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Old 29-05-2016, 18:15
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To be honest the whole "magic" part of the act was shambolically performed.

1. comes on stage with deck of cards stacked so cards to match story are at top of deck and picture backed cards at bottom
2. does worst fake shuffle of deck I have ever witnessed maintaining cards in same order
3. takes cards off top of deck in the order that matches his story
4. get judge to pick card and sign it
5. does awful card switch when fumbling folding card vertically then horizontally
6. rips up the switched card and disposes it under guise of getting lighter
7. opens up the card he didnt rip up (the signed by Amanda card)
8. spreads the cards at bottom of pack on table in columns (even that was done badly)
9. runs onto stage and shows us man that has been standing behind curtain

So....
The tricks themselves were unimpressive
The skill level required (as performed) is pretty basic but Richard hasn't mastered those skills yet
The patter was delivered badly.

His talent was about as great as a kid who has practised for about three minutes with the multiplying sponge balls or shell and pea components of "My first ever magic set"
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Old 29-05-2016, 18:30
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To be honest the whole "magic" part of the act was shambolically performed.

1. comes on stage with deck of cards stacked so cards to match story are at top of deck and picture backed cards at bottom
2. does worst fake shuffle of deck I have ever witnessed maintaining cards in same order
3. takes cards off top of deck in the order that matches his story
4. get judge to pick card and sign it
5. does awful card switch when fumbling folding card vertically then horizontally
6. rips up the switched card and disposes it under guise of getting lighter
7. opens up the card he didnt rip up (the signed by Amanda card)
8. spreads the cards at bottom of pack on table in columns (even that was done badly)
9. runs onto stage and shows us man that has been standing behind curtain

So....
The tricks themselves were unimpressive
The skill level required (as performed) is pretty basic but Richard hasn't mastered those skills yet
The patter was delivered badly.

His talent was about as great as a kid who has practised for about three minutes with the multiplying sponge balls or shell and pea components of "My first ever magic set"
Yes, something that has gotten lost in all this is that he is not a particularly good magician.

He performed a fairly basic card trick last night but fluffed the majority of it (and was rewarded with £250k and a spot at the Royal Variety for his trouble)
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Old 29-05-2016, 18:34
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Thought it was just cheap card tricks and over sentimental.
I agree 100%. The magic part of the act was short and boring, and he only won because of the soppy 'war hero' shit in the act!

Jasmine woz robbed!
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Old 29-05-2016, 18:36
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disappointing
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Old 29-05-2016, 19:46
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It was shit. Over patriotic pish. A nonsense

Compare that to alex for examplw
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Old 29-05-2016, 20:54
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I agree wholeheartedly with Mellick. I've loved magic since I was a young child watching magicians perform in our little Dartmoor village hall. I dislike seeing magic so badly presented and performed. Richard seems to have ambitions way beyond his talent. If he leaves the army, he will have no sentimentality to use as a crutch.
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Old 29-05-2016, 21:15
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To be honest the whole "magic" part of the act was shambolically performed.

1. comes on stage with deck of cards stacked so cards to match story are at top of deck and picture backed cards at bottom
2. does worst fake shuffle of deck I have ever witnessed maintaining cards in same order
3. takes cards off top of deck in the order that matches his story
4. get judge to pick card and sign it
5. does awful card switch when fumbling folding card vertically then horizontally
6. rips up the switched card and disposes it under guise of getting lighter
7. opens up the card he didnt rip up (the signed by Amanda card)
8. spreads the cards at bottom of pack on table in columns (even that was done badly)
9. runs onto stage and shows us man that has been standing behind curtain

So....
The tricks themselves were unimpressive
The skill level required (as performed) is pretty basic but Richard hasn't mastered those skills yet
The patter was delivered badly.

His talent was about as great as a kid who has practised for about three minutes with the multiplying sponge balls or shell and pea components of "My first ever magic set"
Yes, something that has gotten lost in all this is that he is not a particularly good magician.

He performed a fairly basic card trick last night but fluffed the majority of it (and was rewarded with £250k and a spot at the Royal Variety for his trouble)
The magic part of the act was short and boring, and he only won because of the soppy 'war hero' shit in the act
Spot on assessment. His magic ability was totally shit last night. Dynamo could have done better!
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Old 29-05-2016, 21:48
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Thing is, i think until there's a method of judging the eventual winner from the point of the first audition up to, and including, the final performance, then you're going to get things like this happening.

You could have someone who performs consistently well from the very first time they appear all the way to the end and then someone else comes out and pulls a stunt like this in the final and walks away with it.
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Old 29-05-2016, 21:50
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With Brexit referendum coming up in June,

I actually thought that a lot of the show was made to make us feel very Patriotic.
There was also Simon's blatant plea on behalf of Project Fear after the shuffling stormtroopers. "Britain has always been a place for all colours and creeds, and also aliens..." or something like that, as if wanting to leave the European Union makes you a Nazi.

If you were a conspiracy theorist you could argue the whole thing was to stoke pro-Establishment "better together" feeling and thereby the Remain vote, but I think it's more likely to have just been mawkish guff of the stuff that BGT has made its name with. Acting like an Opportunity Knocks knock-off is some sort of national event.
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Old 29-05-2016, 23:48
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There was also Simon's blatant plea on behalf of Project Fear after the shuffling stormtroopers. "Britain has always been a place for all colours and creeds, and also aliens..." or something like that, as if wanting to leave the European Union makes you a Nazi.

If you were a conspiracy theorist you could argue the whole thing was to stoke pro-Establishment "better together" feeling and thereby the Remain vote, but I think it's more likely to have just been mawkish guff of the stuff that BGT has made its name with. Acting like an Opportunity Knocks knock-off is some sort of national event.
I thought the pro-British Military aspect was opportunistic and very cheesy. I've no doubt though that was down to Cowell and the producers. It was a bit weird : it was as if the public were being asked to vote for the British Army and war veterans.
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Old 30-05-2016, 00:08
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To be honest the whole "magic" part of the act was shambolically performed.

1. comes on stage with deck of cards stacked so cards to match story are at top of deck and picture backed cards at bottom
2. does worst fake shuffle of deck I have ever witnessed maintaining cards in same order
3. takes cards off top of deck in the order that matches his story
4. get judge to pick card and sign it
5. does awful card switch when fumbling folding card vertically then horizontally
6. rips up the switched card and disposes it under guise of getting lighter
7. opens up the card he didnt rip up (the signed by Amanda card)
8. spreads the cards at bottom of pack on table in columns (even that was done badly)
9. runs onto stage and shows us man that has been standing behind curtain

So....
The tricks themselves were unimpressive
The skill level required (as performed) is pretty basic but Richard hasn't mastered those skills yet
The patter was delivered badly.

His talent was about as great as a kid who has practised for about three minutes with the multiplying sponge balls or shell and pea components of "My first ever magic set"
Clearly you think you are better than the winner so, on that basis, I take it that we can look forward to another magic act winning next year
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Old 30-05-2016, 01:24
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No he wasnt very exciting and his final act mawkish and OTT, but to pull his tricks apart just because you have rewound Sky plus a dozen times isnt a very convincing argument.
Same as last year when Jamie Raven was hung out to dry because his lemon had a hole in it.
He got up there on live TV final ,and probably wanted a trick that was fairly easy to do,less chance of the thing going wrong. He deserves credit for that much.End of the day he isn't a professional, of the three finalists Id rather have him win than a singer or a silly gimmick dance troupe.

End of rant
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Old 30-05-2016, 08:41
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Someone asked in another thread if Richard deserved to win the show. I've come to the conclusion that he did. It was an extremely mediocre field tonight. I know it's always tempting to go all rabbinical and say that everything is worse than it was last year, but it really is true. Any one of the acts on stage for the 10th anniversary revue would have cleaned up if they'd entered this year, and probably taken a 50%+ vote. And yes, I include Stavros Flatley in that. Would people have voted for a guy who looks like he puts on his military uniform when he goes shopping over Diversity? Not a chance in hell.

Richard deserved it in the sense that he calculated that in an average field, a bit of flag-waving and "Support Our Troops" mawkishness would win the day and he was right. I agree with Samuel Johnson that patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel, but you can't deny it's effective.

The little girl who had the angel wings in the semis was the best act and her final performance wasn't nearly as good, I've already forgotten what the song was.
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Old 30-05-2016, 09:27
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Yes. It was nothing like. Magic kettle is any drink which is named is poured from a kettle.
and instead he used a can

obviously nothing like the magic kettle trick then!

he err "borrowed" the tricks and performed them badly

I would have loved a magician to have won BGT, i love magic as do you.

I just prefer tricks to have been invented by the magician (or at least changed the method enough for it to be considered a development) a or presented well in a different way.

This guy took someone elses audition from AGT and did it almost word for work in BGT

where is the talent?

his one trick, a basic card switch, in the final was horrible. it was horrible at normal speed, it was awful slowed down.

it was not botched as badly as the lemon last year though, that was a complete mess.
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Old 30-05-2016, 11:49
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and instead he used a can

obviously nothing like the magic kettle trick then!
Do you read what I write? Again magic kettle is ANY drink called for is poured out. FREE CHOICE.

he err "borrowed" the tricks and performed them badly
He didnt borrow or steal anything,he used tricks that were freely on sale.

I would have loved a magician to have won BGT, i love magic as do you.

I just prefer tricks to have been invented by the magician (or at least changed the method enough for it to be considered a development) a or presented well in a different way.

This guy took someone elses audition from AGT and did it almost word for work in BGT

where is the talent?
Your opinion,which isnt true,and he did change the routines.
his one trick, a basic card switch, in the final was horrible. it was horrible at normal speed, it was awful slowed down.

it was not botched as badly as the lemon last year though, that was a complete mess.
In your opinion.
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Old 30-05-2016, 12:11
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of course in my opinion, just like you have your opinion.

I know you like to believe you are the forum magic expert, but others are also entitled to their opinion even if they disagree with yours.
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Old 30-05-2016, 12:26
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Your opinion,which isnt true,and he did change the routines.

In your opinion.

of course in my opinion, just like you have your opinion.

I know you like to believe you are the forum magic expert, but others are also entitled to their opinion even if they disagree with yours.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Old 30-05-2016, 13:49
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of course in my opinion, just like you have your opinion.

I know you like to believe you are the forum magic expert, but others are also entitled to their opinion even if they disagree with yours.
Mine are facts.Big difference.

Something else to consider these shows have "magic advisers" so is it a coincidence AGT and BGT magicians do a similar trick?
You think Richard Jones came up with his finale routine by himself?
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Old 30-05-2016, 14:45
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Mine are facts.Big difference.

Something else to consider these shows have "magic advisers" so is it a coincidence AGT and BGT magicians do a similar trick?
You think Richard Jones came up with his finale routine by himself?
I'd say the mawkish military elements of the army band and WW2 veteran and Richard wearing his army uniform was totally down to Cowell and the producers.
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Old 30-05-2016, 15:15
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Who voted for this boring uncharismatic plonker ? The darby and joan club ?
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Old 30-05-2016, 15:40
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Surprised to see he was on The Chase. Video of him performing a card trick for Bradley on the show is on YouTube. The episode aired in March so probably filmed at the start of the year or late 2015. BGT auditions filmed in early 2016. So, was he spotted on that and asked to audition? Seems likely
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Old 30-05-2016, 15:52
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I just Youtubed the performance - was that it?
Very underwhelming for me complete with naff patriotism. I thought the part when they showed the old man behind the curtain was very cheesy.
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Old 30-05-2016, 17:23
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Mine are facts.Big difference.

Something else to consider these shows have "magic advisers" so is it a coincidence AGT and BGT magicians do a similar trick?
You think Richard Jones came up with his finale routine by himself?
So are you saying he didn't even bother stealing the routine himself?
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Old 30-05-2016, 18:52
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So are you saying he didn't even bother stealing the routine himself?
No one stole anything.The tricks are available to buy so therefore free for anyone to perform.
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Old 30-05-2016, 20:14
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The public vote was Richards. End of. If you thought differently that's your perogative. But Richard won fair and square because the public voted him. And I for one IMO am happy it went that way 🤗
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