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Jay McGuiness and Aliona Vilani appreciation thread - Part 6
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Toasted Toad
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by RaffertyCat:
“Here's my Strictly Report for this week.

SCD 2016...Week 12...Semi-Finals. Report.

Spoiler


Louise and Kevin. Tango. 'Glad All Over' Dave Clark Five.

The dance. Odd choice of music, I thought. Opened with Glitterballs on a conveyer-belt. Kevin's trousers - a mite tight, quite a sight.
It's at times like this that I'm glad I'm not a purist, because as far as I was concerned, that was a good dance, despite the fact that her feet got a bit left behind, at one point, near the end.
Judges all seemed pleased, but noticed the over-balancing near the end.
9; 9; 9; 10 = 37..... Bruno! You might find a trip to Specsavers would be helpful.

Danny and Oti. Salsa. 'Vivir Mi Vida' Mark Anthony.

The dance. Another good dance from Danny. Clinically executed. No obvious mistakes, altho' not all the lifts were as smooth and clean as they could have been, imo.
Wonder what the judges will have to say.
Bruno loved it, and fell off his chair.
Darcey thought it was fabulous, but thought it could have had more attitude - this is what caused Bruno to nose-dive to the floor.
Craig started with criticism of the 'lack of figure eight rotation in the hip, and that's just in the forward and back basic' - so now we know. He decided that he liked it, tho'.
Len made a lame breakfast cereal comment. Then he was about to make a criticism, but thought better of it, after some audience disapproval. He ended up saying that Danny is 'a fantastic dancer'.
9; 9; 9; 10 = 37.

Claudia and AJ. Rumba. 'Bleeding Love' Leona Lewis.

The dance. Got the first knicker-flash out of the way, right at the beginning. I thought Claudia did well in this dance. It did lack a bit of fluidity, tho' imo. Hip action was a little lacking too, I thought. I wonder if Olympic gymnasts have such toned and hard abdominal musculature, with minimal definition between waist and hip, that fluid, smooth hip action is well-nigh impossible? As I'm not an expert in anything dance, or even anything gymnastic, for that matter, I'd be happy to stand corrected on that one. But on the whole I enjoyed it, and thought that Claudia did very well indeed, for one so young. I absolutely loved AJ in this dance.
Craig thought she was wonderful.
Darcey mentioned emotional connection, and not just doing the actions that you are asked to do. 'It's very difficult', she said, 'and comes with experience, and life experience'.
Len thought it was 'a quality rumba', and that Claudia is 'a lovely dancer'.
Bruno gave us a demo showing us how 'through-the-body hip action' should be done. I'm surprised that Len hasn't invested in some protective clothing and safety equipment by now.
8; 9; 9; 9 = 35.

Ore and Joanne. QuickStep. 'Are You Gonna Be My Girl?' Jet.

The dance. Opens with Ore astride a motor-bike. It looked like it might have been a British bike, as it was a great big bull-dog of a beast, and didn't look all that modern, either. But then what would I know of such things. *listens for chorus of disapproval from all the bikers out there*
The music is absolutely dire. Every bit as bad as poor Jay's 'My Generation'. Far too fast for slick and clean footwork, imo. It just looked like an unseemly race to the finish. Poor Ore. He did his best.
Judges seemed to think it was great, tho'. Fancy disagreeing with me, I'm such a QS expert, as we all know!
8; 10; 10; 10 = 38....Now, judges! That was naughty. Much as I love Ore, you know that wasn't worthy of a 10, much less three of them!

Louise and Kevin. Samba. 'Brazil' Thiago Thome.

The dance. I thought Louise did very well. She let herself go, and seemed to be really enjoying herself. Her hip action was good, and she seemed to have quite a bit of bounce. Not too much, fortunately, or Kevin might have launched himself into orbit.
Judges were all impressed.
9; 9; 9; 9 = 36.

Danny and Oti. American Smooth. 'Misty Blue' Dorothy Moore.

The dance. What a beautiful dance! Danny is just so good, and this dance suited him down to the ground. I had to watch it again, just for the fun of it. Worthy of full marks, imo. And as for that gasp-inducing catch at the end!
For once I agreed with everything the judges said, except for Darcey's side-swipe, that is.
10; 9; 10; 10 = 39.

Claudia and AJ. QuickStep. 'When You're Smiling' Andy Williams.

The dance. Fast and furious. Who knows if the footwork was 'on point'. Was she supposed to be in synch with AJ, footwise? Or was she really supposed to be contra (or whatever it's called), at one point? The ending won't win any prizes for elegance, either. But it was huge fun, and I enjoyed it. Claudia's worked very, very hard this week. Hope it pays off.
Judges were all very pleased, and gave it lots of praise.
9; 9; 10; 10 = 38.

Ore and Joanne. Argentine Tango, 'Can't Get You Out of My Head' Kylie Minogue.

The dance. Dramatic, atmospheric, intense, passionate, staccato. Great lifts. I really enjoyed it. Well done, Ore.
All the judges had such lovely things to say, and I'm so glad they did. This guy's a sports' presenter, not an actor/performer/dancer, remember.
9; 10; 10; 10 = 39....It's so nice that Ore's Mum and Dad, who were in the audience, got to hear the judges, and see the scores.


”

Wow. Turn just about everything you've said on its head and you've got my report!

Spoiler
Dance 1:

Twimsy Tango: Hate Tangos to jolly music and this is the second year in a row Kevin's done it. Louise still spent most of the routine looking at the floor. The time she did look up it made a huge difference performance-wise. Jazz-hands choreography at the end really did not suit Louise, and there was that off-balance moment. Well covered, though. In all - not bad, but not inspiring.

Doti Salsa: What's with the salsa-free salsas this year? Danny looked a little cautious and the routine as a whole didn't flow well for me. Not helped by boring music. He was also too bouncy. Enjoyed him executing a variant of the Ed Balls AS lift perfectly at the end. I think it was Oti's "this is how it should be done" moment ! I think Oti didn't choreograph this routine herself - perhaps it would have been better if she had. This whole "figure 8 rotation" thing is so much rubbish. There is no fig 8 rotation in salsa. However, his hips weren't particularly great - seems he's better at samba.

Claudia & AJ rumba: Not good, this one. Poor hip movement. No connection with AJ. Claudia the gymnast was back: Stop, present. Stop, present. Hip movement is not generated via core and abdomen - it comes through the legs, pressure through the floor, settling into pelvis etc. etc., so there shouldn't be anything physical hindering Claudia's performance.

Tiny Tears QS: Horrible music and costuming which kinda got in the way of the routine. Lots of running during which his arms were going up and down instead of having the swan (still on top, paddling like f*** underneath) effect. Went out of sync with Jo a couple of times.

Dance 2:

Twimsy Samba: Clearly mortified by her costume and the ridiculous headdress, Louise did not look at all comfortable. Her body was not co-ordinated - there was no flow. Her legs were performing separately from her torso. Compared to Danny's extraordinary samba, this was a non-starter.

Doti AS: Wonderful, wonderful dance. Pretty much perfect aside from a rather awkward "round the middle" lift. Sorry - totally agreed with Darcey. And the routine did not need it. The final leap was absolutely incredible - total trust from Oti.

Claudia & AJ QS: Best dance of the night, along with Doti's AS. Cloudier finally blossomed. Absolutely radiant, smiling everywhere, swaying like crazy on the turns, light, fast, brilliant. *applause*

Tiny Tears AT: Ore stood or walked around presenting Jo, or just making a pose. One move went wrong as Ore overbalanced. No sense of the male leading the female. This was all Jo dancing at/around Ore. Looked pretty, but unsatisfying as an AT.

Fudges clearly crow-barring Ore to top the leaderboard, regardless of whether he deserved it, to try to keep him out of 3rd dance-off
KorkyTheCat
11-12-2016
Interesting reports... Pictures in return!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzXJtxgW8AA1CtZ.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzXHbVPXgAAYzP0.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzXHa-_WgAAPNp6.jpg

http://68.media.tumblr.com/3f14a4f27...tmuo1_1280.jpg

* Lovely Jaydvent gif today, Whiffle! 💕
Toasted Toad
11-12-2016
SPOILER ALERT: The spoiler seems to be out in a lot of places. If you don't want to know, I suggest you stay away from social media, don't read comments sections under the You Tube dance clips etc.
fridgesoup
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by Toasted Toad:
“Wow. Turn just about everything you've said on its head and you've got my report!

Spoiler
Dance 1:

Twimsy Tango: Hate Tangos to jolly music and this is the second year in a row Kevin's done it. Louise still spent most of the routine looking at the floor. The time she did look up it made a huge difference performance-wise. Jazz-hands choreography at the end really did not suit Louise, and there was that off-balance moment. Well covered, though. In all - not bad, but not inspiring.

Doti Salsa: What's with the salsa-free salsas this year? Danny looked a little cautious and the routine as a whole didn't flow well for me. Not helped by boring music. He was also too bouncy. Enjoyed him executing a variant of the Ed Balls AS lift perfectly at the end. I think it was Oti's "this is how it should be done" moment ! I think Oti didn't choreograph this routine herself - perhaps it would have been better if she had. This whole "figure 8 rotation" thing is so much rubbish. There is no fig 8 rotation in salsa. However, his hips weren't particularly great - seems he's better at samba.

Claudia & AJ rumba: Not good, this one. Poor hip movement. No connection with AJ. Claudia the gymnast was back: Stop, present. Stop, present. Hip movement is not generated via core and abdomen - it comes through the legs, pressure through the floor, settling into pelvis etc. etc., so there shouldn't be anything physical hindering Claudia's performance.

Tiny Tears QS: Horrible music and costuming which kinda got in the way of the routine. Lots of running during which his arms were going up and down instead of having the swan (still on top, paddling like f*** underneath) effect. Went out of sync with Jo a couple of times.

Dance 2:

Twimsy Samba: Clearly mortified by her costume and the ridiculous headdress, Louise did not look at all comfortable. Her body was not co-ordinated - there was no flow. Her legs were performing separately from her torso. Compared to Danny's extraordinary samba, this was a non-starter.

Doti AS: Wonderful, wonderful dance. Pretty much perfect aside from a rather awkward "round the middle" lift. Sorry - totally agreed with Darcey. And the routine did not need it. The final leap was absolutely incredible - total trust from Oti.

Claudia & AJ QS: Best dance of the night, along with Doti's AS. Cloudier finally blossomed. Absolutely radiant, smiling everywhere, swaying like crazy on the turns, light, fast, brilliant. *applause*

Tiny Tears AT: Ore stood or walked around presenting Jo, or just making a pose. One move went wrong as Ore overbalanced. No sense of the male leading the female. This was all Jo dancing at/around Ore. Looked pretty, but unsatisfying as an AT.

Fudges clearly crow-barring Ore to top the leaderboard, regardless of whether he deserved it, to try to keep him out of 3rd dance-off
”

Haha!

Think I'm pretty much in agreement with you TT (although I liked Claudia's rumba more than you ).
Dfer
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by Toasted Toad:
“Wow. Turn just about everything you've said on its head and you've got my report!

Spoiler
Dance 1:

Twimsy Tango: Hate Tangos to jolly music and this is the second year in a row Kevin's done it. Louise still spent most of the routine looking at the floor. The time she did look up it made a huge difference performance-wise. Jazz-hands choreography at the end really did not suit Louise, and there was that off-balance moment. Well covered, though. In all - not bad, but not inspiring.

Doti Salsa: What's with the salsa-free salsas this year? Danny looked a little cautious and the routine as a whole didn't flow well for me. Not helped by boring music. He was also too bouncy. Enjoyed him executing a variant of the Ed Balls AS lift perfectly at the end. I think it was Oti's "this is how it should be done" moment ! I think Oti didn't choreograph this routine herself - perhaps it would have been better if she had. This whole "figure 8 rotation" thing is so much rubbish. There is no fig 8 rotation in salsa. However, his hips weren't particularly great - seems he's better at samba.

Claudia & AJ rumba: Not good, this one. Poor hip movement. No connection with AJ. Claudia the gymnast was back: Stop, present. Stop, present. Hip movement is not generated via core and abdomen - it comes through the legs, pressure through the floor, settling into pelvis etc. etc., so there shouldn't be anything physical hindering Claudia's performance.

Tiny Tears QS: Horrible music and costuming which kinda got in the way of the routine. Lots of running during which his arms were going up and down instead of having the swan (still on top, paddling like f*** underneath) effect. Went out of sync with Jo a couple of times.

Dance 2:

Twimsy Samba: Clearly mortified by her costume and the ridiculous headdress, Louise did not look at all comfortable. Her body was not co-ordinated - there was no flow. Her legs were performing separately from her torso. Compared to Danny's extraordinary samba, this was a non-starter.

Doti AS: Wonderful, wonderful dance. Pretty much perfect aside from a rather awkward "round the middle" lift. Sorry - totally agreed with Darcey. And the routine did not need it. The final leap was absolutely incredible - total trust from Oti.

Claudia & AJ QS: Best dance of the night, along with Doti's AS. Cloudier finally blossomed. Absolutely radiant, smiling everywhere, swaying like crazy on the turns, light, fast, brilliant. *applause*

Tiny Tears AT: Ore stood or walked around presenting Jo, or just making a pose. One move went wrong as Ore overbalanced. No sense of the male leading the female. This was all Jo dancing at/around Ore. Looked pretty, but unsatisfying as an AT.

Fudges clearly crow-barring Ore to top the leaderboard, regardless of whether he deserved it, to try to keep him out of 3rd dance-off
”

Totally agree with all you have said about The semi-final and earlier postings
jnb_7
11-12-2016
Lovely pic captured from @themusicalbig Insta story

https://instagram.com/p/BN31S_zg25T/
Drizzle1
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by Dfer:
“Totally agree with all you have said about The semi-final and earlier postings ”

Seconded.
Snippy
11-12-2016
Rafferty Cat and TT thanks both so much for your reviews. Really interesting to get both perspectives.

I think my views are slightly more in line with TT's

Loving the pics Korky, Jay looks so young with his wee clean shaven face and floppy curls. Admiring him as I do makes me feel like a dirty auld woman.....not that I mind feeling like that

ETA...thanks jnb. Loved that captured moment.
KorkyTheCat
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by Snippy:
“...Loving the pics Korky, Jay looks so young with his wee clean shaven face and floppy curls. Admiring him as I do makes me feel like a dirty auld woman.....not that I mind feeling like that ”

I think it's only Beth on here who is younger than Jay. Some of the rest are considerably older than he is. Still, there are lots of reasons for appreciating him and many varied ways to do so...
janetshep
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by Drizzle1:
“Seconded.”

Thirded!
Thought that 'round the middle' lift in Danny's As looked really out of place and spoiled the flow of the dance. Ore in his AT did a lot of standing around and having Joanne throw herself at him and Louise in her samba looked like she was wearing a decorated swimming cap ready for some synchronised swimming rather than a Carmen Miranda samba!

ETA - thanks for the photos Korky.
Snippy
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by KorkyTheCat:
“I think it's only Beth on here who is younger than Jay. Some of the rest are considerably older than he is. Still, there are lots of reasons for appreciating him and many varied ways to do so... ”

Well quite

Originally Posted by janetshep:
“Thirded!
Thought that 'round the middle' lift in Danny's As looked really out of place and spoiled the flow of the dance. Ore in his AT did a lot of standing around and having Joanne throw herself at him and Louise in her samba looked like she was wearing a decorated swimming cap ready for some synchronised swimming rather than a Carmen Miranda samba!

ETA - thanks for the photos Korky. ”

I adored Danny's AS with Oti, although like you I thought that waisty lift jarred. After watching the routine again this morning I had a number of disloyal thoughts .

I would LOVE to see Jay dance with Oti.

Please don't misunderstand me I think it would be hard to top the dancing relationship he had with Aliona. But I did get to wondering what a Joti pair up would have produced. . I think she is bold, beautiful, brave and brilliant. Maybe a partnership for a future Christmas Special?
Whiffle_09
11-12-2016
Rafferty & TT thanks for your summaries from last night. Nice to have contrasting points of view.

janetshep
thanks for the BIG competition link - duly entered. How lovely would it be if someone from here won it?

And thanks Korky for the latest Jaypics 💕
jnb_7
11-12-2016
Looks like Ali was there too as well as Maureen and DD amongst others!

https://twitter.com/jessica7martin/s...32798254403585
janetshep
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by Snippy:
“Well quite



I adored Danny's AS with Oti, although like you I thought that waisty lift jarred. After watching the routine again this morning I had a number of disloyal thoughts .

I would LOVE to see Jay dance with Oti.

Please don't misunderstand me I think it would be hard to top the dancing relationship he had with Aliona. But I did get to wondering what a Joti pair up would have produced. . I think she is bold, beautiful, brave and brilliant. Maybe a partnership for a future Christmas Special?”

I think it would be really interesting to see what a Jay and Oti pairing would produce and how the two of them might rub off on each other. I have enjoyed Oti's dancing with Danny but it has all been a bit strident/hard (can't think of the right word to describe it ) and I'm not sure if that is just Oti playing to Danny's strengths or if it is Oti's style. I don't know how she would respond to Jay's ability to be softer and more emotional, but it would be interesting to see!
jackybob
11-12-2016
Just my opinion but I feel if Jay had danced with Oti we would have seen a very different Jay and I love the one we got. I think it was the relationship with Aliona that made everything so special.She really GOT him. Not a great fan of Oti either. Was put off due to the antics when they were being paired up this year.
Snippy
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by janetshep:
“I think it would be really interesting to see what a Jay and Oti pairing would produce and how the two of them might rub off on each other. I have enjoyed Oti's dancing with Danny but it has all been a bit strident/hard (can't think of the right word to describe it ) and I'm not sure if that is just Oti playing to Danny's strengths or if it is Oti's style. I don't know how she would respond to Jay's ability to be softer and more emotional, but it would be interesting to see! ”

I agree that Danny and Oti's syle lacks a certain lyricism. It is the only thing I miss from their dancing partnership. But I would be fascinated to see if Oti could choreograph something suited to Jay's natural melodic and expressive dancing because I think height-wise and chemistry-wise maybe they would just click.....maybe....
Snippy
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by jackybob:
“Just my opinion but I feel if Jay had danced with Oti we would have seen a very different Jay and I love the one we got. I think it was the relationship with Aliona that made everything so special.She really GOT him. Not a great fan of Oti either. Was put off due to the antics when they were being paired up this year.”


Totally, like I say I think the Jaliona partnership is a hard one to top. My most favourite SCD pairing of all time. It all worked so beautifully and they clearly adore each other .... as they are still the best of friends and so supportive of one another.

I was just wondering........I still am

ETA.....jnb, that is an adorable picture. Thanks for posting, Aliona looks just lovely. Baby growing is agreeing with her.
janetshep
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by jackybob:
“Just my opinion but I feel if Jay had danced with Oti we would have seen a very different Jay and I love the one we got. I think it was the relationship with Aliona that made everything so special.She really GOT him. Not a great fan of Oti either. Was put off due to the antics when they were being paired up this year.”

BIB - I agree entirely! I wouldn't swap last year's pairing for anything. I don't know if any other partnership would have produced the loyal following they still have one year on.
Snippy
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by janetshep:
“BIB - I agree entirely! I wouldn't swap last year's pairing for anything. I don't know if any other partnership would have produced the loyal following they still have one year on.”

Snap......

I don't wish to go back in time. I just got to wondering what a Jay and Oti partnership would be like and I am still curious to see them dance at some point in the future.
KorkyTheCat
11-12-2016
https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video_th...UlWIAAbJUv.jpg

Stardust runs through your veins
As rivers run down to the sea.
Stars are revealed in the dark
Blinding those who can truly see.
I can only observe from afar,
A supernova in the night sky,
Out of reach, far into the distance,
But one day you will understand why.
KorkyTheCat
11-12-2016
I'm not a great admirer of Oti either. Of course she's a good dancer but there are probably thousands "better". As Snippy says, I can see little lyricism in her dancing nor real softness or tenderness. Aliona's style - adapted, anyway - suited Jay 100%.

I prefer quiet, reflective people too.
Dfer
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by janetshep:
“I think it would be really interesting to see what a Jay and Oti pairing would produce and how the two of them might rub off on each other. I have enjoyed Oti's dancing with Danny but it has all been a bit strident/hard (can't think of the right word to describe it ) and I'm not sure if that is just Oti playing to Danny's strengths or if it is Oti's style. I don't know how she would respond to Jay's ability to be softer and more emotional, but it would be interesting to see! ”

I remember Jay saying that he would love to dance with Oti. He obviously sees something in her dancing that he could relate to. Maybe, if they got the opportunity to dance together in the future, they might bring out different aspects of each other's personality and strengths. It would be very different from the partnership he had with Aliona, that is, I am sure that all would agree, a one off, not easily matched or surpassed or bettered. That doesn't mean a Jay and Oti partnership wouldn't be something special in its own right. Hopefully in the future we will see him dance, sing, act and all round perform with many partners all bringing something new and exciting for us to enjoy.
Snippy
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by KorkyTheCat:
“I'm not a great admirer of Oti either. Of course she's a good dancer but there are probably many thousands "better". As Snippy says, I can see little lyricism in her dancing nor real softness or tenderness. Aliona's style - adapted, anyway - suited Jay 100%.

I prefer quiet, reflective people too.”

I agree with this totally.

I have to be completely honest here, before Aliona was partnered with Jay I saw little in her previous pairings that would have suggested choreographing an understated, soft and subtle routine would have been her forte. Yet look at that Rumba she produced, as just one example.

Although, I may be doing poor Aliona a complete disservice as. I wasn't as invested in her prior to her partnering with Jay, so maybe I just didn't notice.

ETA...Korky. Iovely poem and I took one look at that picture and thought "oh peachy"
Snippy
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by Dfer:
“I remember Jay saying that he would love to dance with Oti. He obviously sees something in her dancing that he could relate to. Maybe, if they got the opportunity to dance together in the future, they might bring out different aspects of each other's personality and strengths. It would be very different from the partnership he had with Aliona, that is, I am sure that all would agree, a one off, not easily matched or surpassed or bettered. That doesn't mean a Jay and Oti partnership wouldn't be something special in its own right. Hopefully in the future we will see him dance, sing, act and all round perform with many partners all bringing something new and exciting for us to enjoy.”

Agree with what you say Dfer, especially the BIB.
KorkyTheCat
11-12-2016
Originally Posted by Snippy:
“I agree with this totally.

I have to be completely honest here, before Aliona was partnered with Jay I saw little in her previous pairings that would have suggested choreographing an understated, soft and subtle routine would have been her forte. Yet look at that Rumba she produced, as just one example.

Although, I may be doing poor Aliona a complete disservice as I wasn't as invested in her prior to her partnering with Jay, so maybe I just didn't notice.

ETA...Korky. Iovely poem and I took one look at that picture and thought "oh peachy"”

Me neither Snippy. She and Jay just suited each other in so many ways and I think Jay softened her.

Yes, "peachy" is a very apt description of the central figure in that picture. It does draw the eyes... 👀
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