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Jay McGuiness and Aliona Vilani appreciation thread - Part 6
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Fred.
15-10-2016
Very quick as forum is so slow, it's taken me ages to get in!

I liked Ore's Jive. It was v good, especially for a non-dancer, but he didn't point his toes - J always did. So think Ore deserved a v good mark - though not 3 tens!
Thought Joanne's choreography was v good too - this week and last.

But J and A's Jive was brilliant and faultless - dancing, grace, sexiness, choreography
- the lot.
- and under-marked as we all know!

Have had a peek on the MF and most people think that J and A's Jive was better.
Good


Bit of a possibly controversial opinion now

Think this is actually a bit helpful to J.

J's name has been mentioned several times in front of an audience of 10 million.
Even people who are only vaguely interested will remember him from last year - and will remember his name.
They'll also remember just how good his Jive was - and his other dances!
Huph
15-10-2016
Originally Posted by KorkyTheCat:
“Yes, but how's the poll? ”

Naughty but funny
jayfan
15-10-2016
Originally Posted by Fred.:
“Very quick as forum is so slow, it's taken me ages to get in!

I liked Ore's Jive. It was v good, especially for a non-dancer, but he didn't point his toes - J always did. So think Ore deserved a v good mark - though not 3 tens!
Thought Joanne's choreography was v good too - this week and last.

But J and A's Jive was brilliant and faultless - dancing, grace, sexiness, choreography
- and under-marked as we know!

Have had a peek on the MF and most people think that J and A's Jive was better.


Bit of a possibly controversial opinion now

Think this is actually a bit helpful to J.

J's name has been mentioned several times in front of an audience of 10 million. Even people who are only vaguely interested will remember him from last year - and will remember his name.
They'll also remember just how good his Jive was - and his other dances! ”

Ore is not a total non-dancer. Can't remember where I read it but I knew he had had some training (not ballroom obviously) before James and Ola tweeted it.

Yes, you are probably right Fred. All publicity is good publicity allegedly.
janetshep
15-10-2016
Originally Posted by fridgesoup:
“I thought Ore's jive was really good, but didn't like it nearly as much as Jay's. I really don't think it's worth getting het up over though. Comparing scores one week to the next is pointless, so from one year to another is utterly futile. Of course they have to create a bit of drama, and end up saying some numpty-ish things along the way, but whatevs. I just feel very 'shruggy' about that stuff .”

My head knows that soupy is right, but my heart is stamping its feet like a two year old
jayfan
15-10-2016
Aliona has retweeted some tweets reminding everyone how good their jive was.
jayfan
15-10-2016
Originally Posted by janetshep:
“My head knows that soupy is right, but my heart is stamping its feet like a two year old ”

Know exactly what you mean.
I can't shrug it off either.
Toasted Toad
15-10-2016
Originally Posted by jayfan:
“Ore is not a total non-dancer. Can't remember where I read it but I knew he had had some training (not ballroom obviously) before James and Ola tweeted it.

Yes, you are probably right Fred. All publicity is good publicity allegedly.”

Ore's jive has managed to garner 4,200 views on YT to date. Doesn't look like it's captured the public imagination much.
CatO9Tales
15-10-2016
Originally Posted by jayfan:
“Aliona has retweeted some tweets reminding everyone how good their jive was.”

Not entirely sure that's a good move - will come across to some as sour grapes.
Drizzle1
15-10-2016
Originally Posted by jayfan:
“Know exactly what you mean.
I can't shrug it off either.”

Ditto ditto.
Toasted Toad
15-10-2016
Originally Posted by CatO9Tales:
“Not entirely sure that's a good move - will come across to some as sour grapes.”

Don't think so. She's only re-tweeting (at least, so far) - hasn't said anything herself.
jayfan
15-10-2016
Originally Posted by CatO9Tales:
“Not entirely sure that's a good move - will come across to some as sour grapes.”

Hope not.
Fred.
15-10-2016
Originally Posted by jayfan:
“Ore is not a total non-dancer. Can't remember where I read it but I knew he had had some training (not ballroom obviously) before James and Ola tweeted it.

Yes, you are probably right Fred. All publicity is good publicity allegedly.”

Ah, jayfan that explains why Ore has picked the steps up so quickly - not quite so good then. I always try to give credit to non-dancers for trying hard.

There are barely any non-dancers then this year - singers and dancers would have all done a bit.


Still think J and A were the v v best - and I've watched Strictly from the start


Remember several pages back someone (v sorry, can't remember who ) posting a conversation they'd had with a Strictly viewer who'd voted last year for 'the one who won' but the viewer couldn't remember his name.

But now they'll remember J's name - his full name too - and some might think about going to see KD or Big

So it probably wasn't intentional by TPTB to give J this publicity - but it's probably good publicity all the same, especially as people are going back to look at J & As Jive and can see just how brilliant it was


ETA CatO9Tales - yes!
J and A's dances get better with every viewing - there's always something more to see

I haven't gone back to take another look at anyone's dance this year.
Last year I kept going back to J and A's dances and even now keep having a peek at their best dances - well keep having a little look at nearly all of J and A's dances really


Am now trying to take Soupy's Zen like calm


Night night
CatO9Tales
15-10-2016
Have now watched Ore's version for a second time and can see what Jayfan means - and it doesn't stand up to multiple viewings.

With every single one of Jaliona's dances, no matter how much I enjoyed it first time around, it always improved with a second (3rd, 4th, ad infinitum) viewing. There were always little nuances I had missed.
BMLisa
16-10-2016
I loved Ore's Jive but never felt it was close to challenging Jay's when watching it.

I was just ecstatic for Ore that he'd done so well.

There's been discussion on the forums that Ore's looked more like a competition Jive whereas Jay's was modern and uber cool, so in that way it really doesn't surprise me that Len found it more to his taste than Jay's. It is subjective like anything else.

I would prefer the judges not to hark back to previous winners for comparisons, but I did wonder if Len did because Ore had commented a few times how much in awe he was of Jay's Jive.

Anyway I'm chilled about it because 1) Jay won and other dances will beat his dances' scores, it's inevitable. 2) Ore deserved his moment as it was a great dance. Although I do think if they were dishing out 10s Danny deserved one as well.

I'm also enjoying not being engaged in any one contestant, I seem to be a fan of dances rather than celebs at the moment.
Dfer
16-10-2016
Have had my tin hat on and into the fray on the Ore v Jay thread and think I have been holding my own. Having said that, most people think Jay's jive is the best by a mile
RaffertyCat
16-10-2016
Right, here's my report on tonight's show. I'll put it up first, then catch up. There seems to be several more pages, since I popped in this afternoon. Has something been going on?

Report on SCD. 2016. Week 4.

Spoiler


Greg and Natalie. Salsa

Good effort, lots of energy, danced well. Light on his feet, despite being a bit flat-footed. Was wondering, could musculature be slightly inhibiting his hip-action? I don't know. Slight hesitation before lifts, but they were strong: very impressive. Natalie ended up horizontal, way above his head: epic. No rear-guard jacket this week, so derriere came into its own. Don't be surprised if Greg's rear gets its own Twitter account: if it hasn't already. Overall impression: Entertaining. Bruno called him a 'nanimal'
7; 7; 7; 7 = 28.

Barber's shop quartet helped Claudia with the Ts&Cs. Slightly toe-curling: but they looked very pleased with themselves. They made another appearance, to do the same thing, after a later dance, but I can't remember which one.

Laura and Joe Varney. QuickStep.

Minimal faffing - good. More or less, straight into the dance. Looked very good to me. Although my qualitative assessment of the Q/S has proved less than accurate in the past: as we all know. Fast, intricate footwork, full of energy. Judges were pleased. Len threatened us with his pickled walnuts, again.
8; 8; 8; 9 = 33.

Anastacia and Brendan. Rumba.

Quite good. Slight jerkiness, on occasion: eg. on sinking to the floor. Collided with Brendan's foot, slightly. Were there heel leads? Difficult to tell sometimes, with high heels. Good arm action, though. Hip action was very good, sometimes.
6; 7; 7; 7 = 27.

Claudia and AJ. Foxtrot.

Quite good. Height disparity, a bit of a problem, I think. Lot of tip-toe action from Claudia. Did notice one definite heel-turn (not used to using this degree of scrutinising, so bear with me). Not romantic or elegant, imo: too fast. Cheeky and very young. Odd choice, perhaps: but adds variety, I suppose.
6; 8; 8; 8 = 30.

Ed and Katya. Paso Doble.

Fair effort. But, Oh, Ed! Whirling, flappy arms, stretch my devoted support to the limit. Good sense of rhythm, though. And gives good cape-twirl, considering. If I wasn't Raffy, I would say "Lacks drive, shaping and passion". But I am........so I won't. Sadly, not his best dance. Sorry Ed. Luv ya.
Eviscerated by judges.
2; 5; 5; 4 = 16.

Naga and Pasha. Charleston.

Much better, this week. Missed a kick, near the start, but improved, as it went on. Timing, not all it could be, on occasion. Two of the lifts were a bit too similar, imo (waited, a tad, too long for that second one, I think). Castors on her soles, might have helped, a bit, with those foot swivels.
Judges: mixed.
5; 6; 7; 6.

Louise and Kevin. Foxtrot.

Too much faffing, at the start, though the song intro is very long. When they finally got going, it was elegant, flowing and stylish. Good footwork. Probably not a good idea, to make the cue-check glance towards Kevin, quite so obvious. On the whole, I enjoyed it.
Judges seemed pleased.
8; 8; 8; 9 = 33.

Danny and Oti. QuickStep.

Oh, no! Not another one! I'm such an expert! As you would expect, with his training, Danny was very good. As a dance, it was smooth, slick and well executed. But it could never have the key to that special place in my heart, which houses Jay's Q/S. It lacked the magic, the exuberance and the innocence, that made Jay's Q/S such a joy for me.
Judges were quite happy, tho'
9; 9; 9; 9 = 36.

Daisy and Alijaz. Rumba. "Careless Whisper". George Michael.

Thought this was very good, indeed. Smooth, sleek and seductive: not raunchy, in any way. Well done, Daisy! I've decided that I like her, very much. I hope that she does really well, in the competition.
Craig thought that it "lacked chemistry": code for: 'not filthy enough', for his taste.
The others loved it.
7; 8; 8; 8 = 31.

Judge Rinder and Oksana. Viennese Waltz - to Boom-Banga-Bang. Lulu.

Milkmaid and Lederhosened Yokel.
Too much silly faffing about, at the beginning. I so want this to be a good dance. Oh dear, his feet seem to have an aversion to each other. Also, it seems to be a bit ploddy, or stampy.....Come on JR.... Hope no-one noticed that slight mis-step.....Oh no, another.....and another! Slight timing issues, too, occasionally. Seems, overall, a bit clumsy. He doesn't need to do DAFT: he can really DANCE! So get on and do it, JR! Fly-catcher mouth can be folded up, and put away, please.
6; 7; 7; 7 = 27.

Lesley and Anton. Charleston.

In my view, both of them were excellent. Loved this dance. It was just so good. Energetic, cheeky, and had lots of content. Good timing. Good performance. Hope it gets good marks.
7; 8; 8; 8 = 31. (Thought they were a bit undermarked)

Ore and Joanne. Jive.

Really liked this dance. Stylish, fast, with lots of content. Good attempt at kicks and flicks - not as sharp, and polished as Jay's: natch: but good, nonetheless. Good timing, with lots of energy. He's worked hard this week. I really like this guy, and unlike some, I see not a shred of arrogance. Just boyish charm, exuberance and enthusiasm to do well.....And you did, Ore.
Hey, wait a minute, Len! "Move over, Jay"? Wash your mouth out, immediately!
And Bruno! You can stop that nonsense, right now! There is only ONE JIVE, as we all know.
9; 10; 10; 10 = 39.

As I said, I really like Ore, but that Jive was NOT as good as Jay's. And just by giving it two marks more than Jay's, you can't pretend that it was. Twits.
I've just noticed, as well. They put Ore's Jive on, last-in-show: the same as Jay's last year. Still, none of this is Ore's fault. He's just doing the best that he can do, and hoping he can do better.

Blondsicle
16-10-2016
Hello lovely Jalionistas. Haven't been here for a very long time. Think my last post was it part 2 on the night Jaliona won. Real life kinda took over since then but I've been one of *those* lurkers adding to the thread views (check in at least twice a day!)

Been dragged out of lurkerdom as I was absolutely incensed at Len's comments tonight. I'd been out, got caught up late and couldn't believe what I was hearing!. I've watched Strictly since the first series and I don't recall ever hearing a current dancer being compared to one from an earlier series. Totally unnecessary. Ore's jive was good but in no way was it 10 good.

This series is feeling a little flat for me I've had favourites before, both male and female but Jay and Aliona had the magic and that's missing for me this year. Aliona leaves a big hole in SCD, always loved her quirky choreography (yep, even the much slated vampire tango with Harry) And the current pros don't seem to have the skills of a Vincent, Flavia, Katya V1 & Erin. What's wrong with just dancing the prescribed dance eh?

I dunno if it's the celebs this year or if it's the overproduction now (why does every dance have to have a theme or a story?) but something isn't right. Craig handing out 8s and 9s in week 4? WTF!!!

Ok now I got that off my chest thanks to all you lovely peeps for the pics, videos, poems etc and reports from KD. Went to the tour but had a security was right next to our seats so no pics or vids. Still dithering over going to KD in Edinburgh cos the only person who'd want to go with me is on holiday then. Not sure if I'm brave enough to go alone

Wow that was an essay! Also somewhat sad that now Strictly has spoiled another celeb for me. Sorry to Aliona fans but I loved Matt Baker before he did Strictly but I haven't been able to watch him since. The NAT smug farmer was the perfect description for me and now Ore who I really liked on BBC Breakfast but now is dead to me lol!

Anyway Hi again folks and sorry for lack of emotis. I run noscript on my browser and there are so many scripts running on DS can't figure out which one allows them.. err it seems like I can type in some emoti codes....who knew?
nelliek
16-10-2016
Originally Posted by Blondsicle:
“Hello lovely Jalionistas. Haven't been here for a very long time. Think my last post was it part 2 on the night Jaliona won. Real life kinda took over since then but I've been one of *those* lurkers adding to the thread views (check in at least twice a day!)

(snipped)

Ok now I got that off my chest thanks to all you lovely peeps for the pics, videos, poems etc and reports from KD. Went to the tour but had a security was right next to our seats so no pics or vids. Still dithering over going to KD in Edinburgh cos the only person who'd want to go with me is on holiday then. Not sure if I'm brave enough to go alone ”

The burning question is - How much do you want to see the KD show again? Quite like to? Would like to? Absolute really, really want to?
I would say that 90% of us initially go on our own to the shows and by various means have gradually met other Jalionistas so can now meet up for a chat before/after the show or at the stage door.

Personally, I would never let the fact that I had to go to go somewhere on my own stop me from going.

I don't know where you live but if you want any help in sorting out possible travel options feel free to PM me.

If you decide to go, I don't know if any of this post will help. Ignore the bit about the seating plan though - just go straight to the 'book tickets' option on the theatre website to see the seating plan and what tickets are still available for which performances. From what I read, if you sit in the stalls be prepared for lots of stairs.
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...postcount=4341
nelliek
16-10-2016
Believe I had a couple of errors in the last list I published. Hopefully this one is correct.

As usual, please check I have names, dates, and times correct. Any errors please PM me.
Also PM me if you'd like to be added to the list.


Keep Dancing - Edinburgh
Edinburgh 16 November Wednesday matinee (2.30pm)
Ronny 7

Edinburgh 17 November Thursday evening (7.30pm)
danceagogo
speedtrap

Edinburgh 18 November Friday evening (7.30pm)
celloplayer + plus one
nelliek
Polly-T
speedtrap

Edinburgh 19 November Saturday matinee (2.30pm)
Agrion + plus two
jayfan
jnb_7
nelliek
Snookey
speedtrap

Edinburgh 19 November Saturday evening (7.30pm)
jackybob + plus one
jayfan
Jelly_L
jnb_7
nelliek
SeasideLady
Snookey
speedtrap
Drizzle1
16-10-2016
Originally Posted by janetshep:
“My head knows that soupy is right, but my heart is stamping its feet like a two year old ”

I feel the same.
Gill P
16-10-2016
Originally Posted by Dfer:
“Have had my tin hat on and into the fray on the Ore v Jay thread and think I have been holding my own. Having said that, most people think Jay's jive is the best by a mile”

If you look at the votes in the poll, Jay is way ahead of Ore!
KorkyTheCat
16-10-2016
Originally Posted by Blondsicle:
“Hello lovely Jalionistas...”

Hello Blondsicle! Welcome back!

Yes, last night's rubbish has upset many people but I'm just glad J is out of the contrived farce. No wonder they played it their way ultimately, on their terms, and no wonder A wanted out too.

New day, Sunjay. 💕
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jayfan
16-10-2016
Hi Blondsicle
Enjoyed your 'essay'.
If you do come to Edinburgh, I am sure that you won't be alone. You will see from Nelliek's list (thanks Nelliek) that there are a number of us there. Certainly if you go on Saturday, let me know and we can arrange a meet - up.

Great report Rafferty. Thanks


ETA

Very brave Dfer

BMLisa - not really found many dances to enjoy to be honest as well as not supporting any particular couple. I really enjoyed Lesley and Anton last week but have not felt the urge to watch any of the dances more than once. Last year I rewatched Jaliona obsessively ( you probably knew that...) but I also rewatched Aljaz and Helen, G&G and Anton and Katie. I just have not found the choreography very engaging this year and the props and theming very cheesey. As someone else said, it is still quite early in the series so things may improve.

Someone said that they thought Len only made his comment because Ore had referred to Jay's jive previously. I suspect the whole business was staged. Ore was told to mention it to begin the plot line to build up to last night's big event. We know Len's words of wisdom are largely scripted so none of last night was spontaneous.
J_L_Powell
16-10-2016
Originally Posted by Drizzle1:
“So agree Korky, I am really lost for words.
So disappointed with the judges tonight, Len was even more inconsistent than usual, and as for his comment about move over Jay, just not necessary at all.
It was just so scripted, think it's turning into a bit of a farce.Ores jive was good, but not one I would watch again, I thought Danny's quickstep was better. The judging seems more contrived than ever. and for me spoils the enjoyment of the show,
Imo it will be a move for the better when the judging panel changes next year, can't get any worse.”

I just can't connect with any of the dancers this year. I think they just make me appreciate Jay and Aliona even more. Yes Len's comment made me dislike him even more than I did after last years final. Craig seems to delight in humiliating the dancers, even if they are not very good they have worked hard all week and don't deserve his barbed comments. The judges are spoiling the whole show with ridiculous scores and comments. Think I might stop watching it. Where is the chemistry this year?
sunshineband
16-10-2016
Hellos all *waves*

Another former poster here. I've popped back after the whole Jive comparison on last night's show. I saw the training video earlier in the week where Ore and Joanne talked about Jay's jive. They pretty much said it would take some beating but they were going to have a go. So Len's comment was reflecting that back. It didn't need to be said though. Ore's jive was good, but didn't have the synchronicity of Jaliona's plus I didn't like Ore's posturing and posing,

Also, can you imagine the conversations in wardrobe about Ore's outfit? "This dance has the potential to be watched hundreds of thousands of times so for goodness sake don't send him out with safety pins in his trousers!!"

I so miss the amazing partnership between Jay and Aliona this year. I'm supporting Robert and Oksana this year, and I also like Greg and Natalie, Daisy and Aljaz and Lesley and Anton as those couples seem to have the most genuine connection between them.
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