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Jay McGuiness and Aliona Vilani appreciation thread - Part 6
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jayfan
22-10-2016
Originally Posted by J_L_Powell:
“Just sat and watched the whole show and it just makes me appreciate Jay even more. He made all re dances look so easy. Technique superb. Arms, feet beautiful. Nobody came close tonight. No tens!”

First time I have watched the show through live (at my family's). I enjoyed Ed, the judge, Lesley and Daisy. Danny 's rumba was very nicely danced but never really liked the rumba pre- Jaliona very much anyway. No emotional connection for me with anyone. Really miss Jaliona but also Helen and Aljaz.
Judges' scoring was out of sync with their comments as well imo.
spreeathen
22-10-2016
Btw, is it paso week?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ra0uvOSg6Ak

Side note: Why are Joanne and Ore on autoplay already when Claudia & AJ were only posted less than 10 minutes ago?
hannah 01.
22-10-2016
Originally Posted by spreeathen:
“Btw, is it paso week?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ra0uvOSg6Ak

Side note: Why are Joanne and Ore on autoplay already when Claudia & AJ were only posted less than 10 minutes ago? ”

To push them in the publics eye perhaps. Get votes on the phones.
KorkyTheCat
22-10-2016
Originally Posted by jayfan:
“First time I have watched the show through live (at my family's). I enjoyed Ed, the judge, Lesley and Daisy. Danny 's rumba was very nicely danced but never really liked the rumba pre- Jaliona very much anyway. No emotional connection for me with anyone. Really miss Jaliona but also Helen and Aljaz.
Judges' scoring was out of sync with their comments as well imo.”

I've watched only the dances on the website and saw no emotional connection between any dancers, none between them and dancing, none between them and me, some truly poor dancing, and only Robert seemed to be truly happy.
jayfan
22-10-2016
Originally Posted by KorkyTheCat:
“I've watched only the dances on the website and saw no emotional connection between any dancers, none between them and dancing, none between them and me, some truly poor dancing, and only Robert seemed to be truly happy.”

I know in recent years that the pros have had less say in the staging and themes, but I really think they are missing the pros who have left over the last couple of years - Aliona obviously but also Kristina, Tristan, Iveta, Vincent and Flavia, even Gleb and Ola. Some of the routines are just not very good and the props are really tacky and cheap. It hasn't helped that some of the more familiar pros are no longer in the competition. That said, I do like Gorka and Katya.
No idea who will go tonight.

Watching X Factor now ( don't judge me). The singing is painful. Won't be watching again.
Polly-T
22-10-2016
Crazy voting ....again tonite🙄

For entertainment and dance tonight my top 2 were

Judge Rinder & Oksana - entertainment😉😂👌🏼
Danny & Oti - dance 👏🏻👏🏻

I hope Ed survives too - want him for Halloween🎃

Jo and Ore totally over scored 👎🏻- didn't think that much of their waltz 😐

I know I said I wouldn't do it 😕but no dance tonight compared with Jaliona
Toasted Toad
22-10-2016
Originally Posted by Polly-T:
“Crazy voting ....again tonite🙄

For entertainment and dance tonight my top 2 were

Judge Rinder & Oksana - entertainment😉😂👌🏼
Danny & Oti - dance 👏🏻👏🏻

I hope Ed survives too - want him for Halloween🎃

Jo and Ore totally over scored 👎🏻- didn't think that much of their waltz 😐

I know I said I wouldn't do it 😕but no dance tonight compared with Jaliona”

Yes, what were the judges on? I disagreed with almost every single comment and every single mark tonight....
jayfan
22-10-2016
Originally Posted by Toasted Toad:
“Yes, what were the judges on? I disagreed with almost every single comment and every single mark tonight....”

When Craig gave his score for Louise, even he looked surprised....
KorkyTheCat
22-10-2016
Originally Posted by Polly-T:
“Crazy voting ....again tonite🙄

For entertainment and dance tonight my top 2 were

Judge Rinder & Oksana - entertainment😉😂👌🏼
Danny & Oti - dance 👏🏻👏🏻

I hope Ed survives too - want him for Halloween🎃

Jo and Ore totally over scored 👎🏻- didn't think that much of their waltz 😐

I know I said I wouldn't do it 😕but no dance tonight compared with Jaliona”

I noted that Jo pinched some of Aliona's choreography again - where she runs to Ore - maybe other bits too if I waste another couple of minutes of my life re-watching.
spreeathen
22-10-2016
Originally Posted by KorkyTheCat:
“I've watched only the dances on the website and saw no emotional connection between any dancers, none between them and dancing, none between them and me, some truly poor dancing, and only Robert seemed to be truly happy.”

*blatantly copies and pastes her post from the show discussion thread*

Just watched on youtube - to be honest, only made it through two routines completely, shockingly Ore and Joanne and barely Danny and Oti.

Don't know why but the routines were either not capturing me or something was putting me off.

I think the change of pace in I will always love you kept me in the routine. Not sure it was really worthy of 4 9s though. I'd have to re-watch, but there was a moment in the routine where Ore might have missed a step or went wrong - not really a stop or a small stumble, but something hindered the flow. Can't really warm to Joanne's OTT way of dancing/smiling/gurning/acting.
Amaluna
22-10-2016
Originally Posted by jayfan:
“When Craig gave his score for Louise, even he looked surprised....”

He might have reached the wrong number
Amaluna
22-10-2016
Originally Posted by KorkyTheCat:
“I noted that Jo pinched some of Aliona's choreography again - where she runs to Ore - maybe other bits too if I waste another couple of minutes of my life re-watching. ”

With all my due respect I don't think they are pinching other dancers' choreography unless it is a sequence of moves maybe.
It looks like that to you because you are too familiar with Jaliona's dances. But how many other contestants' and pros' dances are you familiar with.
I think they all copy and integrate moves and I also think that is fine. The pros also have some favourite moves that they would prefer to choreograph too. Today Oti used one move that she also used with Gleb when dancing on Ellie Goulding's Love me like you do on last year's final. Not even sure who holds the rights to it as it was probably choreographed by Gilkison (or someone else I have no idea). But that's fine, if the move is good enough and fits the mood and the dancers, then use it.
Toasted Toad
22-10-2016
Originally Posted by Amaluna:
“With all my due respect I don't think they are pinching other dancers' choreography unless it is a sequence of moves maybe.
It looks like that to you because you are too familiar with Jaliona's dances. But how many other contestants' and pros' dances are you familiar with.
I think they all copy and integrate moves and I also think that is fine. The pros also have some favourite moves that they would prefer to choreograph too. Today Oti used one move that she also used with Gleb when dancing on Ellie Goulding's Love me like you do on last year's final. Not even sure who holds the rights to it as it was probably choreographed by Gilkison (or someone else I have no idea). But that's fine, if the move is good enough and fits the mood and the dancers, then use it.”

There are only a limited number of moves that can be used, especially with amateurs, and some are the technical basics. So unless it's really unusual and distinctive choreography, moves are going to be I would say "repeated" rather than "copied". Aliona won't have done them for the first time either.
Ano
22-10-2016
Ok so I've just watched well.. tried to watch some of the routines of tonight, all I can say is none of those performances especially the ones that were overmarked were very interesting, rather kept me feeling cold very very cold. Ore's routine was no where near deserving of the apparent marks that it was rewarded. Maybe it's the choreography which I actually very much disliked lol it was a bit too exaggerated I know the song is an overblown song but it was quite uncomfortable to view I was actually quite looling forward to watching his waltz since Joanne is a fantastic ballroom dancer but her facial expressions + ores expression + dancing = not a routine worthy of the marks.

Then I stumbled across Jay and Aliona's romantic waltz and it just brought back all those fuzzy warm feelings it was truly a brilliant routine which with Ali's choreo and teaching Jay just shone so bright, both actually did.
hannah 01.
22-10-2016
Have sent a PM StrictlyRed
BionicBard
22-10-2016
It isn't the moves in isolation, it's the way they're woven together between the dancers and the music that makes a dance entrancing and irresistible to watch. And I didn't see even one of those tonight. There were plenty of rather clumsily executed nods to Aliona's choreography from last year, no surprises there.

Nothing above an eight in my view, using the benchmark of marking applied last year.
Anastacia in particular was massively, massively overmarked. Pretty dress, but it looked like she'd got Len's wig stuck between her shoulder blades.

The Beeb must have paid out a fortune to get her, and now they're faced with whether she sticks with Gorka or goes backwards to Brenda. I wonder.

Danny and Oti by far the best, and she looked stunning, but not a patch on last week's QS, which was wonderful to watch. I don't think he wafts well. I didn't get any kind of a story from either of the rumbas this week.

The Judge and Tina Sparkle. Jeez. That choreography - or lack of it! Heavy, leaden, clumpy, bad landings, messy moves - yomping around like a muddy night march in the Brecon Beacons. Neither of the two new female pros is making any kind of an artistic impact on the show this year.

Ed. I feel sorry for him. He does have it in him to do a decent dance, if given the chance, which he most definitely isn't. He looked like a hod carrier with too much cement on board.

Anton - Vicky Giggles must really have it in for him. And poor Lesley looked like the aftermath of Murder at the Rue Morgue. A truly dreadful dance, such a shame.

Claudia and AJ. She does all the right steps in the right order in time with the music. But she isn't a dancer, I'm afraid. Nothing flows, and AJ was gyrating round her like a flying fairy on speed.

Daisy and Alijas. I quite liked the quirky choreography, and in another week they'd have nailed the timing issues. Brave try, hope she stays in. Can't help it, but every time I see her smile I think of Su Pollard.

Louise and Kevin. Well, nice try, but not a patch, I'm afraid. Pretty dress. I think the trouble is there was no story, no chemistry and absolutely no magic. Maybe it's missing a table....

Gregg and Natalie - all I could think of is J's comment about wandering around like a lost wooden spoon. Except in this case it's true. I really like Natalie, she's lovely, but I just can't take to him at all.

And Ore and Joanne. I think he'd benefit from a lesson in 'the dancer's walk' - when not in hold he looked like he was on his way to pick up a takeaway. I thought the choreography lacked content and flow and absolutely no romance. Not his dance, and massively overmarked yet again.

So that's it.

Boooooooring.

Off to watch J&A's tango. I need to see to expunge the image of that other red dress....
Agrion
22-10-2016
Hi folks


Since junior is still upset about last week, we decided to watch Strictly blind this week,so I haven't looked at any blogs or other comments...in the end junior wouldn't watch it at all, so here are my blind opinions (not a ballroom but a percussive dancer, so can only do 'teknic' if it goes wrong...I've put it in a spoiler in case anyone else is on catchup, or doesn't want to hear my opinion!

Spoiler

Anton and Leslie - I liked this, they seem to be getting the hold together so her shoulders come down, and I actually recognised it as a tango. Was a bit of gapping and lost the tango faces occasionally.
Judge Rinder - was fun, he tried to point his feet in the kicks and flicks, he can move his hips, but probably shouldn't high kick as he bends his back when he does them.
Greg- didn't see much quickstep, are they supposed to be that far apart? Why was she smiling and he wasn't? It was OK
Anastacia - I liked that, was fun, not so much gapping, she tried to point her feet, and mostly kept up with Gorka. She's better in hold than on her own, leans forward when on her own.
Louise and Kevin, not much connection between the two, Louise didn't have much hip action, unfortunately the only time they showed her footwork properly she stuttered a bit.
Ed, tried hard, if they hadn't gone for lifts it would have been OK, there was some recognisable footwork there. Didn't like the comedy bit. Show me the way to Amarillo isn't very smooth, is it?
Ore - this had a nice intensity, but there were a couple of stumbles, one in particular on the pivots. He still isn't doing spins - is he finding that difficult? The song was made for spinning, with emphasis on the 'I i I i I' in the hook and they didn't pick that up, which made me a bit grumpy.
Daisy - this was a good idea, but for me she seems to lack drive. She has got very long legs, but doesn't extend them and she looked a bit tentative in places. Good landing from the lift and I liked the last sequence.
Danny and Oti - Isn't Oti fab? But Danny's 1970's shirt didn't do him any favours, as it covered his bottom and although there was some hip action it was hidden. He was very stiff and didn't, for me, capture the sinuosity of the dance.
Cloudia and AJ - What is it with climbing on the judge's desk this week? Actually I liked this, Cloudia is tiny but they really cover the floor and drive into the dance. She looked a bit uncomfortable but had loosened up a lot from the training footage - there was one amazing shot where you saw the muscles in her back just rippling.

So 1, 2,3?

I like a journey, so Cloudia, Ore, Danny



Will go and check how wrong I was now!
Toasted Toad
22-10-2016
Originally Posted by Agrion:
“Hi folks


Since junior is still upset about last week, we decided to watch Strictly blind this week,so I haven't looked at any blogs or other comments...in the end junior wouldn't watch it at all, so here are my blind opinions (not a ballroom but a percussive dancer, so can only do 'teknic' if it goes wrong...I've put it in a spoiler in case anyone else is on catchup, or doesn't want to hear my opinion!

Greg- didn't see much quickstep”

That's 'cos he was doing a Cha cha!!
Toasted Toad
22-10-2016
Originally Posted by BionicBard:
“It isn't the moves in isolation, it's the way they're woven together between the dancers and the music that makes a dance entrancing and irresistible to watch. And I didn't see even one of those tonight. There were plenty of rather clumsily executed nods to Aliona's choreography from last year, no surprises there.

Nothing above an eight in my view,”

I disagree that there were nods to Aliona's choreograhy. If you look back at 13 years of Strictly you will see some of the same things done over and over again. They're beginners. Pros do their best, but there are limitations on them.

But I agree re the deserved scoring.
Agrion
22-10-2016
Originally Posted by Toasted Toad:
“That's 'cos he was doing a Cha cha!! ”

Oh well, at least I didn't imagine I could see a quickstep. Will go and watch it again to see!if it improves now I know what it was supposed to be!
BionicBard
22-10-2016
Originally Posted by Toasted Toad:
“I disagree that there were nods to Aliona's choreograhy. If you look back at 13 years of Strictly you will see some of the same things done over and over again. They're beginners. Pros do their best, but there are limitations on them.

But I agree re the deserved scoring.”

I'm talking about artistry. Aliona's choreography looks fresh and exciting because it is fresh and exciting. It's not about steps, but interpretation, and if you take the artistry out of it you have what we've seen tonight. She and Artem are both brilliant choreographers, and a huge loss to the show.
spreeathen
22-10-2016
Spoiler is in....

And I'm off to bed
CatO9Tales
22-10-2016
Don't think this has been posted, although slightly cross-eyed this evening so could have missed it ..

From the Theatre Royal TR2 Instagram page:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BL4LvzDh...en-at=51307427
Toasted Toad
22-10-2016
Sorry for multi-posting, but anyway - here's my version of events tonight:

Spoiler

Rob Rinder (jive) - I think that if he had had those two extra days, this could have been very good. As it was, it was a bit stompy and he didn't have the technique down. However, lots more straight dance content than in his other routines, making it much more enjoyable. Far and away his best yet.

Lesley & Anton (Tango) - She has at least managed to get her head held up a bit further, but she needs to go still further back and those shoulders way, way DOWN. She got a lot of the Tango atmosphere, but made mistakes so looked skippy (not that we could see what they were because her feet were off camera most of the time) and I think that put her off the drama as well. Not her best. She might drop to B2 this week

Greg & Nat (Cha cha) - he had clear problems with the technique which I'm not going to bother to go into. HOWEVER, I thought a lot of this was redeemed by the fact that, unlike a lot of the beginner bloke cha chas, he focussed a lot on Natalie and really presented her, and was a very masculine presence on the floor, complementing her feminine one. I saw partnership, which is something I love.

Anastacia & Gorka (QS) - Gorka is a much better match for her physically than Brendan. She danced really nicely BUT you could have driven a truck through that gap. I'm surprised Len did not comment. We're not just talking 'not quite in contact', we're talking 'miles apart'.

Louise & Kevin (rumba) - to my very great surprise, and perhaps against the opinion of some, I actually liked this one!! It was sweet and tender, and for once Kevin seemed to be focussing on her rather than himself. Okay, so it won't set the world on fire, but this is the only routine of hers that I would watch again. Again, her shoulder can sometimes come up. This is not a random thing I keep banging on about - with the shoulder raised like that, she could not extend her arm as far (in one case, she really foreshortened the reach because of this), so the line was not as good. Gorgeous dress too - thank heavens Louise has stopped insisting on sacks. But Darcey is right - Kev has really got to push her until she breaks out of 'good'. So she may go wrong in one routine, but if she doesn't let it out, she won't make it to the end.

Ed & Katya (AS) - it was all going so well, until Katya put in a lift that was just too difficult for him. She'd obviously intended it to be a vote-catching spectacular, but it went horribly wrong and he wasn't able to recover. It really wasn't necessary - what they had was enough. Hopefully he'll stay out of the B2.

Ore & Joanne (waltz) - a bit on and off. Jo has done wonders with his posture in hold, but it looked to me as though his musicality suffered and it wasn't smooth. Still not seeing any partnership there and I tend to end up just watching Jo. Predictably, overmarked.

Daisy & Aljaz (charleston) - a charming dance, but they weren't truly in sync. I fear they may get lost in the middle here and find themselves in unexpected B2.

Danny & Oti (rumba) - boy, I missed J here. I think Danny is actually slightly pigeon toed. I am beginning to find all of Danny's dances the same. I did not look at this and think 'rumba'. I just thought 'MT'. They had been talking in VTs about not wanting Danny to look too feminine, but they went too far the other way, and Danny was flinging his arm out really strongly and without shaping. After coming together in the QS beautifully last week, they again look very separate on the dancefloor. Both he and Ore have yet to jump that 'partnership' hurdle.

Claudia & AJ (samba) - she still performs like a gymnast, not a dancer. There were parts that were really good, but I think perhaps it was just too fast for her, and she was rushing to be in place for the next move (kind of like you might do in gymnastics).

So not a vintage evening. And unbelievably, my favourite dance was.... Louise!!!
KorkyTheCat
22-10-2016
Originally Posted by CatO9Tales:
“Don't think this has been posted, although slightly cross-eyed this evening so could have missed it ..

From the Theatre Royal TR2 Instagram page:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BL4LvzDh...en-at=51307427”

No, not posted yet.

Pleased to see J gripping onto his phone.
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