Jay McGuiness and Aliona Vilani appreciation thread - Part 6

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Dfer

30-10-2016

Originally Posted by BionicBard:
“I don't think it's so much to do with finance as his general attitude to life - his mother once commented on how very laid back he is. It's certainly a good attitude to have in terms of really getting the most out of whatever you're experiencing at the time, good or bad. There's a lot to be said for going with the flow.

What's so interesting is the comparison between Diana's being very clear where she wants to go, eager to say so in detail and keen to stress how hard the business can be, and Jay enjoying what he's doing now for as long as it lasts, then seeing what else comes up. Of course, he's weathered his share of disappointments too - being constantly turned down before he got his 'yes' for The Wanted, and again when the band broke up, which I think probably hit him harder than any of the others.

I often wonder what would have happened if he'd opted for the circus audition? I'm willing to bet he'd have made the best of that too, wherever it took him.”

I wasn't having a go at Jay, I agree that he has a naturally laid back attitude to life but it is obviously easier to be laid back and just wait to see what comes your way career wise if you are not worried where your next penny is coming from. Diana probably hasn't had that luxury so is much more fixed on what comes next, and having been in a few musicals and plays knows just how hard show biz is. I was amused how shocked she was to hear that Jay wanted to do Big for years. Bodes well for all of us that want to see him in the West End and hope he will stay with it to at least September.

BionicBard

30-10-2016

Originally Posted by Dfer:
“I wasn't having a go at Jay, I agree that he has a naturally laid back attitude to life but it is obviously easier to be laid back and just wait to see what comes your way career wise if you are not worried where your next penny is coming from. Diana probably hasn't had that luxury so is much more fixed on what comes next, and having been in a few musicals and plays knows just how hard show biz is. I was amused how shocked she was to hear that Jay wanted to do Big for years. Bodes well for all of us that want to see him in the West End and hope he will stay with it to at least September.”

I'm sure I read somewhere that TW were called to a meeting with their accountants whom Jay apparently said took two hours to tell them they were broke. Not quite sure at what stage that was, but clearly not the greatest news they'd ever had and an eye-opener to just how tough showbiz can be. It's happened to bands before, and will probably happen again, but that doesn't make it any the less upsetting for those involved. So I think both J and Diana have seen the bleak side, and hopefully will now enjoy the rewards together!

sky_lark

30-10-2016

Afternoon everyone.

I am a bit meh!........ about Strictly......cannot seem to get interested in anyone this year, all poor imitations.

I think I could, if push came to shove support Claudia and AJ. They have been given poor music and such a height difference and yet they manage to pull off a lovely American Smooth.
Claudia was delightful, good technique, heel turns, smooth extensions really liked it and should have been at top of leader board on their own.

Cannot invest in Ore don't know why

I was mulling over (what I felt was the best choreography of the evening) Danny and Oti
shame about the mistakes though did really well to get back on track

I like Danny but I think the reason I cannot get into his style of dance is that he performs showdances, all his dances are West End style and so will never hold a candle to Jay and Alionas technique. He doesn't point his toes, he is too light on the dancefloor as if he is barely touching it instead of driving through it. He is, in my opinion prob the best (dancer) on scd this year but he dances like he is in a musical, not on a ballroom.

Thats not a criticismof Oti by anymeans I love her choreography.

Heck......I am like buses, nothing for ages then 3 turn up all at once.

jayfan

30-10-2016

Originally Posted by BionicBard:
“I'm sure I read somewhere that TW were called to a meeting with their accountants whom Jay apparently said took two hours to tell them they were broke. Not quite sure at what stage that was, but clearly not the greatest news they'd ever had and an eye-opener to just how tough showbiz can be. It's happened to bands before, and will probably happen again, but that doesn't make it any the less upsetting for those involved. So I think both J and Diana have seen the bleak side, and hopefully will now enjoy the rewards together!”

Hi BB
I read/ watched that somewhere too. I think it was just before they changed management. Nathan has also said that they didn't make much money although he and some of the others have at least bought a house (or two). They certainly aren't multi- millionaires like 1D. Presumably Jay had something set aside to pay for his 'gap' year and then winning SCD gave him a bit of a financial buffer before KD and Big. He doesn't appear to have expensive tastes beyond traveling and flying back and forth between UK and the US. But I guess he needs to keep working as most ex-boybanders do after the band splits up.

jayfan

30-10-2016

Originally Posted by sky_lark:
“Afternoon everyone.

I am a bit meh!........ about Strictly......cannot seem to get interested in anyone this year, all poor imitations.

I think I could, if push came to shove support Claudia and AJ. They have been given poor music and such a height difference and yet they manage to pull off a lovely American Smooth.
Claudia was delightful, good technique, heel turns, smooth extensions really liked it and should have been at top of leader board on their own.

Cannot invest in Ore don't know why

I was mulling over (what I felt was the best choreography of the evening) Danny and Oti
shame about the mistakes though did really well to get back on track

I like Danny but I think the reason I cannot get into his style of dance is that he performs showdances, all his dances are West End style and so will never hold a candle to Jay and Alionas technique. He doesn't point his toes, he is too light on the dancefloor as if he is barely touching it instead of driving through it. He is, in my opinion prob the best (dancer) on scd this year but he dances like he is in a musical, not on a ballroom.

Thats not a criticismof Oti by anymeans I love her choreography.

Heck......I am like buses, nothing for ages then 3 turn up all at once.”

Welcome back!👋👋
I agree with your critique of Danny. Just don't find his routines engage me at all. I didn't like the red rope either last night. Thought it jarred.

Toasted Toad

30-10-2016

Originally Posted by jayfan:
“Hi BB
I read/ watched that somewhere too. I think it was just before they changed management. Nathan has also said that they didn't make much money although he and some of the others have at least bought a house (or two). They certainly aren't multi- millionaires like 1D. Presumably Jay had something set aside to pay for his 'gap' year and then winning SCD gave him a bit of a financial before KD and Big. He doesn't appear to have expensive tastes beyond traveling and flying back and forth between UK and the US. But I guess he needs to keep working as most ex-boybanders do after the band splits up.”

Well yes, but that can be expensive enough. Boybanders are nowhere near as well-off as everybody thinks (and they tend to be completely unaware of their own position as well) - with cuts going to management and 100 other people, other expenses, and everything divided by 4 or 5 (depending on the number in the band), they can each end up with very little, and spend it extremely quickly, being young and not really having any idea.

BMLisa - don't be afraid of being a hypocrite - I am unashamedly one myself

. I will whinge and complain at rule breaking but then happily allow Artem to do whatever he wants! I was also happy for Jaliona to throw in contempowafty into their routines, but complain at it with others. I think there the difference is because J was so damned good at it, whereas it doesn't add anything to the performance of others, it just interrupts the technique I want to see them learning.

CatO9Tales

30-10-2016

Originally Posted by Toasted Toad:
“Well yes, but that can be expensive enough. Boybanders are nowhere near as well-off as everybody thinks (and they tend to be completely unaware of their own position as well) - with cuts going to management and 100 other people, other expenses, and everything divided by 4 or 5 (depending on the number in the band), they can each end up with very little, and spend it extremely quickly, being young and not really having any idea.

BMLisa - don't be afraid of being a hypocrite - I am unashamedly one myself . I will whinge and complain at rule breaking but then happily allow Artem to do whatever he wants! I was also happy for Jaliona to throw in contempowafty into their routines, but complain at it with others. I think there the difference is because J was so damned good at it, whereas it doesn't add anything to the performance of others, it just interrupts the technique I want to see them learning.”

Oh, yes! Me too. I generally hate contempowafty stuff on Strictly but it looked utterly right for Jay and Aliona

KorkyTheCat

30-10-2016

Originally Posted by CatO9Tales:
“Oh, yes! Me too. I generally hate contempowafty stuff on Strictly but it looked utterly right for Jay and Aliona”

I adore contemporary dance anyway, and J is so good at it. Again, he feels and conveys the dance. I like that he's so tall and strong doing these beautiful balletic arms, legs, whole body...

Toasted Toad

30-10-2016

In case the link hasn't already been posted, Monkseal's performance summary https://monkseal.wordpress.com/2016/...mance-summary/

My thoughts on the evening:

Spoiler

BionicBard

30-10-2016

Originally Posted by jayfan:
“Hi BB
I read/ watched that somewhere too. I think it was just before they changed management. Nathan has also said that they didn't make much money although he and some of the others have at least bought a house (or two). They certainly aren't multi- millionaires like 1D. Presumably Jay had something set aside to pay for his 'gap' year and then winning SCD gave him a bit of a financial buffer before KD and Big. He doesn't appear to have expensive tastes beyond traveling and flying back and forth between UK and the US. But I guess he needs to keep working as most ex-boybanders do after the band splits up.”

You're right, and I think J's probably pretty prudent - probably inbuilt as he doesn't come from a wealthy background and will be used to making ends meet.

Working in the theatre doesn't pay anywhere near the kind of money they'd earn on an arena tour, but it does have it's rewards in terms of visibility and the buzz of live performance, without all the hours spent on tour buses and takeaways. Swings and roundabouts (as long as you don't fall off!)

KorkyTheCat

30-10-2016

Zen J

He doesn't plan the future
Decisions allow failure
Uncertainty breathes excitement
His mind has no gaoler

If I were a wordsmith
With power in my pen
I would write his destiny
Happiness beyond his ken

✒

BionicBard

30-10-2016

Originally Posted by KorkyTheCat:
“Zen J

He doesn't plan the future
Decisions allow failure
Uncertainty breathes excitement
His mind has no gaoler

If I were a wordsmith
With power in my pen
I would write his destiny
Happiness beyond his ken

✒”

For J it's just all karma
Star of stage or screen
Rock n'roll or farmer
He'll go his own sweet way
And will always be a charmer....

jayfan

30-10-2016

Originally Posted by BionicBard:
“You're right, and I think J's probably pretty prudent - probably inbuilt as he doesn't come from a wealthy background and will be used to making ends meet.

Working in the theatre doesn't pay anywhere near the kind of money they'd earn on an arena tour, but it does have it's rewards in terms of visibility and the buzz of live performance, without all the hours spent on tour buses and takeaways. Swings and roundabouts (as long as you don't fall off!)”

I think that these days anyone wanting a career in showbiz has to have multiple strings to their bow. TV apparently doesn't pay what it did with the fall in advertising income or funding . Few artists make a lot of money from records now that music can be downloaded so cheaply or illicitly. As you say MT doesn't usually pay well. Reality TV seems to pay well ( Jay has hopefully done the one and only reality TV programme he expects to do. No BB or IACGMOOH please). A lot of celebs are paid to endorse products and events you need have and maintain a high profile to do that usually. I'd love to see Jay get a radio show myself. Imagine being able to hear him every week/day.

jayfan

30-10-2016

Originally Posted by BionicBard:
“For J it's just all karma
Star of stage or screen
Rock n'roll or farmer
He'll go his own sweet way
And will always be a charmer....”

Well said both.

Fred.

30-10-2016

Like the poems

and comments

Think J has a very nice, laid back character, as his mum described him - but don't think he always waits for things to happen.

To make the decision to audition to go to MADD at 15 (July born) and then to go to live and work away from home at 16. MADD is not a school so is a much more independent life. Remember J saying somewhere he found it hard to begin with. I couldn't have done it at that age.

Then to cope with the continual knock backs when applying for theatre jobs at such a young age - though there were some successes. At 18 to stand the whole year's process of getting through TW auditions - with, I understand, the chance of being replaced right until the very end? Again takes grit and determination to cope with it. Think I couldn't have coped with the stress, especially so young - I would have gone off to work in a grocer's shop!

Remember reading his Mum saying how hard they worked with little time off - she spent a day or two with TH in their early days and it wore her out. When TW became successful, almost every working day for months ahead would still be mapped out.

Know J had a v good time with TW, but wonder if J's easy going outlook after TW hiatus was to make up for some of that missed free time - which most people have when they're young?

jayfan

30-10-2016

Originally Posted by Toasted Toad:
“In case the link hasn't already been posted, Monkseal's performance summary https://monkseal.wordpress.com/2016/...mance-summary/

My thoughts on the evening:

Spoiler

Eeek - for once, I agreed with (almost) everything that came out of Craig's mouth! (And even most of JJ's tweets!)

1. Louise (Charleston) - what a 'nice' Charleston.

2. Rinder (Paso) - I thought a lot of this was quite good. The 'wings' of his costume made it difficult to see some of his Paso shaping (or perhaps restricted his movement a bit?). The shaping was not as extended as it could have been, but was going the right way, and he definitely went for as masculine as he could without intentionally devolving to camp. Lovely knee drags at the end with loads of resistance.

3. Claudia - (FT AS) lovely routine. She seemed to be dancing for the first time rather than going through the moves (although this was her second FT, which gave her some advantage). Good lifts, very smooth despite the slight costume malfunction on the last one.

4. Anastacia (Jive) - oh dreary me. Loads of dry ice here, but was still nowhere near enough. Needed to come up to her waist to cover up her (absence of) footwork. Looked like Brendan couldn't be bothered either. If this routine doesn't send her home, I don't know what will. No entertainment value to make up for it either.

5. Danny (FT) - oops, went a bit wrong this time. Lovely device by Oti having a sort of bungee cord tying them together. Some are mentioning this as the source of the problems, but I don't think it had anything to do with it. Firstly, Danny did not have the FT technique down - he is MT in dance after dance, not adapting. His knees are always very soft, and it's not always appropriate (I checked my thoughts on this with people who actually know, and they confirmed, although in a much more knowledgeable manner than me!) JJ also thought so in his tweets. Then he forgot parts of the routine as well and stumbled. Bit of a crash and burn really, but he did keep up the performance throughout and covered like a trooper. Oti also did very well to help him. Craig burbled on about wanting to give him a 10 had it not been for the mistakes. However, that would have annoyed people who would have looked at his basic technique. Overmarked, of course. I am sure this misstep will be very good for him fanbase wise, though.

6. Laura (Tango) - I know she was still nursing her ankle injury, but her plethora of toe leads were completely ignored by the fudges. Her head position also still looks wrong to me. Nice dance, but not deserving of the excessive praise or the marks.

7. Ore (Charleston) - a Clifton special again. Dancing as though he had lead weights in his shoes. Dressed like (as many have said) Lenny Henry doing David Bellamy. One lift went completely wrong. Overmarked.

8. Greg (not-Rumba) - Wonderful dance. He really is so masculine on the dance floor. Unlike many sportsmen who, when they can't do it, tend to look a bit lost and therefore lose all their sportsman demeanour, Greg manages still to keep it up and presents Natalie beautifully. Unfortunately, I couldn't actually spot any rumba in this routine. Only Craig seemed to have the courage to say so, though! ETA: plus, did I add how incredibly handsome he is

9. Daisy (Paso) - A little bit underwhelming in part. Her arms weren't strong enough, although she was a lot better in the bits where she was actually facing Aljaz - he appears to be a reassuring presence for her, and also she is better at imitating or mirroring. Nice between the legs move at the end after the floor sweep where she does that thing where you twist over as well (that's the technical term! ) Plus, it had Aljaz in it.

10. Ed (Cha cha) - Dance of the night! I was practically crying with laughter! Really made an all-out stab at a proper cha cha with minimum gimmmicks, often the technique was somewhere in the region of being there, but... well... you have to watch it! Overmarked, but it was purely for the enjoyment factor and I don't think anybody objected.

As is very common with Halloween week, theme, music and make-up took precedence over the dancing, which was mostly indifferent. A lot of the costumes were good, though (with some notable exceptions).

”

Agree with a lot of this TT.

jayfan

30-10-2016

Originally Posted by Fred.:
“Think J has a very nice, laid back character, as his mum described him - but otherwise I'm not so sure he waits for things to happen.

To make the decision to audition to go to MADD at 15 (July born) and then live and work away from home at 16. MADD is not a school so is a much more independent life. Remember J saying somewhere he found it hard to begin with. I couldn't have done it at that age.

Then to cope with the continual knock backs when applying for theatre jobs at such a young age - though there were some success. At 18 to stand the whole year's process of getting through TW auditions - with, I understand, the chance of being replaced right until the very end? Again takes grit and determination to cope with it. Think I couldn't have coped with the stress, especially so young - I would have gone off to work in a grocer's shop!

Remember reading his Mum saying how hard they worked with little time off - she spent a day or two with TH in their early days and it wore her out. When TW became successful, almost every working day for months ahead would still be mapped out.

Know J had a v good time with TW, but wonder if J's easy going outlook after TW hiatus was to make up for some of that missed free time - which most people have when they're young?”

Hi Fred

Totally agree that Jay has and does work very hard with TW and SCD and now BIG. Also agree that he must have a strong desire to perform to put up with the disappointments, knock- backs and being away from home.

But he does not seem to take the usual celeb approach. He vanished after SCD and then again after the tour when others would have been out there exploiting their post SCD profile before the general public move on to the next thing. He may have known about BIG early enough not to worry about doing anything else before hand but others certainly tried harder to keep their profile up.

BionicBard

30-10-2016

Originally Posted by jayfan:
“Hi Fred

Totally agree that Jay has and does work very hard with TW and SCD and now BIG. Also agree that he must have a strong desire to perform to put up with the disappointments, knock- backs and being away from home.

But he does not seem to take the usual celeb approach. He vanished after SCD and then again after the tour when others would have been out there exploiting their post SCD profile before the general public move on to the next thing. He may have known about BIG early enough not to worry about doing anything else before hand but others certainly tried harder to keep their profile up.”

I think you've lighted on the truth of it there, Jayfan. He knew BIG would be coming up, so no need to tout for work in the meantime! Instead he threw himself into enjoying the tour and the downtime that followed, knowing he'd be back to working his socks off before long.

Polly-T

30-10-2016

Originally Posted by Lola the cat:
“It's from this, Jayfan

http://evoke.ie/events/big-the-music...y-theatre-2016

PS - thanks to Deise ”

Thank you also Déise for posting these pics

- hadn't seen them before you posted them on twitter earlier. Jay and Diana really do seem to have connected really well which is brilliant to see.
I have a very good feeling about Big the Musical - the cast appear to be bonding well.

Originally Posted by BMLisa:
“Not sure a Xmas AT would win its usually a ballroom. I'd actually like to see him smash a Xmas Quickstep.”

Actually I think Jay would most certainly smash a QuickStep to proper music - somehow I don't think Aliona will be appearing on Strictly again..certainly not while
L Rainbow is around

Originally Posted by sky_lark:
“Afternoon everyone.

I am a bit meh!........ about Strictly......cannot seem to get interested in anyone this year, all poor imitations.
[b]Cannot invest in Ore don't know why /B]
I was mulling over (what I felt was the best choreography of the evening) Danny and Oti
shame about the mistakes though did really well to get back on track

I like Danny but I think the reason I cannot get into his style of dance is that he performs showdances, all his dances are West End style and so will never hold a candle to Jay and Alionas technique. He doesn't point his toes, he is too light on the dancefloor as if he is barely touching it instead of driving through it. He is, in my opinion prob the best (dancer) on scd this year but he dances like he is in a musical, not on a ballroom.
Heck......I am like buses, nothing for ages then 3 turn up all at once.”

Hello Skylark

BIB1 - Oh totally agree - can give you a list of reasons why I can't take to Ore or Joanne...

BIB2 - Yes - I like Danny too and think Oti is fabulous dancer - - agree Danny is probably more a theatrical performer while we felt the emotion and sensitivity through Jays dancing with Aliona
ETA Edited only to save space - enjoyed your full post

Originally Posted by Fred.:
“Like the poems and comments

Think J has a very nice, laid back character, as his mum described him - but don't think he always waits for things to happen.

To make the decision to audition to go to MADD at 15 (July born) and then to go to live and work away from home at 16. MADD is not a school so is a much more independent life. Remember J saying somewhere he found it hard to begin with. I couldn't have done it at that age.

Know J had a v good time with TW, but wonder if J's easy going outlook after TW hiatus was to make up for some of that missed free time - which most people have when they're young?”

Hi Fred
BIB - Possibly true - Show business especially in music, can be a highly pressurised life-style - certainly good to have some normality and anomnity for a while
ETA: Loved your full post - edited only to shorten my post.

As regards last nights show

Most of the music was dire
Loved, Ed, J Rinder, Laura and Greg who was under marked.
Claudia did great too!
Disappointed with both of the Clifton Charlestons after all the hype about the siblings and their Charlestons - and needless to say Ores was WAY overmarked..again and why oh why did they have to make him up to look like a wolf ...NO ONE can 'pull off' a wolf like Jay did last year

Happy Halloween everybody!

Drizzle1

30-10-2016

Originally Posted by Polly-T:
“Thank you also Déise for posting these pics - hadn't seen them before you posted them on twitter earlier. Jay and Diana really do seem to have connected really well which is brilliant to see.
I have a very good feeling about Big the Musical - the cast appear to be bonding well.

Actually I think Jay would most certainly smash a QuickStep to proper music - somehow I don't think Aliona will be appearing on Strictly again..certainly not while
L Rainbow is around

Hello Skylark
BIB1 - Oh totally agree - can give you a list of reasons why I can't take to Ore or Joanne...
BIB2 - Yes - I like Danny too and think Oti is fabulous dancer - - agree Danny is probably more a theatrical performer while we felt the emotion and sensitivity through Jays dancing with Aliona
ETA Edited only to save space - enjoyed your full post

Hi Fred
BIB - Possibly true - Show business especially in music, can be a highly preq

ssurised life-style - certainly good to have some normality and anomnity for a while
ETA: Loved your full post - edited only to shorten my post.

As regards last nights show
Most of the music was dQ
ire
Loved, Ed, J Rinder, Laura and Greg who was under marked.
Claudia did great too!
Disappointed with both of the Clifton Charlestons after all the hype about the siblings and their Charlestons - and needless to say Ores was WAY overmarked..again and why oh why did they have to make him up to look like a wolf ...NO ONE can 'pull off' a wolf like Jay did last year

Happy Halloween everybody!”

The public don't seem to like Daisy do they?
Sorry Polly seem to have messed your post up a bit. I think.

Toasted Toad

30-10-2016

Originally Posted by Drizzle1:
“The public don't seem to like Daisy do they?
Sorry Polly seem to have messed your post up a bit. I think.”

I'm not sure whether it's so much that they don't like Daisy as she's twice in a row been in that dangerzone in the leaderboard, while people vote for more dubious contestants in the lower order in order to keep them in.

nelliek

30-10-2016

Originally Posted by Polly-T:
“As regards last nights show
Most of the music was dire
Loved, Ed, J Rinder, Laura and Greg who was under marked.
Claudia did great too!
Disappointed with both of the Clifton Charlestons after all the hype about the siblings and their Charlestons - and needless to say Ores was WAY overmarked..again and why oh why did they have to make him up to look like a wolf ...NO ONE can 'pull off' a wolf like Jay did last year

Happy Halloween everybody!”

If Ore was supposed to be a wolf then costume and make-up should be shot. Looked nothing like a wolf to me. More like someone just wearing a very bad wig and false beard.

sky_lark

30-10-2016

Hi again,

Just watched Sunday

results show thought Anastasia danced it better tonight

Just, also realised Kevin wore his own clothes and hair for the halloween special

Naughty (slaps wrist)

Going to watch a little Jaliona AT, Tango and Paso as penance

Polly-T

30-10-2016

Originally Posted by Drizzle1:
“The public don't seem to like Daisy do they?
Sorry Polly seem to have messed your post up a bit. I think.”

I think it may be a case that Daisy doesn't have a fan base - also the overmarking of some contestants such as Ore, ensures they are in the safe zone. Im not convinced that Ore is popular but the fudges or TPTB appear determined to get a Clifton win this year.

Have to say I am really enjoying Ed and J Rinder so delighted they are still there as otherwise it would be a pretty dull series this year.
Really very hard to top last years Strictly - despite all the wibbling, I've rewatched every one of Jalionas magical dances (except the QS) several times - the SCD performance s that I have recored and kept still

Originally Posted by nelliek:
“If Ore was supposed to be a wolf then costume and make-up should be shot. Looked nothing like a wolf to me. More like someone just wearing a very bad wig and false beard. ”

Agree - his total outfit was pretty dire - not sure why he had to wear that awful wig and beard

- that said, he didn't have my sympathy either ...

Dfer

30-10-2016

I feel very sorry for Daisy. She seems to be working very hard and is a good dancer but didn't think the Paso suited her. Always vulnerable when you are in the middle of the leaderboard. Hope she and Alijaz get a dance that suits her better next week and that they get music that actually suits the dance instead of the crap they had last night to dance to. Not Paso music.
I knew they would leave Danny to one of the very last to be called safe. They did the same thing last year to Jay after the QS and I think again after the foxtrot. Not to Ore though

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