all day?

As I say, it's an interesting use of the word "every" given the context.

Not being picked twice in eleven years is as close to every as you're likely to get, Manchester United aside.

But, hey, instead of fleshing out a debate let's go for meticulousness of language instead.
wolvesdavid
09-12-2016
It was yourself that said Liverpool were always picked. I simply said that they weren't, before you replied that they were (although you edited your post before I could reply.) I was just pointing out that Liverpool are not always picked.

(If anyone is in any doubt by the way, it should be made clear that Liverpool are not always picked for every FA Cup tie.)

I don't think Liverpool v Newport or Plymouth should be on TV by the way.
wolvesdavid
09-12-2016
As I also said, it depends on how far a team gets in the competition, the state of the draw and also the tie itself. There are probably not many Manchester United matches I wouldn't have picked, and obviously from the Quarter Final onwards all matches are shown anyway. It can also depend on replays.

Anyway I am about to do some further research on the subject.
TLG86
09-12-2016
Can anyone remember the last time Liverpool weren't shown live in the FA Cup?
wolvesdavid
09-12-2016
I can actually - Liverpool v Oldham in the FA Cup 3rd round in the 2013-2014 season. (Oh ok, I looked it up.)
sat-ire
09-12-2016
Originally Posted by wolvesdavid:
“It was yourself that said Liverpool were always picked. I simply said that they weren't, before you replied that they were (although you edited your post before I could reply.) I was just pointing out that Liverpool are not always picked.

(If anyone is in any doubt by the way, it should be made clear that Liverpool are not always picked for every FA Cup tie.)

I don't think Liverpool v Newport or Plymouth should be on TV by the way.”

The beauty of the English language is that not everything should necessarily be taken at its most literal
sat-ire
09-12-2016
Originally Posted by wolvesdavid:
“As I also said, it depends on how far a team gets in the competition, the state of the draw and also the tie itself. There are probably not many Manchester United matches I wouldn't have picked, and obviously from the Quarter Final onwards all matches are shown anyway. It can also depend on replays.

Anyway I am about to do some further research on the subject.”

If you ran a TV company you'd've picked them all, and all Liverpool games too
wolvesdavid
09-12-2016
Obviously I don't run a TV company though.

The most disgraceful decision in the history of the TV picks though was Setanta not picking Kettering v Fulham.
sat-ire
09-12-2016
Originally Posted by wolvesdavid:
“Obviously I don't run a TV company though.
.”

Which is why I said "if"

But I was again making the point that criticism of the TV companies for doing their business in the best way possible is futile.
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