Ah - I love their friendship and they shared some fantastic scenes in tonights E4 episode 
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Sidenote:- Sienna was fierce in tonight's E4.
.Sidenote:- Sienna was fierce in tonight's E4.
Hollyoaks - E4 Eppy- Esther and Grace.
They have been good together, apart from when Esther stole Grace's baby.
I also liked the 'friendship' with Grace and Sienna, although it was clearly one sided as Sienna just wanted to be closer to Trevor.
Hopefully they can get passed it and become actual friends, Sienna needs friends!
I also liked the 'friendship' with Grace and Sienna, although it was clearly one sided as Sienna just wanted to be closer to Trevor.
Hopefully they can get passed it and become actual friends, Sienna needs friends!
Let's be fair they have a phenomenal bond that is Curtis. I hope that this doesn't break up Esther and Kim and that Grace can be accepting of Kim being around. Both Grace and Kim need all the friends they can get at the moment.
Grave is such a good example of writers listening to the audience. As she was in her first six months she had a very short shelf life but after they killed Sandy and humanised her a bit with the baby story it bought her out as a really amazing character. I love that she's kind of this campy villainess that's always routing for the underdog now.
Originally Posted by vkmax:
“Grave is such a good example of writers listening to the audience. As she was in her first six months she had a very short shelf life but after they killed Sandy and humanised her a bit with the baby story it bought her out as a really amazing character. I love that she's kind of this campy villainess that's always routing for the underdog now.”
“Grave is such a good example of writers listening to the audience. As she was in her first six months she had a very short shelf life but after they killed Sandy and humanised her a bit with the baby story it bought her out as a really amazing character. I love that she's kind of this campy villainess that's always routing for the underdog now.”
Grace is very much a woman who is the product of her upbringing and struggles to understand life beyond it despite her best efforts. The number of times she told Trevor to "man up" and sees the solution to many things as violence if not murder. Despite Grace's undoubted love for Curtis if I were Esther I'd be very fearful of how Grace's ethics trickle down to him.
Speaking of Curtis did Grace ever actually adopt him or did he just live with her and Trevor by virtue of the fact Trevor was the official father? I don't think legally genetics come into it from Grace's perspective. Whilst I can't see Esther taking Curtis away from Grace, certainly not in the short term, I wonder if it will resurface as an issue later like if Grace and Trevor weren't legally married then Curtis is his next of kin and benefactor.
Originally Posted by Reo:
“They have been good together, apart from when Esther stole Grace's baby.
I also liked the 'friendship' with Grace and Sienna, although it was clearly one sided as Sienna just wanted to be closer to Trevor.
Hopefully they can get passed it and become actual friends, Sienna needs friends!”
“They have been good together, apart from when Esther stole Grace's baby.
I also liked the 'friendship' with Grace and Sienna, although it was clearly one sided as Sienna just wanted to be closer to Trevor.
Hopefully they can get passed it and become actual friends, Sienna needs friends!”
She was friends with Leela at one point but the writers seem to have completely forgotten this!
Originally Posted by Tweety Pie:
“She was friends with Leela at one point but the writers seem to have completely forgotten this!”
“She was friends with Leela at one point but the writers seem to have completely forgotten this!”
Oh god yeah! Didn't Leela help her track down Nico???
Some friend Leela was....
Originally Posted by spikewoman:
“Grace is very much a woman who is the product of her upbringing and struggles to understand life beyond it despite her best efforts. The number of times she told Trevor to "man up" and sees the solution to many things as violence if not murder. Despite Grace's undoubted love for Curtis if I were Esther I'd be very fearful of how Grace's ethics trickle down to him.
Speaking of Curtis did Grace ever actually adopt him or did he just live with her and Trevor by virtue of the fact Trevor was the official father? I don't think legally genetics come into it from Grace's perspective. Whilst I can't see Esther taking Curtis away from Grace, certainly not in the short term, I wonder if it will resurface as an issue later like if Grace and Trevor weren't legally married then Curtis is his next of kin and benefactor.”
“Grace is very much a woman who is the product of her upbringing and struggles to understand life beyond it despite her best efforts. The number of times she told Trevor to "man up" and sees the solution to many things as violence if not murder. Despite Grace's undoubted love for Curtis if I were Esther I'd be very fearful of how Grace's ethics trickle down to him.
Speaking of Curtis did Grace ever actually adopt him or did he just live with her and Trevor by virtue of the fact Trevor was the official father? I don't think legally genetics come into it from Grace's perspective. Whilst I can't see Esther taking Curtis away from Grace, certainly not in the short term, I wonder if it will resurface as an issue later like if Grace and Trevor weren't legally married then Curtis is his next of kin and benefactor.”
Yes, as much as I hated it when she told Trevor to 'man up' when he was really suffering, I think that was unusually good (for the current regime) writing/characterization. Even though she truly loved Trevor, that is exactly the kind of thing that someone like Grace would say.
