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Old 22-10-2016, 20:32
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Just sat and watched the whole show and it just makes me appreciate Jay even more. He made all re dances look so easy. Technique superb. Arms, feet beautiful. Nobody came close tonight. No tens!
First time I have watched the show through live (at my family's). I enjoyed Ed, the judge, Lesley and Daisy. Danny 's rumba was very nicely danced but never really liked the rumba pre- Jaliona very much anyway. No emotional connection for me with anyone. Really miss Jaliona but also Helen and Aljaz.
Judges' scoring was out of sync with their comments as well imo.
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Old 22-10-2016, 20:33
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Btw, is it paso week?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ra0uvOSg6Ak

Side note: Why are Joanne and Ore on autoplay already when Claudia & AJ were only posted less than 10 minutes ago?
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Old 22-10-2016, 20:38
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Btw, is it paso week?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ra0uvOSg6Ak

Side note: Why are Joanne and Ore on autoplay already when Claudia & AJ were only posted less than 10 minutes ago?
To push them in the publics eye perhaps. Get votes on the phones.
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Old 22-10-2016, 20:41
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First time I have watched the show through live (at my family's). I enjoyed Ed, the judge, Lesley and Daisy. Danny 's rumba was very nicely danced but never really liked the rumba pre- Jaliona very much anyway. No emotional connection for me with anyone. Really miss Jaliona but also Helen and Aljaz.
Judges' scoring was out of sync with their comments as well imo.
I've watched only the dances on the website and saw no emotional connection between any dancers, none between them and dancing, none between them and me, some truly poor dancing, and only Robert seemed to be truly happy.
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Old 22-10-2016, 20:51
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I've watched only the dances on the website and saw no emotional connection between any dancers, none between them and dancing, none between them and me, some truly poor dancing, and only Robert seemed to be truly happy.
I know in recent years that the pros have had less say in the staging and themes, but I really think they are missing the pros who have left over the last couple of years - Aliona obviously but also Kristina, Tristan, Iveta, Vincent and Flavia, even Gleb and Ola. Some of the routines are just not very good and the props are really tacky and cheap. It hasn't helped that some of the more familiar pros are no longer in the competition. That said, I do like Gorka and Katya.
No idea who will go tonight.

Watching X Factor now ( don't judge me). The singing is painful. Won't be watching again.
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Old 22-10-2016, 20:55
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Crazy voting ....again tonite🙄

For entertainment and dance tonight my top 2 were

Judge Rinder & Oksana - entertainment😉😂👌🏼
Danny & Oti - dance 👏🏻👏🏻

I hope Ed survives too - want him for Halloween🎃

Jo and Ore totally over scored 👎🏻- didn't think that much of their waltz 😐

I know I said I wouldn't do it 😕but no dance tonight compared with Jaliona
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Old 22-10-2016, 21:02
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Crazy voting ....again tonite🙄

For entertainment and dance tonight my top 2 were

Judge Rinder & Oksana - entertainment😉😂👌🏼
Danny & Oti - dance 👏🏻👏🏻

I hope Ed survives too - want him for Halloween🎃

Jo and Ore totally over scored 👎🏻- didn't think that much of their waltz 😐

I know I said I wouldn't do it 😕but no dance tonight compared with Jaliona
Yes, what were the judges on? I disagreed with almost every single comment and every single mark tonight....
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Old 22-10-2016, 21:05
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Yes, what were the judges on? I disagreed with almost every single comment and every single mark tonight....
When Craig gave his score for Louise, even he looked surprised....
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Old 22-10-2016, 21:06
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Crazy voting ....again tonite🙄

For entertainment and dance tonight my top 2 were

Judge Rinder & Oksana - entertainment😉😂👌🏼
Danny & Oti - dance 👏🏻👏🏻

I hope Ed survives too - want him for Halloween🎃

Jo and Ore totally over scored 👎🏻- didn't think that much of their waltz 😐

I know I said I wouldn't do it 😕but no dance tonight compared with Jaliona
I noted that Jo pinched some of Aliona's choreography again - where she runs to Ore - maybe other bits too if I waste another couple of minutes of my life re-watching.
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Old 22-10-2016, 21:20
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I've watched only the dances on the website and saw no emotional connection between any dancers, none between them and dancing, none between them and me, some truly poor dancing, and only Robert seemed to be truly happy.
*blatantly copies and pastes her post from the show discussion thread*

Just watched on youtube - to be honest, only made it through two routines completely, shockingly Ore and Joanne and barely Danny and Oti.

Don't know why but the routines were either not capturing me or something was putting me off.

I think the change of pace in I will always love you kept me in the routine. Not sure it was really worthy of 4 9s though. I'd have to re-watch, but there was a moment in the routine where Ore might have missed a step or went wrong - not really a stop or a small stumble, but something hindered the flow. Can't really warm to Joanne's OTT way of dancing/smiling/gurning/acting.
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Old 22-10-2016, 21:25
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When Craig gave his score for Louise, even he looked surprised....
He might have reached the wrong number
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Old 22-10-2016, 21:35
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I noted that Jo pinched some of Aliona's choreography again - where she runs to Ore - maybe other bits too if I waste another couple of minutes of my life re-watching.
With all my due respect I don't think they are pinching other dancers' choreography unless it is a sequence of moves maybe.
It looks like that to you because you are too familiar with Jaliona's dances. But how many other contestants' and pros' dances are you familiar with.
I think they all copy and integrate moves and I also think that is fine. The pros also have some favourite moves that they would prefer to choreograph too. Today Oti used one move that she also used with Gleb when dancing on Ellie Goulding's Love me like you do on last year's final. Not even sure who holds the rights to it as it was probably choreographed by Gilkison (or someone else I have no idea). But that's fine, if the move is good enough and fits the mood and the dancers, then use it.
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Old 22-10-2016, 21:38
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With all my due respect I don't think they are pinching other dancers' choreography unless it is a sequence of moves maybe.
It looks like that to you because you are too familiar with Jaliona's dances. But how many other contestants' and pros' dances are you familiar with.
I think they all copy and integrate moves and I also think that is fine. The pros also have some favourite moves that they would prefer to choreograph too. Today Oti used one move that she also used with Gleb when dancing on Ellie Goulding's Love me like you do on last year's final. Not even sure who holds the rights to it as it was probably choreographed by Gilkison (or someone else I have no idea). But that's fine, if the move is good enough and fits the mood and the dancers, then use it.
There are only a limited number of moves that can be used, especially with amateurs, and some are the technical basics. So unless it's really unusual and distinctive choreography, moves are going to be I would say "repeated" rather than "copied". Aliona won't have done them for the first time either.
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Old 22-10-2016, 21:44
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Ok so I've just watched well.. tried to watch some of the routines of tonight, all I can say is none of those performances especially the ones that were overmarked were very interesting, rather kept me feeling cold very very cold. Ore's routine was no where near deserving of the apparent marks that it was rewarded. Maybe it's the choreography which I actually very much disliked lol it was a bit too exaggerated I know the song is an overblown song but it was quite uncomfortable to view I was actually quite looling forward to watching his waltz since Joanne is a fantastic ballroom dancer but her facial expressions + ores expression + dancing = not a routine worthy of the marks.

Then I stumbled across Jay and Aliona's romantic waltz and it just brought back all those fuzzy warm feelings it was truly a brilliant routine which with Ali's choreo and teaching Jay just shone so bright, both actually did.
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Old 22-10-2016, 21:58
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Old 22-10-2016, 22:13
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It isn't the moves in isolation, it's the way they're woven together between the dancers and the music that makes a dance entrancing and irresistible to watch. And I didn't see even one of those tonight. There were plenty of rather clumsily executed nods to Aliona's choreography from last year, no surprises there.

Nothing above an eight in my view, using the benchmark of marking applied last year.
Anastacia in particular was massively, massively overmarked. Pretty dress, but it looked like she'd got Len's wig stuck between her shoulder blades.

The Beeb must have paid out a fortune to get her, and now they're faced with whether she sticks with Gorka or goes backwards to Brenda. I wonder.

Danny and Oti by far the best, and she looked stunning, but not a patch on last week's QS, which was wonderful to watch. I don't think he wafts well. I didn't get any kind of a story from either of the rumbas this week.

The Judge and Tina Sparkle. Jeez. That choreography - or lack of it! Heavy, leaden, clumpy, bad landings, messy moves - yomping around like a muddy night march in the Brecon Beacons. Neither of the two new female pros is making any kind of an artistic impact on the show this year.

Ed. I feel sorry for him. He does have it in him to do a decent dance, if given the chance, which he most definitely isn't. He looked like a hod carrier with too much cement on board.

Anton - Vicky Giggles must really have it in for him. And poor Lesley looked like the aftermath of Murder at the Rue Morgue. A truly dreadful dance, such a shame.

Claudia and AJ. She does all the right steps in the right order in time with the music. But she isn't a dancer, I'm afraid. Nothing flows, and AJ was gyrating round her like a flying fairy on speed.

Daisy and Alijas. I quite liked the quirky choreography, and in another week they'd have nailed the timing issues. Brave try, hope she stays in. Can't help it, but every time I see her smile I think of Su Pollard.

Louise and Kevin. Well, nice try, but not a patch, I'm afraid. Pretty dress. I think the trouble is there was no story, no chemistry and absolutely no magic. Maybe it's missing a table....

Gregg and Natalie - all I could think of is J's comment about wandering around like a lost wooden spoon. Except in this case it's true. I really like Natalie, she's lovely, but I just can't take to him at all.

And Ore and Joanne. I think he'd benefit from a lesson in 'the dancer's walk' - when not in hold he looked like he was on his way to pick up a takeaway. I thought the choreography lacked content and flow and absolutely no romance. Not his dance, and massively overmarked yet again.

So that's it.

Boooooooring.

Off to watch J&A's tango. I need to see to expunge the image of that other red dress....
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Old 22-10-2016, 22:14
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Hi folks


Since junior is still upset about last week, we decided to watch Strictly blind this week,so I haven't looked at any blogs or other comments...in the end junior wouldn't watch it at all, so here are my blind opinions (not a ballroom but a percussive dancer, so can only do 'teknic' if it goes wrong...I've put it in a spoiler in case anyone else is on catchup, or doesn't want to hear my opinion!

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Will go and check how wrong I was now!
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Old 22-10-2016, 22:22
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Hi folks


Since junior is still upset about last week, we decided to watch Strictly blind this week,so I haven't looked at any blogs or other comments...in the end junior wouldn't watch it at all, so here are my blind opinions (not a ballroom but a percussive dancer, so can only do 'teknic' if it goes wrong...I've put it in a spoiler in case anyone else is on catchup, or doesn't want to hear my opinion!

Greg- didn't see much quickstep
That's 'cos he was doing a Cha cha!!
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Old 22-10-2016, 22:26
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It isn't the moves in isolation, it's the way they're woven together between the dancers and the music that makes a dance entrancing and irresistible to watch. And I didn't see even one of those tonight. There were plenty of rather clumsily executed nods to Aliona's choreography from last year, no surprises there.

Nothing above an eight in my view,
I disagree that there were nods to Aliona's choreograhy. If you look back at 13 years of Strictly you will see some of the same things done over and over again. They're beginners. Pros do their best, but there are limitations on them.

But I agree re the deserved scoring.
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Old 22-10-2016, 22:31
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That's 'cos he was doing a Cha cha!!
Oh well, at least I didn't imagine I could see a quickstep. Will go and watch it again to see!if it improves now I know what it was supposed to be!
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Old 22-10-2016, 22:34
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I disagree that there were nods to Aliona's choreograhy. If you look back at 13 years of Strictly you will see some of the same things done over and over again. They're beginners. Pros do their best, but there are limitations on them.

But I agree re the deserved scoring.
I'm talking about artistry. Aliona's choreography looks fresh and exciting because it is fresh and exciting. It's not about steps, but interpretation, and if you take the artistry out of it you have what we've seen tonight. She and Artem are both brilliant choreographers, and a huge loss to the show.
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Old 22-10-2016, 22:40
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Spoiler is in....

And I'm off to bed
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Old 22-10-2016, 22:59
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Don't think this has been posted, although slightly cross-eyed this evening so could have missed it ..

From the Theatre Royal TR2 Instagram page:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BL4LvzDh...en-at=51307427
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Old 22-10-2016, 22:59
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Sorry for multi-posting, but anyway - here's my version of events tonight:

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Old 22-10-2016, 23:03
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Don't think this has been posted, although slightly cross-eyed this evening so could have missed it ..

From the Theatre Royal TR2 Instagram page:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BL4LvzDh...en-at=51307427
No, not posted yet.

Pleased to see J gripping onto his phone.
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