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Jay McGuiness and Aliona Vilani appreciation thread - Part 6
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Originally Posted by BionicBard:
“Come, come dear Cat
We can't have that!
Your duty's clear
To spill all here
You know us well
No-one will tell
For what you see
(contained or free)
Could never scare
Or quite compare
With the scary sights
On Strictly tonight!”
“Come, come dear Cat
We can't have that!
Your duty's clear
To spill all here
You know us well
No-one will tell
For what you see
(contained or free)
Could never scare
Or quite compare
With the scary sights
On Strictly tonight!”
Safely hammocked
Or all a-dangle?
The truth from Korks
You'll never wrangle.
Flying free
Or underpinned?
The answer is blowing
In the wind.
Spoiler update: It's now been removed from the main show discussion, so if anybody enjoys that thread and wants to return to it, it's safe.
Originally Posted by hannah 01.:
“Ditto in the main.
However the marks tonight. ??????
And yeah I am gonna compare to last year (I know I said I wouldn't but...)
How can the two paso tonight have equal marks (or nearly equal) to the green paso from last year. How does that happen.”
“Ditto in the main.
However the marks tonight. ??????
And yeah I am gonna compare to last year (I know I said I wouldn't but...)
How can the two paso tonight have equal marks (or nearly equal) to the green paso from last year. How does that happen.
”
Lack of clarity of thought? Lack of integrity? Take the money and trot out any old tat? Just guessing....
Originally Posted by jayfan:
“According to DF Karen Hardy approached to be new SCD judge......
Lots of other rumours elsewhere of course.”
“According to DF Karen Hardy approached to be new SCD judge......
Lots of other rumours elsewhere of course.”
I hope not. Joanne and Chloe were much more informative and objective on ITT than Karen. And I can't stand the non-stop gurning.
Originally Posted by Sine_M:
“Lack of clarity of thought? Lack of integrity? Take the money and trot out any old tat? Just guessing....”
“Lack of clarity of thought? Lack of integrity? Take the money and trot out any old tat? Just guessing....”
To my way of thinking it shows
a) the marking is way overstated this year compared to last year and b) last year there was no way the fudges were gonna support a certain young dancer of our acquaintance with constructive comments and marks
Originally Posted by Sine_M:
“I hope not. Joanne and Chloe were much more informative and objective on ITT than Karen. And I can't stand the non-stop gurning.”
“I hope not. Joanne and Chloe were much more informative and objective on ITT than Karen. And I can't stand the non-stop gurning.”
God forbid we end up with la Hardy. That could just finish Strictly off
Originally Posted by hannah 01.:
“To my way of thinking it shows
a) the marking is way overstated this year compared to last year and b) last year there was no way the fudges were gonna support a certain young dancer of our acquaintance with constructive comments and marks
God forbid we end up with la Hardy. That could just finish Strictly off”
“To my way of thinking it shows
a) the marking is way overstated this year compared to last year and b) last year there was no way the fudges were gonna support a certain young dancer of our acquaintance with constructive comments and marks
God forbid we end up with la Hardy. That could just finish Strictly off”
I think comparing year on year isn't helpful. Only looking at scores in proportion to the other performances in the same week/year (the only exception being that situation where a direct comparison was drawn by Len).
What a lot of flat footed and apathetic dancing tonight (well, yesterday now). I'll give my thoughts tomorrow (in a spoiler as usual so anyone not interested can skip easily)
Originally Posted by Toasted Toad:
“I think comparing year on year isn't helpful. Only looking at scores in proportion to the other performances in the same week/year (the only exception being that situation where a direct comparison was drawn by Len).
What a lot of flat footed and apathetic dancing tonight (well, yesterday now). I'll give my thoughts tomorrow (in a spoiler as usual so anyone not interested can skip easily)”
“I think comparing year on year isn't helpful. Only looking at scores in proportion to the other performances in the same week/year (the only exception being that situation where a direct comparison was drawn by Len).
What a lot of flat footed and apathetic dancing tonight (well, yesterday now). I'll give my thoughts tomorrow (in a spoiler as usual so anyone not interested can skip easily)”
And as Len drew a direct comparison to the same dance type year on year so can I.
I can and I will, where I feel the parallel warrants, compare dances I have seen in the past with those currently being performed.
I will also take into account comments and marks made by judges and the idiosyncratic and inconsistent differences therein between weeks and yes even years.
And then I may or may not post. So please feel free to read it or pass on by.
Originally Posted by hannah 01.:
“And as Len drew a direct comparison to the same dance type year on year so can I.
I can and I will, where I feel the parallel warrants, compare dances I have seen in the past with those currently being performed.
I will also take into account comments and marks made by judges and the idiosyncratic and inconsistent differences therein between weeks and yes even years.
And then I may or may not post. So please feel free to read it or pass on by.”
“And as Len drew a direct comparison to the same dance type year on year so can I.
I can and I will, where I feel the parallel warrants, compare dances I have seen in the past with those currently being performed.
I will also take into account comments and marks made by judges and the idiosyncratic and inconsistent differences therein between weeks and yes even years.
And then I may or may not post. So please feel free to read it or pass on by.”
You are of course totally free to make any comparisons you wish. I just don't feel it worth getting het up about inconsistencies from year to year when they can't even get a comparison right between the dancers in the same year or in the same week. We've always seen a disadvantage to going on first, as the judges want to leave room in case a later dance is better, so early dances might get underscored in 'absolute' terms. Hence Jay's salsa, which I thought deserved more than the 4 9's that it got.
Try again. I went to submit this report, and lost the lot. So I'll re-write it. Ho-hum.
I was late in watching the show, so nearly didn't do the first one. I'll (hopefully) get this one up, and then go back to catch up with you all.
SCD 2016. Week 6. Halloween Week.
I was late in watching the show, so nearly didn't do the first one. I'll (hopefully) get this one up, and then go back to catch up with you all.
SCD 2016. Week 6. Halloween Week.
Spoiler
Originally Posted by KorkyTheCat:
“Oooooh, temptation personified... Nom nom nom...
https://www.instagram.com/p/BMLAoK_h2VA/
💕💕💕💕💕💕💕”
“Oooooh, temptation personified... Nom nom nom...
https://www.instagram.com/p/BMLAoK_h2VA/
💕💕💕💕💕💕💕”
Morning All,
Is that Damian in the picture?
Haven't seen all of last night's Strictly. We've watched up to Danny & Oti which I think had the potential to be brilliant if it wasn't for the mistakes. It was nice to see a different approach to the dance. There was some amazing make-up on display. Enjoyed the judge but must admit we spent a lot of time trying to see Oksana's dress and make-up properly.
Off to visit my parents today. Have a good day all. X
Originally Posted by hannah 01.:
“To my way of thinking it shows
a) the marking is way overstated this year compared to last year and b) last year there was no way the fudges were gonna support a certain young dancer of our acquaintance with constructive comments and marks
God forbid we end up with la Hardy. That could just finish Strictly off”
“To my way of thinking it shows
a) the marking is way overstated this year compared to last year and b) last year there was no way the fudges were gonna support a certain young dancer of our acquaintance with constructive comments and marks
God forbid we end up with la Hardy. That could just finish Strictly off”
Completely agree Hannah, she might have all the credentials but she's too in your face, I think I would prefer to keep Len, and that's being desperate. Would prefer someone not connected with the show. Or even Anton.
Originally Posted by hannah 01.:
“And as Len drew a direct comparison to the same dance type year on year so can I.
I can and I will, where I feel the parallel warrants, compare dances I have seen in the past with those currently being performed.
I will also take into account comments and marks made by judges and the idiosyncratic and inconsistent differences therein between weeks and yes even years.
And then I may or may not post. So please feel free to read it or pass on by.”
“And as Len drew a direct comparison to the same dance type year on year so can I.
I can and I will, where I feel the parallel warrants, compare dances I have seen in the past with those currently being performed.
I will also take into account comments and marks made by judges and the idiosyncratic and inconsistent differences therein between weeks and yes even years.
And then I may or may not post. So please feel free to read it or pass on by.”
Please do. "Compare and contrast" - similarities and differences - is a well-known style of writing essays.
RaffertyCat - I haven't seen the programme yet so can't comment on your (or anyone else's) review.
In the meantime, I'm wondering how J would have fared if he were in the show this year. I think he would have been compared with Danny, but they have completely different styles. Hmmm...
Originally Posted by KorkyTheCat:
“Please do. "Compare and contrast" - similarities and differences - is a well-known style of writing essays.
RaffertyCat - I haven't seen the programme yet so can't comment on your (or anyone else's) review.
In the meantime, I'm wondering how J would have fared if he were in the show this year. I think he would have been compared with Danny, but they have completely different styles. Hmmm...”
“Please do. "Compare and contrast" - similarities and differences - is a well-known style of writing essays.
RaffertyCat - I haven't seen the programme yet so can't comment on your (or anyone else's) review.
In the meantime, I'm wondering how J would have fared if he were in the show this year. I think he would have been compared with Danny, but they have completely different styles. Hmmm...”
Food for thought Korky, I think he would have been compared to Danny, but J had Aliona and the chemistry between them just can't be matched.,and also he was / is the better dancer.
Originally Posted by Drizzle1:
“Food for thought Korky, I think he would have been compared to Danny, but J had Aliona and the chemistry between them just can't be matched.,and also he was / is the better dancer.”
“Food for thought Korky, I think he would have been compared to Danny, but J had Aliona and the chemistry between them just can't be matched.,and also he was / is the better dancer.”
Don't really think so - I think they are *different* dancers, so the one you like might be a stylistic preference rather than a 'better' preference if that makes sense. For me, it will always be J, but as I've said before, there's room for both of them.
Danny does not seem to be adapting stylistically to the different dances. I am always seeing MT and his constantly soft knees are beginning to irritate me a little. They're not always appropriate. Jay did dance more 'into' the floor. And of course, we don't get those wonderful extensions and beautiful feet with Danny that we did with J.
Danny & Oti's partnership is in a way beginning to work for me more than it did earlier in the season because of that very inequality that bothered me before. Aliona and Jay matched beautifully. However, Oti is dominating Danny, and I am finding that a little amusing. Maybe she'll get the whips out for their next dance
Originally Posted by KorkyTheCat:
“Please do. "Compare and contrast" - similarities and differences - is a well-known style of writing essays.
RaffertyCat - I haven't seen the programme yet so can't comment on your (or anyone else's) review.
In the meantime, I'm wondering how J would have fared if he were in the show this year. I think he would have been compared with Danny, but they have completely different styles. Hmmm...”
“Please do. "Compare and contrast" - similarities and differences - is a well-known style of writing essays.
RaffertyCat - I haven't seen the programme yet so can't comment on your (or anyone else's) review.
In the meantime, I'm wondering how J would have fared if he were in the show this year. I think he would have been compared with Danny, but they have completely different styles. Hmmm...”
BIB favourably I think. As Drizzle said he had Aliona.
Jay dances lyrically but with the technical essence of the dance under his belt which flows from his toes to his fingertips.
This year's crop of men are dancing very much "by numbers". Yes this is the teknik of a waltz or foxtrot but the "work horse" behind learning that teknik can still be seen.
It also compares and contrasts varying styles of teaching by varying pros.
Originally Posted by ahouch:
“Morning All,
Is that Damian in the picture?
Haven't seen all of last night's Strictly. We've watched up to Danny & Oti which I think had the potential to be brilliant if it wasn't for the mistakes. It was nice to see a different approach to the dance. There was some amazing make-up on display. Enjoyed the judge but must admit we spent a lot of time trying to see Oksana's dress and make-up properly.
Off to visit my parents today. Have a good day all. X”
“Morning All,
Is that Damian in the picture?
Haven't seen all of last night's Strictly. We've watched up to Danny & Oti which I think had the potential to be brilliant if it wasn't for the mistakes. It was nice to see a different approach to the dance. There was some amazing make-up on display. Enjoyed the judge but must admit we spent a lot of time trying to see Oksana's dress and make-up properly.
Off to visit my parents today. Have a good day all. X”
Isn't it his friend from MADD - the one who posted a photo earlier this week?
Enjoyed your review, Rafferty!
Looking forward to your comparison piece, Hannah.
Karen Hardy? Noooooooooooooo!
Originally Posted by hannah 01.:
“BIB favourably I think. As Drizzle said he had Aliona.
Jay dances lyrically but with the technical essence of the dance under his belt which flows from his toes to his fingertips.
This year's crop of men are dancing very much "by numbers". Yes this is the teknik of a waltz or foxtrot but the "work horse" behind learning that teknik can still be seen.
It also compares and contrasts varying styles of teaching by varying pros.”
“BIB favourably I think. As Drizzle said he had Aliona.
Jay dances lyrically but with the technical essence of the dance under his belt which flows from his toes to his fingertips.
This year's crop of men are dancing very much "by numbers". Yes this is the teknik of a waltz or foxtrot but the "work horse" behind learning that teknik can still be seen.
It also compares and contrasts varying styles of teaching by varying pros.”
Yes indeedy, and that and the quietness of his dances is what sets him apart. He understands the different techniques required and applies them. It's not a superficial learning of 100 seconds of 'this dance' then 'this dance'... He's an avid learner for the dancing's sake, not to get by with the minimum required to get to the next dance or week. Very interesting to contrast...
Originally Posted by Drizzle1:
“Food for thought Korky, I think he would have been compared to Danny, but J had Aliona and the chemistry between them just can't be matched.,and also he was / is the better dancer.”
“Food for thought Korky, I think he would have been compared to Danny, but J had Aliona and the chemistry between them just can't be matched.,and also he was / is the better dancer.”
I quite agree that A made all the difference and it's difficult to imagine J dancing with anyone else, but direct comparison is fascinating. I don't see D dancing with his soul or with his heart, which J always does.
Thanks for your reviews of last night Rafferty and Cato. I think you were both a bit kinder than I was.
As I said, I loved Ed, but wonder what the impact was of Bruno giving him 8 and so making him equal to Greg in total points.
I wonder if part of the reason the show is a bit flat because celebs are not really developing. It looks to me as if the only two celebs progressing are Ed and Claudia. Danny's routines are more complex but I don't think he has improved as a dancer. Greg has developed as a performer but his dancing has not really improved. The others are pretty much where they started, as much as I can remember because the only dances I have rewatched are Ed and Katya's. I usually squirm through the comedy couple routines (apart perhaps Jeremy Vine) but I like that they are trying to dance.
I enjoyed G and G much more than Giovanni and Laura. I thought he looked more relaxed and his choreography felt fresher last year.
From the bits I have see, the marking this year looks more random than previously but because I now think that judges are just part of the storyline, I am not that bothered now, particularly as not invested in any couple. They are not consistent within a single show, let alone within a series or between series. When you compare what Jaliona had to do to get an 8 or 9 last year compared with this year, it just shows that. But the judges are not trying to score objectively in the way they would if it was a proper dance competition. They are part of a TV entertainment show.
I do think though that the fact that I could probably win on Mastermind if the topic was SCD series 13, has affected the way I have viewed this series. In previous years, when I wasn't invested, didn't vote and didn't rewatch the dances, I would not have been able to compare scores between series. Most SCD viewers are probably like this
As I said, I loved Ed, but wonder what the impact was of Bruno giving him 8 and so making him equal to Greg in total points.
I wonder if part of the reason the show is a bit flat because celebs are not really developing. It looks to me as if the only two celebs progressing are Ed and Claudia. Danny's routines are more complex but I don't think he has improved as a dancer. Greg has developed as a performer but his dancing has not really improved. The others are pretty much where they started, as much as I can remember because the only dances I have rewatched are Ed and Katya's. I usually squirm through the comedy couple routines (apart perhaps Jeremy Vine) but I like that they are trying to dance.
I enjoyed G and G much more than Giovanni and Laura. I thought he looked more relaxed and his choreography felt fresher last year.
From the bits I have see, the marking this year looks more random than previously but because I now think that judges are just part of the storyline, I am not that bothered now, particularly as not invested in any couple. They are not consistent within a single show, let alone within a series or between series. When you compare what Jaliona had to do to get an 8 or 9 last year compared with this year, it just shows that. But the judges are not trying to score objectively in the way they would if it was a proper dance competition. They are part of a TV entertainment show.
I do think though that the fact that I could probably win on Mastermind if the topic was SCD series 13, has affected the way I have viewed this series. In previous years, when I wasn't invested, didn't vote and didn't rewatch the dances, I would not have been able to compare scores between series. Most SCD viewers are probably like this
Originally Posted by KorkyTheCat:
“Yes indeedy, and that and the quietness of his dances is what sets him apart. He understands the different techniques required and applies them. It's not a superficial learning of 100 seconds of 'this dance' then 'this dance'... He's an avid learner for the dancing's sake, not to get by with the minimum required to get to the next dance or week. Very interesting to contrast...”
“Yes indeedy, and that and the quietness of his dances is what sets him apart. He understands the different techniques required and applies them. It's not a superficial learning of 100 seconds of 'this dance' then 'this dance'... He's an avid learner for the dancing's sake, not to get by with the minimum required to get to the next dance or week. Very interesting to contrast...”
Really agree with these observations and Hannah's
Originally Posted by KorkyTheCat:
“I quite agree that A made all the difference and it's difficult to imagine J dancing with anyone else, but direct comparison is fascinating. I don't see D dancing with his soul or with his heart, which J always does.”
“I quite agree that A made all the difference and it's difficult to imagine J dancing with anyone else, but direct comparison is fascinating. I don't see D dancing with his soul or with his heart, which J always does.”
Agree with this too.
Very glad that Jay was on the last series, not just because of Aliona, but because of the other celebs and pros. As he has said himself, there was a good feeling last year.
Originally Posted by BionicBard:
“Isn't it his friend from MADD - the one who posted a photo earlier this week?
Enjoyed your review, Rafferty!
Looking forward to your comparison piece, Hannah.
Karen Hardy? Noooooooooooooo!”
“Isn't it his friend from MADD - the one who posted a photo earlier this week?
Enjoyed your review, Rafferty!
Looking forward to your comparison piece, Hannah.
Karen Hardy? Noooooooooooooo!”
I agree. I don't think it's Damien. I think it is the guy from MADD.
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