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My LG OLED when you have a black screen it's seriously black, no light bleed at all. It looks as if it's actually turned off.
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Black levels were poor on all LCD TVs 10 years ago. I replaced a five year old, one four years ago and the improvement in black level and motion handling/smearing was remarkable. Current sets are even better if a recent set I purchased is anything to go by. All sets Sony by the way.
I recently changed my 8 year old Honda Civic for the latest version, it was much better as well, it's called progress. ![]() The point is OLED TVs are superior to today's LCD screens too. Now that LG have largely cracked the manufacturing process I expect the prices will fall over the next couple of years. And if LG are smart, they will allow other manufacturers to buy their panels and LCD (and edge lit so-called LED TVs) will eventually go the way of CRT. OLED is simply the best display technology around today. Sony gained their reputation way back through their Trinitron CRT technology and then continued with that because of their superior picture processing technologies. Sony need to offer OLED screens if they're to retain their reputation for making the best televisions. The Korean "upstarts" are snapping at their heels, and OLED has surpassed them. I had a Sony Trinitron TV for many years, and the Sony LCD I mentioned had the best picture processing around at the time. Both were excellent in their day and I was very happy with them. |
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My LG OLED when you have a black screen it's seriously black, no light bleed at all. It looks as if it's actually turned off.
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BIB: Well I never...!
![]() The point is OLED TVs are superior to today's LCD screens too. Now that LG have largely cracked the manufacturing process I expect the prices will fall over the next couple of years. And if LG are smart, they will allow other manufacturers to buy their panels and LCD (and edge lit so-called LED TVs) will eventually go the way of CRT. OLED is simply the best display technology around today. Sony gained their reputation way back through their Trinitron CRT technology and then continued with that because of their superior picture processing technologies. Sony need to offer OLED screens if they're to retain their reputation for making the best televisions. The Korean "upstarts" are snapping at their heels, and OLED has surpassed them. I had a Sony Trinitron TV for many years, and the Sony LCD I mentioned had the best picture processing around at the time. Both were excellent in their day and I was very happy with them. |
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BIB: Well I never...!
![]() The point is OLED TVs are superior to today's LCD screens too. Now that LG have largely cracked the manufacturing process I expect the prices will fall over the next couple of years. And if LG are smart, they will allow other manufacturers to buy their panels and LCD (and edge lit so-called LED TVs) will eventually go the way of CRT. OLED is simply the best display technology around today. Sony gained their reputation way back through their Trinitron CRT technology and then continued with that because of their superior picture processing technologies. Sony need to offer OLED screens if they're to retain their reputation for making the best televisions. The Korean "upstarts" are snapping at their heels, and OLED has surpassed them. I had a Sony Trinitron TV for many years, and the Sony LCD I mentioned had the best picture processing around at the time. Both were excellent in their day and I was very happy with them. |
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At the moment i have a this sony. https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&so...b-ysXuYfg8dV5g awesome tv. I'd like oled 4k tv next. I've never actually seen the picture on a oled. How do they handle motion because i watch a lot of football and f1?
I bought LG OLED55E6V as the only TV in the house to provide as near as possible the home cinema experience. In an ordinary lounge, with all the compromises that means. I don't watch a lot of sport (only Rugby League on Sky and BBC) but I've noticed no issues around motion so far. I've had it less than 2 weeks though, so I'm still in the honeymoon period. ![]() I did have an issue with "soap opera effect" (which makes films look more like they're shot on video) in "standard" mode, but changing to "expert mode (dark room)" or "expert mode (light room)" soon got rid of that. None of the other picture modes seemed of much use to me, though there is a dedicated "Sports" mode. Blu rays and 3D blu rays look fantastic. I can't speak to 4K performance yet - I'm about to take delivery of UHD Blu Ray player and discs soon. I do notice some posterizing on some dark content (e.g. GoT on Fox HD for example) which is annoying, but at the moment I'm assuming that's the compression the broadcasters use. I used to notice it on the Sony too. I don't see that on Blu Rays. Other than that, the main bug bear is the default pictures the TV displays when the source you've selected is not switched on! After a few seconds it displays a slide show of 4 pictures which you can't change. It's also a beautiful TV. The display itself has no true bezel and it looks like it's on a sheet of glass. |
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Already do, Panasonic and Samsung OLED's are LG screens as far as I know, all other internals are their own.
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^^ It's a beautiful TV, I've tried 4k from Amazon and it's very good, not sure I notice a massive difference though from HD, will have to wait for UHD Bluray to really see a difference. Bluray's upscaled even look good. I bought Gravity 3D (Never thought I'd buy a 3D disc) because the blacks are meant to be really good on this TV. I got around to watching it this weekend, it was superb, even the 3D.
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As far as I know Panasonic are the only one with a current OLED model. Maybe Philips had one? Didn't Samsung drop OLED when they found they couldn't get good yields?
Phillips have released details of their OLED's, launch isn't until later in the year. Let's hope OLED gains more momentum and eventually rids the high street of LCD. |
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Nice TV. If I'd been looking a couple of years ago I probably would have picked it. It looks beautiful too.
I bought LG OLED55E6V as the only TV in the house to provide as near as possible the home cinema experience. In an ordinary lounge, with all the compromises that means. I don't watch a lot of sport (only Rugby League on Sky and BBC) but I've noticed no issues around motion so far. I've had it less than 2 weeks though, so I'm still in the honeymoon period. ![]() I did have an issue with "soap opera effect" (which makes films look more like they're shot on video) in "standard" mode, but changing to "expert mode (dark room)" or "expert mode (light room)" soon got rid of that. None of the other picture modes seemed of much use to me, though there is a dedicated "Sports" mode. Blu rays and 3D blu rays look fantastic. I can't speak to 4K performance yet - I'm about to take delivery of UHD Blu Ray player and discs soon. I do notice some posterizing on some dark content (e.g. GoT on Fox HD for example) which is annoying, but at the moment I'm assuming that's the compression the broadcasters use. I used to notice it on the Sony too. I don't see that on Blu Rays. Other than that, the main bug bear is the default pictures the TV displays when the source you've selected is not switched on! After a few seconds it displays a slide show of 4 pictures which you can't change. It's also a beautiful TV. The display itself has no true bezel and it looks like it's on a sheet of glass. |
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I thought there were currently two manufacturers using LG panels, must be just one.
Phillips have released details of their OLED's, launch isn't until later in the year. Let's hope OLED gains more momentum and eventually rids the high street of LCD. We can only hope. The key to mass adoption is price. LG are very committed, being the only manufacturer to have stuck with the technology and cracked the manufacturing problems. They're making the most of the price premium they can command right now, which is fair enough, but I hope they'll be smart enough to sell panels to competitors (and maybe license the manufacturing process) and the others (like Sony) will be smart enough to see the light so we get mass take up. |
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You may be right about the other manufacturers. I only knew of Panasonic's involvement. Perhaps it is (or will be) Phillips too.
As I've said before, good luck to LG - the others all cut their losses (and absolutely massive losses as well!) - it's always been said that OLED sales will never make enough money to pay for the development costs already incurred. So it makes sense for LG to sell to as many other manufacturers as they can. |
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There are Sony OLED sets as well, if not out yet, they are due soon - and like all others use panels from LG.
As I've said before, good luck to LG - the others all cut their losses (and absolutely massive losses as well!) - it's always been said that OLED sales will never make enough money to pay for the development costs already incurred. So it makes sense for LG to sell to as many other manufacturers as they can. Have any TV sales made enough money to cover development for any screen type, apart from CRT possibly? |
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I thought there was another manufacturer other than Panasonic using LG OLED screens, I just picked the wrong one.
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Have any TV sales made enough money to cover development for any screen type, apart from CRT possibly? |
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All Sony's current range, including the newest 4K HDR 2016 models, are LCD.
If there had been a Sony OLED then it would have been my choice. But there isn't, so LG it was. It would be pretty big news if Sony did produce an OLED model, but they won't be doing that this year. LG need to bring their prices closer to that of LCDs as quickly as they can. Lower cost is the one thing in LCD's favour. |
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All Sony's current range, including the newest 4K HDR 2016 models, are LCD.
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LG need to bring their prices closer to that of LCDs as quickly as they can. Lower cost is the one thing in LCD's favour.
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I know, but there's supposed to be OLED models 'soon'
![]() Do you have a source for that?, as far as we're aware it 'should' be this year - and hopefully not too long. What would be the point?, apart from losing even more money - LG have got to do the best they can to try and recover some of the development costs. An obvious advantage for their own sales is to ensure high prices for their panels to other manufacturers ![]() ![]() No Sony OLEDs in the current range. The earliest they could reach the shops is when the 2017 range comes out. Granted we could hear about that in late 2016, but that'd be way before they actually hit the shops. Unless you have a quote to say Sony are planning one this year? Do Sony normally have a fresh lineup of TVs in the Autumn perhaps? Price matters. There is quite a price differential between the best LCD and OLED screens. To many people (i.e. the mass market) the blackest black is a mere technical detail that doesn't matter to them. The price differential could easily restrict any sales to the niche market of "early adopters" (i.e. AV enthusiasts). If they don't bring prices down as soon as they can, they won't get the sales volume and with it the cost savings due to scale. And they might never get to be mainstrean and we'll be in the plasma situation all over again. I don't mean next week, or anything, but over the next couple of years. I'd expect the 2017 models to be cheaper than this year's and 2018 models even cheaper. The only way they'll recoup their expenses on developing OLED is (in the long run) by it going mainstream. They'll never achieve that if it stays expensive and low sales volume. |
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Does anyone know if OLED panels suffer from DSE, Banding etc like LED screens?
I suspect they do if they are manufactured using rollers like LED screens do. I agree that price over rules quality of image for most people. There is no way I would pay more than £1000 extra for a TV just to have a screen that could see 50% more of AVP2 action during the dark scenes. |
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My source is what's easily google-able online. I have no inside knowledge.
![]() No Sony OLEDs in the current range. The earliest they could reach the shops is when the 2017 range comes out. Granted we could hear about that in late 2016, but that'd be way before they actually hit the shops. Unless you have a quote to say Sony are planning one this year? Do Sony normally have a fresh lineup of TVs in the Autumn perhaps? ![]() Quote:
The only way they'll recoup their expenses on developing OLED is (in the long run) by it going mainstream. They'll never achieve that if it stays expensive and low sales volume. |
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Does anyone know if OLED panels suffer from DSE, Banding etc like LED screens?
I suspect they do if they are manufactured using rollers like LED screens do. I agree that price over rules quality of image for most people. There is no way I would pay more than £1000 extra for a TV just to have a screen that could see 50% more of AVP2 action during the dark scenes. |
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As I've said before, good luck to LG - the others all cut their losses (and absolutely massive losses as well!) - it's always been said that OLED sales will never make enough money to pay for the development costs already incurred. So it makes sense for LG to sell to as many other manufacturers as they can.
I've just looked up an argument I had with you in 2011 where you opined that LCD and Plasma TVs had suddenly appeared from nowhere, whereas OLED had been in expensive development for many years. But this is not even close to being true. All of those technologies were hugely expensive and time-consuming to develop, and yet here they all are. |
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My source is what's easily google-able online. I have no inside knowledge.
![]() No Sony OLEDs in the current range. The earliest they could reach the shops is when the 2017 range comes out. Granted we could hear about that in late 2016, but that'd be way before they actually hit the shops. Unless you have a quote to say Sony are planning one this year? Do Sony normally have a fresh lineup of TVs in the Autumn perhaps? Price matters. There is quite a price differential between the best LCD and OLED screens. To many people (i.e. the mass market) the blackest black is a mere technical detail that doesn't matter to them. The price differential could easily restrict any sales to the niche market of "early adopters" (i.e. AV enthusiasts). If they don't bring prices down as soon as they can, they won't get the sales volume and with it the cost savings due to scale. And they might never get to be mainstrean and we'll be in the plasma situation all over again. I don't mean next week, or anything, but over the next couple of years. I'd expect the 2017 models to be cheaper than this year's and 2018 models even cheaper. The only way they'll recoup their expenses on developing OLED is (in the long run) by it going mainstream. They'll never achieve that if it stays expensive and low sales volume. |
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Sony usually release their new range in the spring, but occasionally release new models throughout the year - as and when the need arises, such as the launch of a new OLED range
![]() Assuming development costs were 'only' £1 billion pounds, and you make £1000 profit on each panel sold, then you have to sell 100,000 panels just to recoup the development costs. As far as I'm aware, development costs were considerably higher than that - and it's likely profit per panel is considerably lower. |
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Worldwide, the market for TVs is massive! Far greater than a mere 100,000. Mainstream means millions would be sold! Over time, naturally.
I don't know if we're delivering the LG one that came this morning?, if so I'll be very interested to see what it's like. It says it's HDR on the box, as did the 55 inch Sony LCD that came at the same time. |
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All Sony's current range, including the newest 4K HDR 2016 models, are LCD.
If there had been a Sony OLED then it would have been my choice. But there isn't, so LG it was. It would be pretty big news if Sony did produce an OLED model, but they won't be doing that this year. LG need to bring their prices closer to that of LCDs as quickly as they can. Lower cost is the one thing in LCD's favour. |
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