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Old 29-05-2016, 09:14
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i dont get it neither

killing people because of what a government tells you, and fighting an enemy with hopelessly inadequate weapans its not womthing to be venerated.

WW2 vets yes, current "soldiers" - heck no.
Same as. I do not feel that not giving two hoots about the people whom invade countries against my wishes makes me any less patriotic.
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Old 29-05-2016, 09:17
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If he did feel the need to wheel out an old war veteran he could have at least incorporated him into an actual trick. Say he opened a wardrobe or box which was empty and then voila there he is.
I agree, Brummy Girl. Then it would have a magic trick not just announcing someone on stage.
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Old 29-05-2016, 09:19
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were we really only celebrating a person who has got lucky and reached the age of 97?

was that the act?
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Old 29-05-2016, 09:24
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were we really only celebrating a person who has got lucky and reached the age of 97?

was that the act?
I really wish someone would explain blow by blow where the 'magic' was. I sat, watched and waited last night and was left wanting. I actually couldn't believe that him putting the hat on was the end of the trick, I thought he was going to do something with the war vet. Never before has an act ever deteriorated so much from their first audition, it was like watching a different bloke.
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Old 29-05-2016, 09:24
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What possible reason would ITV or Syco have for getting involved in the EU referendum?
You tell me..

So why exactly was Jenkins there singing two very patriotic songs.

Why were there constant shots of Union Jacks.

It was a talent show.

But you could be forgiven for thinking it was something else.
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Old 29-05-2016, 09:35
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I really wish someone would explain blow by blow where the 'magic' was. I sat, watched and waited last night and was left wanting. I actually couldn't believe that him putting the hat on was the end of the trick, I thought he was going to do something with the war vet. Never before has an act ever deteriorated so much from their first audition, it was like watching a different bloke.
as i have pointed out in another thred here

he ripped off his audition from paul daniels, the semi final (it was identical, even down to the autobiography of a judge) from americas got talent, and ripped off the soldier deck trick in the final.

i think there will be a huge fallout from this, when people realise they have been duped.
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Old 29-05-2016, 09:52
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as i have pointed out in another thred here

he ripped off his audition from paul daniels, the semi final (it was identical, even down to the autobiography of a judge) from americas got talent, and ripped off the soldier deck trick in the final.

i think there will be a huge fallout from this, when people realise they have been duped.
That doesn't answer my question. I asked where the magic was
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Old 29-05-2016, 10:23
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I agree, Brummy Girl. Then it would have a magic trick not just announcing someone on stage.
What like Fire him out of a cannon or something
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Old 29-05-2016, 11:10
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That doesn't answer my question. I asked where the magic was
There wasn't any. As I said a few posts up, it was basic 'grade one' card shuffling that any amateur magician starting out would, and should, be able to do.

The whole act was designed to exploit his background and promote patriotism. It couldn't have been any less cynical if he'd whipped off his trousers to reveal union jack underwear

Obviously I'm not saying patriotism is a bad thing of course, but he exploited that to maximum effect to cover up the fact that he is, in reality, an incredibly average magician.
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Old 29-05-2016, 11:17
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as i have pointed out in another thred here

he ripped off his audition from paul daniels, the semi final (it was identical, even down to the autobiography of a judge) from americas got talent, and ripped off the soldier deck trick in the final.

i think there will be a huge fallout from this, when people realise they have been duped.
Dont talk bollocks. I doubt he's even seen PD do that trick,I was a huge fan of his when he was on TV and I cant recall it. Plus it was at least 35 years ago.How old is Jones?

The ripped page from book is done the same by hundred of magicians,the guy on AGT didnt set fir to page so it wasnt the same.
Lastly it wasnt the soldier deck.

So basically magician does something other magicians have done and we should be outraged?
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Old 29-05-2016, 11:18
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Quite right. What he did he was good at.
He wasn't good at it though. His magic skills were poor.
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Old 29-05-2016, 11:27
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Dont talk bollocks. I doubt he's even seen PD do that trick,I was a huge fan of his when he was on TV and I cant recall it. Plus it was at least 35 years ago.How old is Jones?

The ripped page from book is done the same by hundred of magicians,the guy on AGT didnt set fir to page so it wasnt the same.
Lastly it wasnt the soldier deck.

So basically magician does something other magicians have done and we should be outraged?
it was a rip off

i know you will defend magicians, but sometimes, you have to admit that others rip others off.

Do you honestly think he has never seen Paul daniels doing the silhouette trick or the magic kettle routine?

I dont believe he has not seen the magician from AGT doing the same routine as him, and i dont believe he hasnt seen soldier deck.
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Old 29-05-2016, 12:00
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it was a rip off

i know you will defend magicians, but sometimes, you have to admit that others rip others off.

Do you honestly think he has never seen Paul daniels doing the silhouette trick or the magic kettle routine?

I dont believe he has not seen the magician from AGT doing the same routine as him, and i dont believe he hasnt seen soldier deck.
There was no rip off. I didnt see Jones use a magic kettle? Are you crazy or something,it was a totally different trick.
Where would he have seen Paul Daniels do that trick with the cutting? Is it on youtube? Do you think PD was first person to ever do it? Did he invent it? NO.

Stop being a fool.
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Old 29-05-2016, 12:02
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It's so embarrassing how many brainless people were so easily manipulated into voting for such a shite act. Disgraceful, he's an even worse winner than that Scottish male singer who's name I can't remember
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Old 29-05-2016, 12:12
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I still can't believe that the worst act on the night won the thing. His "act" basically seemed to be going on about how he and his other family members were soldiers in the British army and how grateful and awe inspired we should be about that. Oh and btw here's a bit of amateur conjuring to justify my presence in the competition.

As someone else suggested the only explanation for his win is that everyone connected with the armed forces gave him their 5 votes which would have added up to quite a lot

All makes a bit of a mockery of the whole thing though.

On the plus side I thought the previous winners combined performance with diversity etc was great.
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Old 29-05-2016, 12:31
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There was no rip off. I didnt see Jones use a magic kettle? Are you crazy or something,it was a totally different trick.
Where would he have seen Paul Daniels do that trick with the cutting? Is it on youtube? Do you think PD was first person to ever do it? Did he invent it? NO.

Stop being a fool.
Of course he would have seen it. Not that it really matters as magicians use existing tricks all the time, which is fine as long as they present them well or with a new spin on things.

I have no issue with his audition as he did present existing tricks well. The problem is the trick in the final is a very basic one that almost any amateur magician will know (and many members of the public as well). He did not even do it well. It was no where near good enough to win.

We all know wheeling out the old solider won it for him. A thoroughly cynical and undeserving winner.
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Old 29-05-2016, 12:40
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I think what is so annoying is that through the whole weeks of auditions Cowell's comments were constantly that we need to see something no-one has ever done before, something new etc etc.
I'm gob smacked he won.
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Old 29-05-2016, 12:49
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I feel really bad for saying this, but when he revealed the WWII veteran, I though the big magic trick was that he had magicked Max Clifford out of prison.
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Old 29-05-2016, 13:01
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The whole military tie-in was deeply manipulative but he wasn't the only person guilty of such cynicism.
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Old 29-05-2016, 14:28
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I suppose if you think about it, he did perform quite a spectacular trick last night - he used the art of misdirection to convince the voting public he was actually a decent magician ..
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Old 29-05-2016, 14:40
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My son asked why the winner didn't "do his act again - or another trick" when he was announced the winner. Does the BGT winner normally do their act again when the result is announced?
I think if it takes too much time to set up the winner's performance, they don't perform at the end. Richard's act included Fergus and other people on stage for it, not just the card trick. Instead the show stalls by talking to the judges/acts to waste time before revealing the winner.

Jules and Matisse didn't perform last year with the tightrope and everything but Ashleigh and Pudsey did since they only had a few things for their performance.

Also IMO seeing a magician doing the same act twice (especially in the same day) will never be as good as seeing it the first time since you know what to expect.
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Old 29-05-2016, 14:56
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So Jules shouldn't have included a dog in her act because it had the misfortune of having its leg removed? I don't take pity on three legged dogs, if they're still living their lives to the full. How is that in any way the same as revolving your whole act around the fact that you USED yo be a soldier?
Nice assumptions you've made there. At what point did I say Jules should t have used the dog? At what point did I say she was wrong to use a three legged dog?

You don't take pity on three legged dogs. So you're assuming the rest of the voting public feel identically to yourself and not one voter watched Jules and thought 'Bless, look at that little dog!' Then voted for them. Not a single one?

I loved Jules last year and thought it was incredibly smart to play on the 'ah bless' vote. Just as I thought Richard was smart to play on the patriot vote. At the end of the day he's 250k better off for it.

I likened them because they both specifically targeted a certain demographic. Jules to the bleeding heart dog lovers (of which I am one btw) and Richard to the overly patriotic Rule Britania crowd. You know full well what I meant, unless of course, you're incredibly dim. But feel free to be as pedantic as you like. Just do me a favour and stop putting words in my mouth, then twisting them.
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Old 29-05-2016, 15:25
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I feel really bad for saying this, but when he revealed the WWII veteran, I though the big magic trick was that he had magicked Max Clifford out of prison.
Would have been better still if he'd conjured up Rolf Harris singing 'Two Little Boys'
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Old 29-05-2016, 17:49
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There was no rip off. I didnt see Jones use a magic kettle? Are you crazy or something,it was a totally different trick.
Where would he have seen Paul Daniels do that trick with the cutting? Is it on youtube? Do you think PD was first person to ever do it? Did he invent it? NO.

Stop being a fool.
There is no need for personal insults, they are against forum rules

Are you suggesting that the cup of tea from the can was not a variation of the magic kettle?

And yes, the Paul Daniels cutting is on YouTube, as were all of soldier Richards tricks. Some have even been used in Americas got talent!

Of course he has seen it, and ripped it off.

I'm well aware magicians steal things or use shop purchases, like Dynamo, but to copy a whole routine three times on a talent show is too far.

Now we hear he is quitting the army for a "career" in magic. What a joke.
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Old 29-05-2016, 18:01
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Are you suggesting that the cup of tea from the can was not a variation of the magic kettle?
Yes. It was nothing like. Magic kettle is any drink which is named is poured from a kettle.
And yes, the Paul Daniels cutting is on YouTube, as were all of soldier Richards tricks. Some have even been used in Americas got talent!
So? Does that mean no one else can perform them? You do know they are all marketed effects not invented by either Oz Pearlman(AGT) or Paul Daniels-the cutting paper trick was invented by Theodore Annemann,so by your logic Paul Daniels stole it
Of course he has seen it, and ripped it off.
You have no proof. Many magicians perform those tricks

I'm well aware magicians steal things or use shop purchases, like Dynamo, but to copy a whole routine three times on a talent show is too far.
Just as well he didnt then.

Now we hear he is quitting the army for a "career" in magic. What a joke.
Your logic is the joke.
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