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Old 03-06-2016, 22:33
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Old 04-06-2016, 00:59
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Old 04-06-2016, 16:32
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As for Dynamo, I really have no idea how he has become so successful and popular. I regard him in a similar way that I regard Richard Jones: OK magicians, but not the big deal they are made out to be.
Dymano is the very definition of "magic shop magician".

Nothing is ever original, you can almost see the price ticket on the props, the wage packerts of the stooges or the blatant camera traicks (which is NOT magic in my opinion) he uses

He also is the least dynamic person on TV, it must be an ironic nickname.
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Old 04-06-2016, 20:06
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Err, I think if you are in the final of a talent contest you do the very best you can
Richards audition and semi final were better than the final
The final is what is being voted on
Just because he has a veteran waiting behind the curtain, and does a not very exciting trick, doesn't make him the best
Obviously the army hero thing was what swung it for him, and those who voted liked the sentimental aspect, but it should have been about who had the most talent
I don't think it was him
I do.
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Old 04-06-2016, 20:08
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I hardly ever come here on DS any more, but having watched the BGT finals, I felt very strongly about this and wanted to comment.

As a lover of magic, I am frankly outraged that Richard Jones won. Absolutely outraged. Now please do not think that I have any hostility towards Richard Jones himself. He seems like a lovely man and he simply did his best. There was nothing particularly "wrong" with anything he did, I have nothing against him, and am happy for him.

But this is without doubt the most undeserving winner ever and an absolute catastrophe for the show. BGT is supposed to be a talent show, meaning the winner should be someone who has one of the following…

1. An amazing natural talent
2. A skill which took years of practice to perfect
3. A natural creative flare and sense of artistry
4. A brilliant mind that is able to come up with an original routine
5. A strong and captivating personality
6. A keen sense of showmanship and drama

Many of the best magicians have some of these, some even have all. But Richard Jones, I'm afraid, has none (at least none that we saw on the show particularly).

The fundamental elements which make a magic act great are things like skill, talent, sleight of hand, creativity, artistry, personality, and showmanship. But instead, the British public voted for a man who had merely "learned how to do some tricks".

The tricks Mr Jones performed are not difficult to do and require no skill. Anyone can simply go out and buy them and perform them. You can go on YouTube right now, learn how to do card tricks like this, and repeat it for your family. That's all well and good, but it doesn't make you the winner of Britain's Got Talent. Knowing a few tricks doesn't mean you have talent. It doesn't mean you have personality or star quality. You're just a bloke who knows tricks. (Other people's tricks, too, not your own.)

So what amazing magic routine did the public vote as the best act of the night? No routine, just one trick. A card trick. A very old card trick. A card trick which is neither difficult to figure out, nor difficult to perform. Possibly one of the most simple card tricks ever performed which is so lacking in mystery or excitement it is perhaps wrong to even call it a trick. And it went wrong.

I might have had a touch more respect for Mr Jones if he had tried to win the audience over on the strength of his own magic in the final. But instead, the entire routine was based around the idea of national pride, and bringing Fergus Anckorn on stage and getting everyone to applaud him, as though bringing a minor celebrity onto the stage somehow translates to "talent". To me, this is just cheap. He was just trying to feed off of Mr Anckorn's reputation and applause.

I could have understood doing something like this for the Royal Variety Performance, where it would have been perfect. But this was the grand final of a competition. Mr Jones was supposed to be competing, and showing his own talent. You can't use another man's reputation to secure votes. Secure your own votes by being good.

Why do the British public seem to love pedestrian magicians who don't invent their own tricks, have no personality, and no sense of showmanship? Last year we had the dreadful Jamie Raven coming second, which I could not understand. But looking back, Jamie Raven seems like a veritable David Copperfield compared with the banality of Richard Jones.

I can think of dozens, probably hundreds, of British magicians who would be more worthy of winning BGT than this man. Just to give one rather obvious example: Piff the Magic Dragon who appeared on America's Got Talent. He isn't the greatest magic act ever, but he certainly is a funny and totally original act.

If a magic act is to win the whole of BGT, it surely cannot be an act which just walks on stage with a bag of small, shop-bought tricks and says "look what I bought and learned to do in 5 minutes". It must be a unique act which creates, innovates, captivates, and puts their personal stamp on the artform.

Let me close by saying once again I am definitely not here to have a go at Richard Jones. I actually like the man, and as a lover of magic, I "salute" anyone who has a go at magic, however good or bad they are. But what on earth were the British public thinking here?

For the record, I loved Ashley Banjo's spectacular collaborative performance during the results. It was the best thing on the show for years and reminded me of how worthy winners Diversity were. It ticked every box in my above list! I think Diversity should have won again on the basis of this!
Diversity shouldn't have won the first time, nevermind again.

All they do is throw that curly haired dude about and pretend to be a robot.

very boring after the first 5 seconds.
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Old 04-06-2016, 20:21
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Diversity shouldn't have won the first time, nevermind again.

All they do is throw that curly haired dude about and pretend to be a robot.

very boring after the first 5 seconds.
Diversity is the best dance group ever, and none of the other groups on BGT have come anywhere near their standard, though many have tried to copy them
They are original, innovative and no way are they boring!
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Old 04-06-2016, 20:48
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Diversity is the best dance group ever, and none of the other groups on BGT have come anywhere near their standard, though many have tried to copy them
They are original, innovative and no way are they boring!
I can't stand them.
They bore me to tears.
Everything they do is the same as the last time they were on. I use the time to make a brew.


Good job we don't all like the same thing though.
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Old 05-06-2016, 00:39
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Good job we don't all like the same thing though.
Yes, I'm glad that you appreciate diversity.
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Old 05-06-2016, 05:59
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Yes, I'm glad that you appreciate diversity.
Ha!
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Old 06-06-2016, 10:35
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Having watched the tricks that Richard copied his act from, his delivery was very poor. Not only does he talk in this weird way like he's talking to a toddler, but he messed up all the bits that required any skill. If he is going to copy tricks off other magicians and use store-bought items, he needs to at least be very skilled at the delivery.

I don't think he deserved to win, but there wasn't much competition, so on the night, it's not that big of a travesty. However, I have no doubt there are much better amateur magicians out there who deserve it much more than him.
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Old 06-06-2016, 20:28
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Having watched the tricks that Richard copied his act from, his delivery was very poor. Not only does he talk in this weird way like he's talking to a toddler, but he messed up all the bits that required any skill. If he is going to copy tricks off other magicians and use store-bought items, he needs to at least be very skilled at the delivery.

I don't think he deserved to win, but there wasn't much competition, so on the night, it's not that big of a travesty. However, I have no doubt there are much better amateur magicians out there who deserve it much more than him.
BIB- such as?
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Old 07-06-2016, 00:02
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I suspect from how you've worded that that you aren't actually asking me but I'll answer anyway.

Fake shuffling.
Could see palmed card in odd hand shape kind of like a ken doll.
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Old 07-06-2016, 12:48
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Nonsense and how do you explain the burning and the matching page and Beckham cut out ? You can't
They can be explained.
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