Dance, as with other art forms is one of things that you have to put a little bit of your soul into. Take an identical piece of music played by 2 musicians, one will play the piece technically brilliantly, the right notes in the right order the other may not be so precise but they put their heart into it and that always comes across to the listener. Take J’s singing, he might not always be totally note perfect but there is that little catch in his voice that makes you sit up and listen because you feel that he really means some of the lines he sings; they are not just words. Rufus Hound said something like “J dances from his heart to the ends of his fingers and toes” and to me that is the essence of why J is so mesmerising when he is dancing, he puts his heart and soul into it and that is enough for me. Watching him takes me to another place, another time and I get lost in the dance rather than just thinking “oh that’s competently performed” and “he did a very nice feather wotsit”, that doesn’t matter, I would rather just get lost in his dance.
Jay McGuiness and Aliona Vilani appreciation thread - Part 6
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Originally Posted by KorkyTheCat:
“I quite agree that A made all the difference and it's difficult to imagine J dancing with anyone else, but direct comparison is fascinating. I don't see D dancing with his soul or with his heart, which J always does.”
“I quite agree that A made all the difference and it's difficult to imagine J dancing with anyone else, but direct comparison is fascinating. I don't see D dancing with his soul or with his heart, which J always does.”
Absolutely, and his partnership with Aliona was a gift from the gods. They were truly made to dance together. It was their place, their time and on their terms.
Serendipity!
Originally Posted by Lola the cat:
“Dance, as with other art forms is one of things that you have to put a little bit of your soul into. Take an identical piece of music played by 2 musicians, one will play the piece technically brilliantly, the right notes in the right order the other may not be so precise but they put their heart into it and that always comes across to the listener. Take J’s singing, he might not always be totally note perfect but there is that little catch in his voice that makes you sit up and listen because you feel that he really means some of the lines he sings; they are not just words. Rufus Hound said something like “J dances from his heart to the ends of his fingers and toes” and to me that is the essence of why J is so mesmerising when he is dancing, he puts his heart and soul into it and that is enough for me. Watching him takes me to another place, another time and I get lost in the dance rather than just thinking “oh that’s competently performed” and “he did a very nice feather wotsit”, that doesn’t matter, I would rather just get lost in his dance.”
“Dance, as with other art forms is one of things that you have to put a little bit of your soul into. Take an identical piece of music played by 2 musicians, one will play the piece technically brilliantly, the right notes in the right order the other may not be so precise but they put their heart into it and that always comes across to the listener. Take J’s singing, he might not always be totally note perfect but there is that little catch in his voice that makes you sit up and listen because you feel that he really means some of the lines he sings; they are not just words. Rufus Hound said something like “J dances from his heart to the ends of his fingers and toes” and to me that is the essence of why J is so mesmerising when he is dancing, he puts his heart and soul into it and that is enough for me. Watching him takes me to another place, another time and I get lost in the dance rather than just thinking “oh that’s competently performed” and “he did a very nice feather wotsit”, that doesn’t matter, I would rather just get lost in his dance.”
Well said Lola
Have a good day all.
See you later.
There will be plenty of people who will find Danny a better dancer than Jay but I agree with TT that it comes down to preference in style, in the end. (The Guardian article I posted a link to yesterday, whilst being about dance in general, is a great read on a similar subject)
Danny is very theatrical - and Oti is making the most of that in her choreography. He has the advantage that the routines, and theatrical presentation, have immediate impact. I agree that he doesn't appear to have that innate understanding of style, or the ability to immerse himself in the music. Dance as performance, with the art in the choreography.
Jay is more akin to a (contemporary) ballet dancer, I think (total dance numpty that I am) and Aliona made the most of that in her choreography. He is streets ahead in terms of interpretation, elegance, grace and musicality but I found that sometimes I needed to watch the routines more than once to fully appreciate them - that isn't a criticism, incidentally, I love the fact that it's possible to go back to them time and again and see something more. Dance as art, with the performance in the choreography. Jay has a natural talent and instinct for dance that very few Strictly contestants have possessed. Give me Jay, any day.
Many viewers will only watch the programme, they won't bother to go back and rewatch dances, or they will only bother with something that took their fancy in the first place, so Danny's (and Oti's) theatricality will be a bonus for him. My personal bête noire in Strictly ringerism is musical theatre experience because although the programme is ostensibly about ballroom/latin dancing, the immediate impact of the routines on the television is far more dependent upon theatricality.
Going back to rewatching dances, incidentally, I see that Ore’s jive hasn’t yet hit the 300,000 mark on YouTube and that viewings seem to have dropped off – a dance that doesn’t stand up to multiple viewings?
Danny is very theatrical - and Oti is making the most of that in her choreography. He has the advantage that the routines, and theatrical presentation, have immediate impact. I agree that he doesn't appear to have that innate understanding of style, or the ability to immerse himself in the music. Dance as performance, with the art in the choreography.
Jay is more akin to a (contemporary) ballet dancer, I think (total dance numpty that I am) and Aliona made the most of that in her choreography. He is streets ahead in terms of interpretation, elegance, grace and musicality but I found that sometimes I needed to watch the routines more than once to fully appreciate them - that isn't a criticism, incidentally, I love the fact that it's possible to go back to them time and again and see something more. Dance as art, with the performance in the choreography. Jay has a natural talent and instinct for dance that very few Strictly contestants have possessed. Give me Jay, any day.
Many viewers will only watch the programme, they won't bother to go back and rewatch dances, or they will only bother with something that took their fancy in the first place, so Danny's (and Oti's) theatricality will be a bonus for him. My personal bête noire in Strictly ringerism is musical theatre experience because although the programme is ostensibly about ballroom/latin dancing, the immediate impact of the routines on the television is far more dependent upon theatricality.
Going back to rewatching dances, incidentally, I see that Ore’s jive hasn’t yet hit the 300,000 mark on YouTube and that viewings seem to have dropped off – a dance that doesn’t stand up to multiple viewings?
Originally Posted by Lola the cat:
“I have a feeling that TPTB have decided more on a sibling rivalry contest then a Danny / Louise / Ore contest. I've lost track of days and ITT episodes I've watched but in one of the few I've seen Zoe interviewed Kevin and the main trust of the interview was sibling rivalry - how many trophies they had etc. Be interesting to see whether it is Ore who tries to do the "cool charleston" like J & A but then again with "I've got Candy", they will probably just be dancing with giant lollipops. :)”
“I have a feeling that TPTB have decided more on a sibling rivalry contest then a Danny / Louise / Ore contest. I've lost track of days and ITT episodes I've watched but in one of the few I've seen Zoe interviewed Kevin and the main trust of the interview was sibling rivalry - how many trophies they had etc. Be interesting to see whether it is Ore who tries to do the "cool charleston" like J & A but then again with "I've got Candy", they will probably just be dancing with giant lollipops. :)”
I know it is probably really bad form to quote oneself, but I just remembered I totally called Ore's routine. The choreographer must have been reading this thread for inspiration
I thought that routine from Jwanne and Ore was truly awful - I'd have been ashamed of it, not proud, as Jwanne said she was!
The difference between Danny and Jay for me, is that I could watch Jay dance forever - he's just mesmerising, whereas Danny's a good hoofer, very much in the Tom Chambers mode, and nice to see once in a while.
What I'd really like to see is Jay dancing with Oti, something he's said he'd like to do. And thereby lies the real comparison - Jay with Oti, Danny with Oti. No contest, methinks.
The difference between Danny and Jay for me, is that I could watch Jay dance forever - he's just mesmerising, whereas Danny's a good hoofer, very much in the Tom Chambers mode, and nice to see once in a while.
What I'd really like to see is Jay dancing with Oti, something he's said he'd like to do. And thereby lies the real comparison - Jay with Oti, Danny with Oti. No contest, methinks.
Originally Posted by Lola the cat:
“I know it is probably really bad form to quote oneself, but I just remembered I totally called Ore's routine. The choreographer must have been reading this thread for inspiration”
“I know it is probably really bad form to quote oneself, but I just remembered I totally called Ore's routine. The choreographer must have been reading this thread for inspiration
”
I remembered your post as I watched it !
Originally Posted by BionicBard:
“I thought that routine from Jwanne and Ore was truly awful - I'd have been ashamed of it, not proud, as Jwanne said she was!
The difference between Danny and Jay for me, is that I could watch Jay dance forever - he's just mesmerising, whereas Danny's a good hoofer, very much in the Tom Chambers mode, and nice to see once in a while.
What I'd really like to see is Jay dancing with Oti, something he's said he'd like to do. And thereby lies the real comparison - Jay with Oti, Danny with Oti. No contest, methinks.”
“I thought that routine from Jwanne and Ore was truly awful - I'd have been ashamed of it, not proud, as Jwanne said she was!
The difference between Danny and Jay for me, is that I could watch Jay dance forever - he's just mesmerising, whereas Danny's a good hoofer, very much in the Tom Chambers mode, and nice to see once in a while.
What I'd really like to see is Jay dancing with Oti, something he's said he'd like to do. And thereby lies the real comparison - Jay with Oti, Danny with Oti. No contest, methinks.”
Aliona's teaching methods are very different from Oti's when compared and I'm not sure how J would have responded - pinching, shouting, adversely criticising... I think J and A matched and complemented each other in temperament as well as in other ways.
I have nothing against Danny but prefer others this year.
Originally Posted by KorkyTheCat:
“Aliona's teaching methods are very different from Oti's when compared and I'm not sure how J would have responded - pinching, shouting, adversely criticising... I think J and A matched and complemented each other in temperament as well as in other ways.
I have nothing against Danny but prefer others this year.”
“Aliona's teaching methods are very different from Oti's when compared and I'm not sure how J would have responded - pinching, shouting, adversely criticising... I think J and A matched and complemented each other in temperament as well as in other ways.
I have nothing against Danny but prefer others this year.”
Gloti's relationship appears to be totally different from Jaliona's. Jay and Aliona were friends. I think Danny and Oti are not. Perfectly friendly, yes. I get the impression that they get on fine. However, they appear to be very much teacher and pupil. I think this is reflected on the dancefloor.
Danny's theatricality and acting experience is also very much evident. If ringuhs have both types of experience (acting and dance) that really does give them exceptional ringuh status.
Hmmm. Teaching methods. Well, I think that very experienced pros like Aliona are pretty astute as to what will work with whom. In Jay's case, she had a willing, hardworking and respectful pupil who didn't rate himself at all. So she nurtured that tremendous talent and brought out the best in him. On the way, he also brought out the best in her. He said himself that they talked about 'the most pretentious stuff' for hours and hours, and he clearly felt really able to be his true self with her, and maybe she with him too. So it was a true partnership of mind and soul, as well as dance. I wasn't keen on Aliona before last year, so it was nice to see her softer side.
I wouldn't ever say that Jay wouldn't find another dance partner with whom to make magic, but it would be very different magic than with Aliona - that was really, really special.
Jay with Oti, I feel, may also have been a dance partnership with terrific potential. Of course, until we see them dance together we'll never know, and we won't have the ability to see how their partnership would develop. The thing about Jay is that he does seem to bring out the best in people, and in Oti's case, maybe her more gentle and playful side - we saw a bit of that in the clauditorium after the tango. I have no doubt they'd have been pretty sensational dance-wise - both are brilliantly talented, so I have no worries on that front. Their latin dances would be electric, I'm sure.
Talking about it with OH this morning, he said that the whole Strictly experience last year was like when you're working with a group of people and everybody clicks, you all work hard and have a blast doing it. Then, one by one, everybody moves on and things are never really the same again. I think that's possibly what J&A felt going back to dance their jive on Strictly this year. And it's what I think is missing from this year's show. None of the dancers seem to be particularly invested in any of the others, and it seems to be the same with those pros who aren't related, married or engaged to each other.
What I'm really looking forward to now is seeing Jay's theatrical debut. It may be coming a bit later than he'd hoped all those years ago at MADD, but everything he's picked up along the way will give him that much more to bring to the show.
It's interesting to see him with Diana, they seem to be developing a kind of teasing rapport. I loved her being so impressed with his ability to take life as it comes, and enjoy each moment for what it is before moving on to whatever may present itself in the future. That's a great attitude to have, as she said, and I agree wholeheartedly!
I wouldn't ever say that Jay wouldn't find another dance partner with whom to make magic, but it would be very different magic than with Aliona - that was really, really special.
Jay with Oti, I feel, may also have been a dance partnership with terrific potential. Of course, until we see them dance together we'll never know, and we won't have the ability to see how their partnership would develop. The thing about Jay is that he does seem to bring out the best in people, and in Oti's case, maybe her more gentle and playful side - we saw a bit of that in the clauditorium after the tango. I have no doubt they'd have been pretty sensational dance-wise - both are brilliantly talented, so I have no worries on that front. Their latin dances would be electric, I'm sure.
Talking about it with OH this morning, he said that the whole Strictly experience last year was like when you're working with a group of people and everybody clicks, you all work hard and have a blast doing it. Then, one by one, everybody moves on and things are never really the same again. I think that's possibly what J&A felt going back to dance their jive on Strictly this year. And it's what I think is missing from this year's show. None of the dancers seem to be particularly invested in any of the others, and it seems to be the same with those pros who aren't related, married or engaged to each other.
What I'm really looking forward to now is seeing Jay's theatrical debut. It may be coming a bit later than he'd hoped all those years ago at MADD, but everything he's picked up along the way will give him that much more to bring to the show.
It's interesting to see him with Diana, they seem to be developing a kind of teasing rapport. I loved her being so impressed with his ability to take life as it comes, and enjoy each moment for what it is before moving on to whatever may present itself in the future. That's a great attitude to have, as she said, and I agree wholeheartedly!
I'm totally biased towards Aliona and would hate to see Jay dance with anyone else.
I absolutely hated Harry dancing with Jo. I've always said winners should never dance with a diff pro it's never quite the same.
However I loved Louis and Aliona together so I totally accept that it's just my bias talking and I'm sure if Jay was with Oti they'd look amazing together, and they'd absolutely get on amazingly, but I can't see the friendship he formed with Aliona forming between him and Oti. It was something special. Very rare that you still see pro and celeb hang round socially a year after the show.
All that being said I will literally have the biggest tantrum ever if he danced with someone else in a special and I'm not sure he would. He strikes me as the type to look back at Strictly as something he did with Ali and that wouldn't be the same without her and I could also imagine him saying no to a Christmas Special if he couldn't dance with her. But I may be wrong he seemed to get on well with both Natalie and Oti.
Again I see I'm a big fat hypocrite but I don't care 😜
I absolutely hated Harry dancing with Jo. I've always said winners should never dance with a diff pro it's never quite the same.
However I loved Louis and Aliona together so I totally accept that it's just my bias talking and I'm sure if Jay was with Oti they'd look amazing together, and they'd absolutely get on amazingly, but I can't see the friendship he formed with Aliona forming between him and Oti. It was something special. Very rare that you still see pro and celeb hang round socially a year after the show.
All that being said I will literally have the biggest tantrum ever if he danced with someone else in a special and I'm not sure he would. He strikes me as the type to look back at Strictly as something he did with Ali and that wouldn't be the same without her and I could also imagine him saying no to a Christmas Special if he couldn't dance with her. But I may be wrong he seemed to get on well with both Natalie and Oti.
Again I see I'm a big fat hypocrite but I don't care 😜
Originally Posted by BMLisa:
“I'm totally biased towards Aliona and would hate to see Jay dance with anyone else.
I absolutely hated Harry dancing with Jo. I've always said winners should never dance with a diff pro it's never quite the same.
However I loved Louis and Aliona together so I totally accept that it's just my bias talking and I'm sure if Jay was with Oti they'd look amazing together, and they'd absolutely get on amazingly, but I can't see the friendship he formed with Aliona forming between him and Oti. It was something special. Very rare that you still see pro and celeb hang round socially a year after the show.
All that being said I will literally have the biggest tantrum ever if he danced with someone else in a special and I'm not sure he would. He strikes me as the type to look back at Strictly as something he did with Ali and that wouldn't be the same without her and I could also imagine him saying no to a Christmas Special if he couldn't dance with her. But I may be wrong he seemed to get on well with both Natalie and Oti.
Again I see I'm a big fat hypocrite but I don't care 😜”
“I'm totally biased towards Aliona and would hate to see Jay dance with anyone else.
I absolutely hated Harry dancing with Jo. I've always said winners should never dance with a diff pro it's never quite the same.
However I loved Louis and Aliona together so I totally accept that it's just my bias talking and I'm sure if Jay was with Oti they'd look amazing together, and they'd absolutely get on amazingly, but I can't see the friendship he formed with Aliona forming between him and Oti. It was something special. Very rare that you still see pro and celeb hang round socially a year after the show.
All that being said I will literally have the biggest tantrum ever if he danced with someone else in a special and I'm not sure he would. He strikes me as the type to look back at Strictly as something he did with Ali and that wouldn't be the same without her and I could also imagine him saying no to a Christmas Special if he couldn't dance with her. But I may be wrong he seemed to get on well with both Natalie and Oti.
Again I see I'm a big fat hypocrite but I don't care 😜”
I don't think Jay would ever go back to SCD without Aliona.
I think the show for him was all about him and Aliona dancing together by the end. Nothing else.
Originally Posted by jayfan:
“Some photos out today of Jay and Diana on a car promoting Big. Haven't found source yet.”
“Some photos out today of Jay and Diana on a car promoting Big. Haven't found source yet.”
It's from this, Jayfan
http://evoke.ie/events/big-the-music...y-theatre-2016
PS - thanks to Deise
Originally Posted by Lola the cat:
“It's from this, Jayfan
http://evoke.ie/events/big-the-music...y-theatre-2016
PS - thanks to Deise”
“It's from this, Jayfan
http://evoke.ie/events/big-the-music...y-theatre-2016
PS - thanks to Deise
”
Thanks Lola and DD
Video of Gary promoting Big too.
Originally Posted by jayfan:
“I don't think Jay would ever go back to SCD without Aliona.
I think the show for him was all about him and Aliona dancing together by the end. Nothing else.”
“I don't think Jay would ever go back to SCD without Aliona.
I think the show for him was all about him and Aliona dancing together by the end. Nothing else.”
See that's the impression I get (not having been a Wanted fan prior) and I don't think it's beyond possibility. I think he would do it if Aliona was there. I think Ali would do it if it fitted what was going on for her because it was clearly special for her too.
I'm sure the Beeb will be desperate to have him back on at some stage and I'm sure they'd have Aliona back to accommodate that so I'm hopeful it will happen at some point.
Originally Posted by BMLisa:
“I'm totally biased towards Aliona and would hate to see Jay dance with anyone else.
I absolutely hated Harry dancing with Jo. I've always said winners should never dance with a diff pro it's never quite the same.
However I loved Louis and Aliona together so I totally accept that it's just my bias talking and I'm sure if Jay was with Oti they'd look amazing together, and they'd absolutely get on amazingly, but I can't see the friendship he formed with Aliona forming between him and Oti. It was something special. Very rare that you still see pro and celeb hang round socially a year after the show.
All that being said I will literally have the biggest tantrum ever if he danced with someone else in a special and I'm not sure he would. He strikes me as the type to look back at Strictly as something he did with Ali and that wouldn't be the same without her and I could also imagine him saying no to a Christmas Special if he couldn't dance with her. But I may be wrong he seemed to get on well with both Natalie and Oti.
Again I see I'm a big fat hypocrite but I don't care 😜”
“I'm totally biased towards Aliona and would hate to see Jay dance with anyone else.
I absolutely hated Harry dancing with Jo. I've always said winners should never dance with a diff pro it's never quite the same.
However I loved Louis and Aliona together so I totally accept that it's just my bias talking and I'm sure if Jay was with Oti they'd look amazing together, and they'd absolutely get on amazingly, but I can't see the friendship he formed with Aliona forming between him and Oti. It was something special. Very rare that you still see pro and celeb hang round socially a year after the show.
All that being said I will literally have the biggest tantrum ever if he danced with someone else in a special and I'm not sure he would. He strikes me as the type to look back at Strictly as something he did with Ali and that wouldn't be the same without her and I could also imagine him saying no to a Christmas Special if he couldn't dance with her. But I may be wrong he seemed to get on well with both Natalie and Oti.
Again I see I'm a big fat hypocrite but I don't care 😜”
Found myself smiling reading this 😆😋👍
Originally Posted by Lola the cat:
“It's from this, Jayfan
http://evoke.ie/events/big-the-music...y-theatre-2016
PS - thanks to Deise”
“It's from this, Jayfan
http://evoke.ie/events/big-the-music...y-theatre-2016
PS - thanks to Deise
”
Great pics, thanks Lola and Deise - would be lovely to see her back here.
Originally Posted by BMLisa:
“See that's the impression I get (not having been a Wanted fan prior) and I don't think it's beyond possibility. I think he would do it if Aliona was there. I think Ali would do it if it fitted what was going on for her because it was clearly special for her too.
I'm sure the Beeb will be desperate to have him back on at some stage and I'm sure they'd have Aliona back to accommodate that so I'm hopeful it will happen at some point.”
“See that's the impression I get (not having been a Wanted fan prior) and I don't think it's beyond possibility. I think he would do it if Aliona was there. I think Ali would do it if it fitted what was going on for her because it was clearly special for her too.
I'm sure the Beeb will be desperate to have him back on at some stage and I'm sure they'd have Aliona back to accommodate that so I'm hopeful it will happen at some point.”
I'm sure they would love to have them both back too. I'd love to see them really go into Argentine Tango - J was clearly fascinated by it, and look at the amazing dance they pulled off after so little rehearsal time!
Originally Posted by BionicBard:
“I'm sure they would love to have them both back too. I'd love to see them really go into Argentine Tango - J was clearly fascinated by it, and look at the amazing dance they pulled off after so little rehearsal time!”
“I'm sure they would love to have them both back too. I'd love to see them really go into Argentine Tango - J was clearly fascinated by it, and look at the amazing dance they pulled off after so little rehearsal time!”
Not sure a Xmas AT would win its usually a ballroom. I'd actually like to see him smash a Xmas Quickstep.
Originally Posted by BionicBard:
“Hmmm. Teaching methods. Well, I think that very experienced pros like Aliona are pretty astute as to what will work with whom. In Jay's case, she had a willing, hardworking and respectful pupil who didn't rate himself at all. So she nurtured that tremendous talent and brought out the best in him. On the way, he also brought out the best in her. He said himself that they talked about 'the most pretentious stuff' for hours and hours, and he clearly felt really able to be his true self with her, and maybe she with him too. So it was a true partnership of mind and soul, as well as dance. I wasn't keen on Aliona before last year, so it was nice to see her softer side.
I wouldn't ever say that Jay wouldn't find another dance partner with whom to make magic, but it would be very different magic than with Aliona - that was really, really special.
Jay with Oti, I feel, may also have been a dance partnership with terrific potential. Of course, until we see them dance together we'll never know, and we won't have the ability to see how their partnership would develop. The thing about Jay is that he does seem to bring out the best in people, and in Oti's case, maybe her more gentle and playful side - we saw a bit of that in the clauditorium after the tango. I have no doubt they'd have been pretty sensational dance-wise - both are brilliantly talented, so I have no worries on that front. Their latin dances would be electric, I'm sure.
Talking about it with OH this morning, he said that the whole Strictly experience last year was like when you're working with a group of people and everybody clicks, you all work hard and have a blast doing it. Then, one by one, everybody moves on and things are never really the same again. I think that's possibly what J&A felt going back to dance their jive on Strictly this year. And it's what I think is missing from this year's show. None of the dancers seem to be particularly invested in any of the others, and it seems to be the same with those pros who aren't related, married or engaged to each other.
What I'm really looking forward to now is seeing Jay's theatrical debut. It may be coming a bit later than he'd hoped all those years ago at MADD, but everything he's picked up along the way will give him that much more to bring to the show.
It's interesting to see him with Diana, they seem to be developing a kind of teasing rapport. I loved her being so impressed with his ability to take life as it comes, and enjoy each moment for what it is before moving on to whatever may present itself in the future. That's a great attitude to have, as she said, and I agree wholeheartedly!”
“Hmmm. Teaching methods. Well, I think that very experienced pros like Aliona are pretty astute as to what will work with whom. In Jay's case, she had a willing, hardworking and respectful pupil who didn't rate himself at all. So she nurtured that tremendous talent and brought out the best in him. On the way, he also brought out the best in her. He said himself that they talked about 'the most pretentious stuff' for hours and hours, and he clearly felt really able to be his true self with her, and maybe she with him too. So it was a true partnership of mind and soul, as well as dance. I wasn't keen on Aliona before last year, so it was nice to see her softer side.
I wouldn't ever say that Jay wouldn't find another dance partner with whom to make magic, but it would be very different magic than with Aliona - that was really, really special.
Jay with Oti, I feel, may also have been a dance partnership with terrific potential. Of course, until we see them dance together we'll never know, and we won't have the ability to see how their partnership would develop. The thing about Jay is that he does seem to bring out the best in people, and in Oti's case, maybe her more gentle and playful side - we saw a bit of that in the clauditorium after the tango. I have no doubt they'd have been pretty sensational dance-wise - both are brilliantly talented, so I have no worries on that front. Their latin dances would be electric, I'm sure.
Talking about it with OH this morning, he said that the whole Strictly experience last year was like when you're working with a group of people and everybody clicks, you all work hard and have a blast doing it. Then, one by one, everybody moves on and things are never really the same again. I think that's possibly what J&A felt going back to dance their jive on Strictly this year. And it's what I think is missing from this year's show. None of the dancers seem to be particularly invested in any of the others, and it seems to be the same with those pros who aren't related, married or engaged to each other.
What I'm really looking forward to now is seeing Jay's theatrical debut. It may be coming a bit later than he'd hoped all those years ago at MADD, but everything he's picked up along the way will give him that much more to bring to the show.
It's interesting to see him with Diana, they seem to be developing a kind of teasing rapport. I loved her being so impressed with his ability to take life as it comes, and enjoy each moment for what it is before moving on to whatever may present itself in the future. That's a great attitude to have, as she said, and I agree wholeheartedly!”
I too didn't really like Aliona before last year. She seemed a bit sharp and hard. As has been said with Jay she showed her softer side. He brought it out in her. I think she realised that the gentle touch was needed to bring the best out of him. She was always there for the hugs and " a kiss from teacher " when things went wrong ie QS and foxtrot and when the fudges did their worst. I think she saw because of his shyness and lack of confidence in his abilities, he needed re-assurance in a gentle way instead of toughness and harsh cracking of the whip. Boy did it work😁
Jay and Oti dancing together, I think would be amazing too. A different sort of partnership. Oti is a bit edgy and Jay likes that. I think they would have a lot of fun as they seemed, last year to get on well. I thought it was lovely that Oti went to watch Jay in KD at Wimbledon.
In a way it is easier for Jay to take things how they come, because he has the financial buffer of The Wanted, that has allowed him to take breaks in his career, his road trip and 6 months off after Strictly. Not many people in the industry have that luxury. Diana said that it is very hard, lots of no, no, no before you get a yes and if you haven't got financial back up, it must be a worry about where the next job is coming from. Totally different personalities in that respect but both willing to work very hard to achieve their best. I hope they have " chemistry " on stage together
Originally Posted by BMLisa:
“Not sure a Xmas AT would win its usually a ballroom. I'd actually like to see him smash a Xmas Quickstep.”
“Not sure a Xmas AT would win its usually a ballroom. I'd actually like to see him smash a Xmas Quickstep.”
I'm not talking about a Christmas special - more about a separate programme devoted to Argentine Tango, preferably filmed in Argentina. I'd like to see them in that environment together, delving into the dance. J particularly is a natural for TV, and their relationship would make it very watchable.
Originally Posted by Lola the cat:
“It's from this, Jayfan
http://evoke.ie/events/big-the-music...y-theatre-2016
PS - thanks to Deise”
“It's from this, Jayfan
http://evoke.ie/events/big-the-music...y-theatre-2016
PS - thanks to Deise
”
They're lovely pictures of Jay - thanks Lola and Deise - and Jayfan for first mentioning them.
Jay has his naughty expression in the first one ...
Originally Posted by BionicBard:
“I'm not talking about a Christmas special - more about a separate programme devoted to Argentine Tango, preferably filmed in Argentina. I'd like to see them in that environment together, delving into the dance. J particularly is a natural for TV, and their relationship would make it very watchable.”
“I'm not talking about a Christmas special - more about a separate programme devoted to Argentine Tango, preferably filmed in Argentina. I'd like to see them in that environment together, delving into the dance. J particularly is a natural for TV, and their relationship would make it very watchable.”
Now that would be super cool!
Originally Posted by Dfer:
“I too didn't really like Aliona before last year. She seemed a bit sharp and hard. As has been said with Jay she showed her softer side. He brought it out in her. I think she realised that the gentle touch was needed to bring the best out of him. She was always there for the hugs and " a kiss from teacher " when things went wrong ie QS and foxtrot and when the fudges did their worst. I think she saw because of his shyness and lack of confidence in his abilities, he needed re-assurance in a gentle way instead of toughness and harsh cracking of the whip. Boy did it work😁
Jay and Oti dancing together, I think would be amazing too. A different sort of partnership. Oti is a bit edgy and Jay likes that. I think they would have a lot of fun as they seemed, last year to get on well. I thought it was lovely that Oti went to watch Jay in KD at Wimbledon.
In a way it is easier for Jay to take things how they come, because he has the financial buffer of The Wanted, that has allowed him to take breaks in his career, his road trip and 6 months off after Strictly. Not many people in the industry have that luxury. Diana said that it is very hard, lots of no, no, no before you get a yes and if you haven't got financial back up, it must be a worry about where the next job is coming from. Totally different personalities in that respect but both willing to work very hard to achieve their best. I hope they have " chemistry " on stage together”
“I too didn't really like Aliona before last year. She seemed a bit sharp and hard. As has been said with Jay she showed her softer side. He brought it out in her. I think she realised that the gentle touch was needed to bring the best out of him. She was always there for the hugs and " a kiss from teacher " when things went wrong ie QS and foxtrot and when the fudges did their worst. I think she saw because of his shyness and lack of confidence in his abilities, he needed re-assurance in a gentle way instead of toughness and harsh cracking of the whip. Boy did it work😁
Jay and Oti dancing together, I think would be amazing too. A different sort of partnership. Oti is a bit edgy and Jay likes that. I think they would have a lot of fun as they seemed, last year to get on well. I thought it was lovely that Oti went to watch Jay in KD at Wimbledon.
In a way it is easier for Jay to take things how they come, because he has the financial buffer of The Wanted, that has allowed him to take breaks in his career, his road trip and 6 months off after Strictly. Not many people in the industry have that luxury. Diana said that it is very hard, lots of no, no, no before you get a yes and if you haven't got financial back up, it must be a worry about where the next job is coming from. Totally different personalities in that respect but both willing to work very hard to achieve their best. I hope they have " chemistry " on stage together”
I don't think it's so much to do with finance as his general attitude to life - his mother once commented on how very laid back he is. It's certainly a good attitude to have in terms of really getting the most out of whatever you're experiencing at the time, good or bad. There's a lot to be said for going with the flow.
What's so interesting is the comparison between Diana's being very clear where she wants to go, eager to say so in detail and keen to stress how hard the business can be, and Jay enjoying what he's doing now for as long as it lasts, then seeing what else comes up. Of course, he's weathered his share of disappointments too - being constantly turned down before he got his 'yes' for The Wanted, and again when the band broke up, which I think probably hit him harder than any of the others.
I often wonder what would have happened if he'd opted for the circus audition? I'm willing to bet he'd have made the best of that too, wherever it took him.
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