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Jay McGuiness and Aliona Vilani appreciation thread - Part 6
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jayfan
09-10-2016
Originally Posted by BMLisa:
“Yes for me Danny is performing a dance as if he's in the middle of a 2 year run on stage.

He's memorised it and going through all the steps lovely, but he's not "in the dance"

I honestly believe that sometimes Jays mistakes were because he was actually dancing the dance not the steps and he was getting kind of lost in it.

He deffo could have done with a bit of Danny's confidence and showmanship in the early weeks, but for me Danny and Oti just come across as two pros performing a fab dance like its their day job. Whereas J&A created moments that you wanted to stay in.

Danny's VW did create that for me but his other dances haven't.

His Paso was too light and skippy and had little drive and power. JaysPaso was vastly superior to Danny's let alone his Jive.”

Agree with you here Lisa. Very well put. I did not even like the VW that much. My main interest in the couple is Oti. I watch them for her.
Isih
09-10-2016
Originally Posted by Lola the cat:
“Watching Jonathan Ross

JR to Darcey Bussell "so who do you think will win this year?"

Darcey to JR "I think it's time for a boy"

Eh...so that makes Jay a...a...a...I'm floundering here...a penguin?”

Or as you once said, chopped liver.
I've already thrown a couple of minor tantrums on these lines (which no-one seems to have noticed - Matthew Wolfenden, Dancing on Ice - Singing in the Rain, even better than Ore's, which I loved).

Bruno even used 'laser guided missiles' line last night - I forget who for but to use his favourite expression, bollocks. I do wonder if the Beeb are into revisionism (well, we know they are, but for light entertainment?)

Originally Posted by Jelly_L:
“Evening all. Just tucked up in hotel room after a great time watching KD with two of the loveliest ladies I've ever been privileged enough to meet, jayfan and ellie_bee.

I wasn't sure what to expect with KD but Robin is a revelation. I only wish we could have seen his true ability on SCD.

The ensemble cast were very good and the singing, especially from one of the women, was really high quality.

Louis had obviously been practising a lot. I enjoyed all his dances with Anya and the Charleston was impressive.

The stage door lurking was new to me but everyone was really nice (Anya's dog was a real cutie!). They could not have been more approachable and were all appreciative of the support they had.

Roll on Edinburgh!”

Thank you Jelly and jayfan, for your commentaries, both running and post-show! So glad you enjoyed it.

Originally Posted by J_L_Powell:
“I enjoyed Claudia and AJ's dance but the 'custard pie' ending spoilt it for me. Don't think Len was too pleased with that either. None of them have Jay's "it" factor yet and not sure they ever will.”

However, it was in keeping with the theme. I liked the dance, I think these two are very promising, and I think AJ, despite only being 11 seems quite mature as both dancer and teacher.

Originally Posted by Toasted Toad:
“Ready, aim, fire!! Week for week -

Week 1 - Danny's cha cha beats Jay's, partly due to eyesore costume, but mostly due to crippling nerves.

Week 2 - Jay's waltz did it for me far more than Danny's VW. Partly due to incredibly tender relationship between him and Aliona and his long legs and arms which were beginning to make their presence known.

Week 3 - well, obviously, Jive beats anything.

I never thought J was best every week. Just that J at his best was on another level to anybody else at their best. And even in the less good weeks (aside from the QS - that routine was a nightmare once he lost it - not a couple of oopsies, but loads - he did much better in the Quickathon), there were always elements of beauty which the others didn't have.

Now that we've had 3 routines from Danny, I think he might have a weakness in his relentlessly musical theatre approach in the legs. He is always bending softly whereas that is not always appropriate. He doesn't always drive through the floor but dances 'on' it. J adjusted better. This is a small flaw relatively speaking and I doubt it will ever be picked up on specifically. Others might disagree with me.



I thought Cloudier was dance of the night, but for me, second was actually Daisy. It was a delightful quickstep, wonderfully light and bouncy for such a big girl, almost no gapping (difficult in a quickstep), lovely dance in the mood of the song. Got overlooked with more flashy dances and lower scored to leave room for Danny, Cloudier etc.

Daisy is my journey contestant. Wonderful ballroom, great potential in Latin if she can ever get there. Cloudier will always well, probably) have problems for me personality wise - both her and the monumentally irritating AJ.

However, still a whole bunch of contestants that are holding my interest and only a couple that cause me to reach for the FF button. And thank heavens, no J!

ETA: forgot to add - great reviews everyone, lovely to see so many slightly differing points of view
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bib 1 - I sat there muttering too soft, too soft. He moves well, this was quite balletic, but that's not what's needed.

bib 2 part one - yes indeed (though obviously we don't agree on everything!)

bib 2 part two - seconded.

Originally Posted by BionicBard:
“Great comprehensive review, Rafferty!

Funny you should pick up on J&A's quickstep. Perfection is in the eye of the beholder, and those few oopsies mattered not a jot to me. It was so full of joy, every time they danced it. My favourite was the Quackathon, it started with that sweet fist bump, then they were flying so high he forgot he had to land, and A flew on with him. That's magic.

I like Ed's exhuberance too. He seemed to be the only one enjoying himself last night!”

Exactly - and after he'd done his wonderful explanation on ITT I enjoyed it even more!

Yes about Ed - but I fear he might have reached his plateau - we shall see

I never really feel competent to write a review until I've watched it all again as I am a bear of very little brain and erratic memory. This week the plumber is again helping the Jayalike settle into his new lodgings and since it's F1 as well I doubt he'll have time to watch both, so I will probably just enjoy everyone else's
Toasted Toad
09-10-2016
Having done that Danny/Jay week by week comparison above, I should really add that there's room in the competition for both of them. It's a kind of apples and oranges situation (or maybe someone can come up with a better metaphor). They're almost polar opposites (except in that Danny seems to be rather more ringery than J)

ETA: J's post-QS interview was the only good thing about that dance. If only everyone had seen that I think they would have got a far better idea of J right from the start.
jayfan
09-10-2016
Ed Balls has written a nice little article about his time on SCD in the DF.
He confirms what I think we worked out last year that the celebs are grouped with 3 pros before the final decision is made. His 3 were Katya, Oti and Janette.
As I recall, Jay's were Ola, Kristina and Aliona.
Toasted Toad
09-10-2016
Originally Posted by jayfan:
“Ed Balls has written a nice little article about his time on SCD in the DF.
He confirms what I think we worked out last year that the celebs are grouped with 3 pros before the final decision is made. His 3 were Katya, Oti and Janette.
As I recall, Jay's were Ola, Kristina and Aliona.”

*shivers with horror at the idea of getting Ola or Kristina*. Only possible acceptable alternative would have been Oti
jayfan
09-10-2016
Originally Posted by Toasted Toad:
“Having done that Danny/Jay week by week comparison above, I should really add that there's room in the competition for both of them. It's a kind of apples and oranges situation (or maybe someone can come up with a better metaphor). They're almost polar opposites (except in that Danny seems to be rather more ringery than J)”

Yes, obviously room for both.
But, some one like Danny is never going to capture my interest. Way more of a ringer than Jay- TV actor, degree in Performing Arts, West End stage experience.
Jay- dance lessons as a kid, musical theatre training to 19, no acting experience, no West End stage experience. His training obviously helped with some technique and his ability to learn choreography, but on SCD being able to act and sell yourself and your dance story, gets you a much easier ride.
KorkyTheCat
09-10-2016
Originally Posted by jayfan:
“Ed Balls has written a nice little article about his time on SCD in the DF.
He confirms what I think we worked out last year that the celebs are grouped with 3 pros before the final decision is made. His 3 were Katya, Oti and Janette.
As I recall, Jay's were Ola, Kristina and Aliona.”

I think J would have won with Kristina (very sympathetic and thorough teacher) (liked what she did with Simon and Ben) but not with Ola who wouldn't - indeed couldn't - have brought out his full potential. She'd have shouted at him too. He wouldn't have enjoyed the experience and she has little discernible humour.

So pleased you enjoyed KD with Louis and thanks for the updates last night and review this morning; others' on SCD too.
Toasted Toad
09-10-2016
Originally Posted by KorkyTheCat:
“I think J would have won with Kristina (very sympathetic and thorough teacher) (liked what she did with Simon and Ben) but not with Ola who wouldn't - indeed couldn't - have brought out his full potential. She'd have shouted at him too. He wouldn't have enjoyed the experience and she has little discernible humour.

So pleased you enjoyed KD with Louis and thanks for the updates last night and review this morning; others' on SCD too.”

Not sure - Kristina does 'sexy' and not sure she would have been able to adapt for J, who really wasn't comfortable with that. Ola would have been a total nightmare.
StrictlyRed
09-10-2016
Originally Posted by Isih:
“Bruno even used 'laser guided missiles' line last night - I forget who for but to use his favourite expression, bollocks. I do wonder if the Beeb are into revisionism (well, we know they are, but for light entertainment?

”

I haven't had the chance to read everything from last night and this morning yet, but this bit caught my eye, as the phrase was so appropriate last year, but this time.......not so much.

I can't say for sure, but was it Tameka? At least, I remember being.
KorkyTheCat
09-10-2016
Originally Posted by Toasted Toad:
“Not sure - Kristina does 'sexy' and not sure she would have been able to adapt for J, who really wasn't comfortable with that. Ola would have been a total nightmare.”

She wouldn't have done "sexy" with a partner who was uncomfortable with that. It would have been totally one-sided and looked plain odd. She would have choreographed to his personality and ability and beyond, stretching him once he gained some confidence.
Toasted Toad
09-10-2016
Originally Posted by KorkyTheCat:
“She wouldn't have done "sexy" with a partner who was uncomfortable with that. It would have been totally one-sided and looked plain odd. She would have choreographed to his personality and ability and beyond, stretching him once he gained some confidence.”

I didn't mean she would do sexy while he would do straight - I meant she would try to persuade him to do sexy. (And actually, she did sexy with John Sargeant!)

Possibly she would have done as you say - we'll never know now. I love Kristina and am sad she left the show.
BionicBard
09-10-2016
I loved J talking about Ainsley and brilliantly mimicking Aliona saying he wasn't dancing properly. 'But he was dancing' said J. And I think that's the essence of Jay, it's his enjoyment in the fact that Ainsley was out there dancing his heart out that really matters to him. I suppose it's the difference between watching every step a dancer makes to pick up anything that differs from the prescribed norm, or being taken up by the whole experience; the joy, the artistry, the soul and all those other things that make watching Jay so very special.
BionicBard
09-10-2016
Originally Posted by KorkyTheCat:
“Captions please...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuRlcH1WcAAkDUM.jpg”

"This is what we call the Nottingham Chop, Donald"
nelliek
09-10-2016
Originally Posted by Toasted Toad:
“( . . . snipped for relevance . . . )
Now that we've had 3 routines from Danny, I think he might have a weakness in his relentlessly musical theatre approach in the legs. He is always bending softly whereas that is not always appropriate. He doesn't always drive through the floor but dances 'on' it. J adjusted better. This is a small flaw relatively speaking and I doubt it will ever be picked up on specifically. Others might disagree with me.

ETA: forgot to add - great reviews everyone, lovely to see so many slightly differing points of view.”

BIB 1 Think that's a good description TT. My reaction was that he came across as a bit 'wussie' compared to Jay, but I wasn't sure if that was because of the music.
I compared in slo-mo one particular 'stance' which with Danny is about 1.13 and with Jay at about 0.13.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-o4HoRQQRQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ra0uvOSg6Ak

I don't know if it's because Jay's slightly bigger-built than Danny (or at least appears so compared to their dance partner), has bare arms, or simply because he's standing upright instead of bent backwards but, to me, Jay has far more aggression/menace in his stance than Danny does.
And as for Craig and his incessant 'no facial expression' (as in 'gurning') when you have body language like Jay's in the paso you don't need any facial expression - just the way he held Ali's gaze was enough. And as for the bit at about 0.53 where he throws his arms back that is just pure don't-mess-with-me. Love it.

BIB 2 - Seconded.
Whiffle_09
09-10-2016
Thank you to everyone for you reviews of last nights show - really great reading
And a big thank you to jayfan & Jelly_L for the great reviews of KD - lovely to read.
I've put a few thoughts about the show last night together ( in spoiler to save space) Not as eloquent as the rest of you - I only seem to get inspired word wise when describing a certain couple...

Spoiler
Daisy & Aljaz – Delightful. Light, fluid & she obviously loved being Mary Poppins

Anastacia & Brendan – Careful & with balance issues related to turning but nice to see a softer side of her.

Danny & Oti – Tried so hard to watch them objectively but failed somewhat! Nice enough but felt it very much 'them were the steps'. No emotional intensity or connection with the dance for me.

Lesley & Anton – Loved this. Plenty of content & how much energy does Lesley have – she was so light & bouncing off the floor.

Will & Karen – Liked this one a lot – thought it was his best dance so far. Shame it wasn't really a salsa but he seemed very comfortable with all the 'bollywood' stuff

Naga & Pasha- She is very nervous & the issues with the harness can't have helped matters. Some flashes of what she could produce. Hope she stays in long enough to get more comfortable so we can see what she can do

Robert & Oksana – Like others found the undershorts distracting. Not keen on this one. Don't know why but keep thinking the musical arrangement would maybe have suited a quickstep better

Ore & Joanne – Must be very hard to have to dance to such an iconic & well known track. Quite like it but not as much as I thought I would.

Laura & Giovanni – Looked much more confident last week – maybe she is going to be a ballroom girl?. The lifts were a bit untidy but she sold it well.

Greg & Natalie -* Really enjoyed this one even if it was a bit lift heavy. As one of the few real non-dancers he is improving week on week & seems to have a great relationship with Nat.

Claudia & AJ – For me dance of the night & should have been top of the leaderboard on its own. Fast paced, fun & not a 'trick-fest' .

Tameka & Gorka - Can't warm to her yet

Ed & Katya – She is doing such a good job with him & he really gives his all. Ok so not much teknik but his timing is good & he is very watchable.

Louise & Kevin – Another competent dance



Originally Posted by KorkyTheCat:
“Captions please...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuRlcH1WcAAkDUM.jpg”

" the spider was this big"
Toasted Toad
09-10-2016
Originally Posted by nelliek:
“BIB 1 Think that's a good description TT. My reaction was that he came across as a bit 'wussie' compared to Jay, but I wasn't sure if that was because of the music.
I compared in slo-mo one particular 'stance' which with Danny is about 1.13 and with Jay at about 0.13.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-o4HoRQQRQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ra0uvOSg6Ak

I don't know if it's because Jay's slightly bigger-built than Danny (or at least appears so compared to their dance partner), has bare arms, or simply because he's standing upright instead of bent backwards but, to me, Jay has far more aggression/menace in his stance than Danny does.
And as for Craig and his incessant 'no facial expression' (as in 'gurning') when you have body language like Jay's in the paso you don't need any facial expression - just the way he held Ali's gaze was enough. And as for the bit at about 0.53 where he throws his arms back that is just pure don't-mess-with-me. Love it.

BIB 2 - Seconded. ”

There's another thing - at 00:31 in both routines, they do the same move. J twists towards and away from Aliona as they move forwards (a move he does so beautifully), whereas Danny doesn't - he just moves straight forward. I noticed Oti didn't twist very much either, so I wondered if that was just another acceptable way of doing that move?
Ano
09-10-2016
Lol all I'm saying is that Jay and Aliona's paso is the best I've seen even the sequence I have no idea what it's called at 31 seconds is just sublime I've watched that bit so many times I've lost count.. IMO Danny's paso doesn't compare he had good shaping what else would you expect but even Oti sometimes lost some shaping I know who am I to judge it's just my outlook 😀 That whole routine just didn't do anything for me as people have said it's just another routine they danced decently..
KorkyTheCat
09-10-2016
http://i.giphy.com/7Dn3POSpw7ZbW.gif

A strong rising hand
Reaching so high
Stretch for your future
The limit's the sky
That party is over
Now onto the new
Grasp with both hands
You'll find your way through
Tread the boards soundly
With mounting panache
Steal some more hearts
With spirit and dash
Elicit the smiles
Through tears on each face
Touch hearts with your essence
Your style and your grace
hannah 01.
09-10-2016
Will catch up later but:---

ISIH I TOTALLY AGREE!!!!
I loved Mathew Wolfenden on Ice. Great routine
Whiffle_09
09-10-2016
Originally Posted by KorkyTheCat:
“http://i.giphy.com/7Dn3POSpw7ZbW.gif

A strong rising hand
Reaching so high
Stretch for your future
The limit's the sky
That party is over
Now onto the new
Grasp with both hands
You'll find your way through
Tread the boards soundly
With mounting panache
Steal some more hearts
With spirit and dash
Elicit the smiles
Through tears on each face
Touch hearts with your essence
Your style and your grace”

💕❤💕❤💕
jayfan
09-10-2016
Eva Muro on Twitter has posted some lovely photos of Jay with books.
Drizzle1
09-10-2016
Originally Posted by hannah 01.:
“Yes great report.
Have read back now and found a few more. But I hope they aren't a couple that get overlooked by others in the comp who are seen as triers and/or pretty/sexy

I would like to see a sexy/funny competitor who is trying to gain a new skill by learning to dance exquisitely..
Oh bugger that was last year. A certain competitor called Jay with a superb partner called Aliona.

So I will stay with my Cloudier as the non dance experience girl who is producing lovely dances. (With spot on teknik. Footwork great. Heel turns etc. AJ would make Ali proud..😀..)”

Great review Raferty.
Find myself agreeing with you also Hannah, there's a long way to go yet, but very much looking forward to following Claudias progress.think she may be going for gold.
Just my opinion.
KorkyTheCat
09-10-2016
Originally Posted by jayfan:
“Eva Muro on Twitter has posted some lovely photos of Jay with books.”

*scurries off to look*

*scurries back with goodies*

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuPtprhXEAAq8SR.jpg

There is this arty beauty too, one of my favourites...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CteD2SfUkAEH7PV.jpg
spreeathen
09-10-2016
Originally Posted by jayfan:
“Eva Muro on Twitter has posted some lovely photos of Jay with books.”

Doing a Korky

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuPtprhXEAAq8SR.jpg:large

ETA: TOO LATE!!! Back to being Spree with a cold
KorkyTheCat
09-10-2016
Originally Posted by spreeathen:
“Doing a Korky

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuPtprhXEAAq8SR.jpg:large

ETA: TOO LATE!!! Back to being Spree with a cold ”

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