personally I cant comment because I cant stand chris evans so I didnt watch it
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Originally Posted by skinj:
“Yesterday I also got a general email from applause store yesterday offering tickets for TG for the next 2 recordings! TG always had a big waiting list for people to go and watch it. Historically I had an email sent to me as someone on the list offering tickets, but this was just a general mailing to all applause store members offering TG, League of Their own and others.
Either the bigger audience is a struggle to fill or people are just not interested in going to see it live now.”
“Yesterday I also got a general email from applause store yesterday offering tickets for TG for the next 2 recordings! TG always had a big waiting list for people to go and watch it. Historically I had an email sent to me as someone on the list offering tickets, but this was just a general mailing to all applause store members offering TG, League of Their own and others.
Either the bigger audience is a struggle to fill or people are just not interested in going to see it live now.”
Could you tell if the recordings were still ten days in advance, or back to three?
Originally Posted by Ten_Ben:
“Could you tell if the recordings were still ten days in advance, or back to three?”
“Could you tell if the recordings were still ten days in advance, or back to three?”
The Applause Store page only lists two dates - Wed 8th June and Thu 9th June, both starting at 12:45
There is nothing listed for the following weeks:
http://www.applausestore.com/calendar?date=2016-06-03
And previous weeks are listed as 19th May, 26th May and 2nd June.
So that could be for the final two episodes (is ep 6 a compilation?)
http://www.applausestore.com/book-top-gear-2016
Originally Posted by Fayecorgasm:
“well Im shocked by this thread,the people who disliked Clarkson love this version and the people who loved Clarkson don't really like it ..... I suppose how long it lasts will depend if Evans has more casual watchers who will tolerate him and hardcore fans who will watch it anyway”
“well Im shocked by this thread,the people who disliked Clarkson love this version and the people who loved Clarkson don't really like it ..... I suppose how long it lasts will depend if Evans has more casual watchers who will tolerate him and hardcore fans who will watch it anyway”
That's way too simplistic. Yes, there are some people in those camps but the majority of us simply want TG to survive on the BBC. The out-pourings were the result of immense disappointment as to what was offered as episode 1 and the way that they've fiddled with the bits that didn't need fiddling with and kept the stuff that should have been binned. It's now a case of seeing where they go from here but having had a year to build up to launch, people are disappointed and not especially optimistic.
Originally Posted by skinj:
“Sat and watched ep2 of series one on youtube yesterday and even though it was a brand new show, only one episode in, it was still a much better product than what we saw last week. I think the difference is that on series one the bulk of the ideas were in place but the finesse just wasn't there. The audience wasn't in the right places, the room looked too bright and empty & they moved from place to place while recording.
The later series used the darker hanger, used the audience in a much better way & used multiple takes to move the presenters from one scene to another so that the audience could be in place for the next area.
Yes the budget was not there for them to do anything ridiculous but it felt like the peripherals needed tweaking rather than the main items, needed to polish the rough edges. The new version seems to have messed with the peripherals that were fine and they now get in the way of the show, whilst also changing the main items just enough to make them jar with the pre-existing audience while the newcomers and the occasional viewers don't really notice the difference.”
“Sat and watched ep2 of series one on youtube yesterday and even though it was a brand new show, only one episode in, it was still a much better product than what we saw last week. I think the difference is that on series one the bulk of the ideas were in place but the finesse just wasn't there. The audience wasn't in the right places, the room looked too bright and empty & they moved from place to place while recording.
The later series used the darker hanger, used the audience in a much better way & used multiple takes to move the presenters from one scene to another so that the audience could be in place for the next area.
Yes the budget was not there for them to do anything ridiculous but it felt like the peripherals needed tweaking rather than the main items, needed to polish the rough edges. The new version seems to have messed with the peripherals that were fine and they now get in the way of the show, whilst also changing the main items just enough to make them jar with the pre-existing audience while the newcomers and the occasional viewers don't really notice the difference.”
Watching parts of the first episode, and have to agree. The polish isn't there but the fundamentals are, and even though I didn't think the new one was too bad, it really does show it up. In comparison the new version is all polish and not so much substance. Is Evans really all that knowledgable about cars? Like he's into expensive ones obviously, but I can't see the extent being anywhere near that of the CHM.
Originally Posted by Fayecorgasm:
“personally I cant comment because I cant stand chris evans so I didnt watch it”
“personally I cant comment because I cant stand chris evans so I didnt watch it”
You're getting off too easy. You should make yourself watch it and then come and tell us how terrible it was. The DS TV forum isn't going to get anywhere if people only watch things they like.
Originally Posted by Fayecorgasm:
“personally I cant comment because I cant stand chris evans so I didnt watch it”
“personally I cant comment because I cant stand chris evans so I didnt watch it”
Which is in itself a comment, and a perfectly valid one, too. You exercised your option not to watch the ginger twonk, as did I.
Originally Posted by Ten_Ben:
“That's way too simplistic. Yes, there are some people in those camps but the majority of us simply want TG to survive on the BBC. The out-pourings were the result of immense disappointment as to what was offered as episode 1 and the way that they've fiddled with the bits that didn't need fiddling with and kept the stuff that should have been binned. It's now a case of seeing where they go from here but having had a year to build up to launch, people are disappointed and not especially optimistic.”
“That's way too simplistic. Yes, there are some people in those camps but the majority of us simply want TG to survive on the BBC. The out-pourings were the result of immense disappointment as to what was offered as episode 1 and the way that they've fiddled with the bits that didn't need fiddling with and kept the stuff that should have been binned. It's now a case of seeing where they go from here but having had a year to build up to launch, people are disappointed and not especially optimistic.”
It will be interesting to see what the Grand Tour is like. The idea of taking the show around the world (perhaps an idea from the Top Gear live shows) will work especially if they do stuff in the local country.
Certainly there won't be a star in a car bit which was probably reaching the end of the road anyway and yet the BBC kept it for some reason.
Originally Posted by Rodney McKay:
“It will be interesting to see what the Grand Tour is like. The idea of taking the show around the world (perhaps an idea from the Top Gear live shows) will work especially if they do stuff in the local country.
Certainly there won't be a star in a car bit which was probably reaching the end of the road anyway and yet the BBC kept it for some reason.”
“It will be interesting to see what the Grand Tour is like. The idea of taking the show around the world (perhaps an idea from the Top Gear live shows) will work especially if they do stuff in the local country.
Certainly there won't be a star in a car bit which was probably reaching the end of the road anyway and yet the BBC kept it for some reason.”
What on earth is wrong with having celebs race a highly tuned RallyCross car around a dirt-track ??? I can't imagine anything better , F1 cars are faster but are as boring as hell itself .
Originally Posted by MichPlat:
“What on earth is wrong with having celebs race a highly tuned RallyCross car around a dirt-track ???”
“What on earth is wrong with having celebs race a highly tuned RallyCross car around a dirt-track ???”
Conditions, especially when the track is really chewed up & muddy later on (and after heavy rain) will make comparisons pretty much meaningless.
Originally Posted by MichPlat:
“What on earth is wrong with having celebs race a highly tuned RallyCross car around a dirt-track ??? I can't imagine anything better , F1 cars are faster but are as boring as hell itself .”
“What on earth is wrong with having celebs race a highly tuned RallyCross car around a dirt-track ??? I can't imagine anything better , F1 cars are faster but are as boring as hell itself .”
It's not the particular of the cars or track that's the issue, it's the segment as a whole. The driving is an excuse to interview celebs about cars and the bare fact is most of TG's audience couldn't give a toss what car Gordon Ramsey (or whoever) drove or drives. STIRPC was flagging horribly in 'old' TG and bringing it back with a slightily different driving exercise has fixed none of it's problems. In fact the only thing it had still going for it was the incongruity of some multimillionaire entertainer having to drive a car that costs less than they'd normally pay for lunch. Now they've even thrown that away.
It also doesn't help that neither Clarkson nor Evans are actually particularly good interviewers.
Originally Posted by MichPlat:
“What on earth is wrong with having celebs race a highly tuned RallyCross car around a dirt-track ??? I can't imagine anything better , F1 cars are faster but are as boring as hell itself .”
“What on earth is wrong with having celebs race a highly tuned RallyCross car around a dirt-track ??? I can't imagine anything better , F1 cars are faster but are as boring as hell itself .”
Apart from the problem that the leaderboard times will be meaningless, what bugged me was the interview. Two celebs with nothing in common and the audience being asked to cheer loudest for their favourite photos. It was a pantomime (literally).
If they must have two celebs on each week, make sure there is some reason to pair them up. Also make sure they both care about the outcome, or at least like cars. Jesse Eisenberg couldn't have been less bothered about either. I suppose the randomness of this "race" matched the lack of any direction in the rest of the show.
BTW, re F1, there was nothing boring about the Monaco GP.
Originally Posted by allafix:
“Apart from the problem that the leaderboard times will be meaningless, what bugged me was the interview. Two celebs with nothing in common and the audience being asked to cheer loudest for their favourite photos. It was a pantomime (literally).
If they must have two celebs on each week, make sure there is some reason to pair them up. Also make sure they both care about the outcome, or at least like cars. Jesse Eisenberg couldn't have been less bothered about either. I suppose the randomness of this "race" matched the lack of any direction in the rest of the show.
BTW, re F1, there was nothing boring about the Monaco GP.”
“Apart from the problem that the leaderboard times will be meaningless, what bugged me was the interview. Two celebs with nothing in common and the audience being asked to cheer loudest for their favourite photos. It was a pantomime (literally).
If they must have two celebs on each week, make sure there is some reason to pair them up. Also make sure they both care about the outcome, or at least like cars. Jesse Eisenberg couldn't have been less bothered about either. I suppose the randomness of this "race" matched the lack of any direction in the rest of the show.
BTW, re F1, there was nothing boring about the Monaco GP.”
I don't mind hearing what kind of cars he celebs have owned in their past tbh.
As to F1 , I get fed up with most races before the second lap so the Monaco GP is laughable when there's no place to overtake
Granted due to conditions and whatever this year's procession wasn't quite as bad as normal but I'll stick to MotoGP for my racing !
Originally Posted by MichPlat:
“I don't mind hearing what kind of cars he celebs have owned in their past tbh.”
“I don't mind hearing what kind of cars he celebs have owned in their past tbh.”
SIARPC did the same thing (celeb car history) better though. Only an idiot would think making the interview part of the competition was a good idea.
Originally Posted by Gavin_D:
“Top Gear in new crisis
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CkDdR8_WgAAAHEx.jpg:large”
“Top Gear in new crisis
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CkDdR8_WgAAAHEx.jpg:large”
you know the terrible thing about this is I want it to be a spoof but with the sun its entirely possible its not
Originally Posted by allafix:
“SIARPC did the same thing (celeb car history) better though. Only an idiot would think making the interview part of the competition was a good idea.”
“SIARPC did the same thing (celeb car history) better though. Only an idiot would think making the interview part of the competition was a good idea.”
I agree with that ...
Originally Posted by MichPlat:
“What on earth is wrong with having celebs race a highly tuned RallyCross car around a dirt-track ??? I can't imagine anything better , F1 cars are faster but are as boring as hell itself .”
“What on earth is wrong with having celebs race a highly tuned RallyCross car around a dirt-track ??? I can't imagine anything better , F1 cars are faster but are as boring as hell itself .”
That's an interesting view. If a road-going Works Cooper is highly tuned, what adjective do you reserve for real rally-x cars? You know, the bare-shell screamers with straight cut boxes etc?
Highly-tuned.
I watched it again (forced myself) for reviewing purposes, and I noticed even more lack of chemistry, poor direction, poor performance than before.
It's as if the original team had gone on holiday and they'd wheeled in a couple of presenters who'd been hanging about in the canteen, and told them 'do what the other blokes did'.
CH&M made the show their own, because of their individual and collective personalities. You can't successfully or accurately copy that - I don't understand why anyone involved in the show thought they could!
I noticed the canned studio laughter too - and recent newspaper stories confirm it. Just look at the audience when Evans or Leblanc 'deliver' various allegedly funny punchlines: they're nonplussed and bored looking, but we hear gales of laughter.
Very poor.
It's as if the original team had gone on holiday and they'd wheeled in a couple of presenters who'd been hanging about in the canteen, and told them 'do what the other blokes did'.
CH&M made the show their own, because of their individual and collective personalities. You can't successfully or accurately copy that - I don't understand why anyone involved in the show thought they could!
I noticed the canned studio laughter too - and recent newspaper stories confirm it. Just look at the audience when Evans or Leblanc 'deliver' various allegedly funny punchlines: they're nonplussed and bored looking, but we hear gales of laughter.
Very poor.
Originally Posted by alinton:
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I noticed the canned studio laughter too - and recent newspaper stories confirm it. Just look at the audience when Evans or Leblanc 'deliver' various allegedly funny punchlines: they're nonplussed and bored looking, but we hear gales of laughter.”
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I noticed the canned studio laughter too - and recent newspaper stories confirm it. Just look at the audience when Evans or Leblanc 'deliver' various allegedly funny punchlines: they're nonplussed and bored looking, but we hear gales of laughter.”
Much as I liked the CHM version there were times when they appeared to use canned laughter. I tried the repeat of the new version and lasted about three minutes.
Well that didn't go well.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...d-say-viewers/
Includes phrases like "BBC executives have been spooked by what one source at the corporation described as “catastrophic” viewer feedback.", "sources at the corporation confirmed that the first episode of the new-look Top Gear was given a score of 60 by viewers, marking it out as poor quality".
Ho hum
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...d-say-viewers/
Includes phrases like "BBC executives have been spooked by what one source at the corporation described as “catastrophic” viewer feedback.", "sources at the corporation confirmed that the first episode of the new-look Top Gear was given a score of 60 by viewers, marking it out as poor quality".
Ho hum
Originally Posted by SnrDev:
“Well that didn't go well.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...d-say-viewers/
Includes phrases like "BBC executives have been spooked by what one source at the corporation described as “catastrophic” viewer feedback.", "sources at the corporation confirmed that the first episode of the new-look Top Gear was given a score of 60 by viewers, marking it out as poor quality".
Ho hum”
“Well that didn't go well.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...d-say-viewers/
Includes phrases like "BBC executives have been spooked by what one source at the corporation described as “catastrophic” viewer feedback.", "sources at the corporation confirmed that the first episode of the new-look Top Gear was given a score of 60 by viewers, marking it out as poor quality".
Ho hum”
And
Quote:
“The second episode of the new series, which airs on Sunday, was filmed last week, before the corporation received the critical feedback.
However, the third episode, which filmed on Thursday, contains a number of changes. Sources on the production said that Evans was noticeably less animated on screen.
A running joke at the end of the first two episodes, in which Evans shouts down a presenter who tries to utter Clarkson’s traditional “and on that bombshell” sign-off, was also scrapped for the third episode.”
“The second episode of the new series, which airs on Sunday, was filmed last week, before the corporation received the critical feedback.
However, the third episode, which filmed on Thursday, contains a number of changes. Sources on the production said that Evans was noticeably less animated on screen.
A running joke at the end of the first two episodes, in which Evans shouts down a presenter who tries to utter Clarkson’s traditional “and on that bombshell” sign-off, was also scrapped for the third episode.”
If viewers thought that they would give the programme a second chance by watching episode 2 this Sunday, they are likely to go away unimpressed and might not return when they see no changes. Any changes coming in for ep. 3 might be too late (and even then, those changes are only likely to affect the shorter studio segments)..
And I can't believe that someone thought that they could have an "on that bombshell" signoff as a "joke" would be funny more than one, never mind used as a running joke.
Can't the current critics of Top Gear be dismissed as just anti BBC types and/or Clarksonistas?
Clarkson said and did some appalling things down the years. No-one should defend the bloke.
Many shows go through re-vamps, either cast changes or presenter changes. Top Gear is no different. Give it a chance people. As it happens, I rather enjoyed it on Sunday.
Clarkson said and did some appalling things down the years. No-one should defend the bloke.
Many shows go through re-vamps, either cast changes or presenter changes. Top Gear is no different. Give it a chance people. As it happens, I rather enjoyed it on Sunday.
Originally Posted by Ash_M1:
“Can't the current critics of Top Gear be dismissed as just anti BBC types and/or Clarksonistas?”
“Can't the current critics of Top Gear be dismissed as just anti BBC types and/or Clarksonistas?”
No, they can't.
Some can be and will sit within this bracket. Many won't but they are able to see the revamp for what it is, a pale imitation of what it was, hosted by a lead presenter that's inappropriate to try an encapsulate the feel of the previous incarnation.
Two links demonstrating why the SIARPC should not have a Mini!
Celebs that drive Minis in real life
Celebs that drive Astras in real life
This is just a simple demonstrating of how badly the new team have done in making changes to SIARPC.
Celebs that drive Minis in real life
Celebs that drive Astras in real life
This is just a simple demonstrating of how badly the new team have done in making changes to SIARPC.
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