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Old 31-05-2016, 17:41
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I took my Humax recorder round to my dad's house to play him something I'd recorded for him. All I did was take the aerial out of the TV and plug it into the Humax, then connect the two together with an HDMI lead. I had to scroll through the inputs to Ext 5.

When it was finished, I first switched off the Humax, then pulled out the HDMI lead.
I then plugged the aerial back into the TV and took the TV remote to switch the input back to digital TV. The trouble is that the screen was blank and there was no response from the remote. It didn't even respond to the manual on/off switch on the side.

Any ideas how this could have happened and what to do about it?
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Old 31-05-2016, 17:52
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I agree it doesn't make much sense unless the fault is a coincidence. Unplug the TV from the mains for a few minutes and try again, it's surprising how often that cures odd faults on all electronic devices.
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Old 31-05-2016, 17:56
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I have had that work on a digital radio, so I assume there must me some kind of sensitive trip-switch or similar employed somewhere inside. There were certainly no clicks, pops or fizzes to indicate anything going wrong.
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Old 31-05-2016, 18:58
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Well I thought I'd better reveal the horrible truth, although I'm not sure that anyone will benefit from it.

The TV is an old Wharfedale, so I suppose made by Vestel. The picture is still superb after ten or twelve years and it has good sound too, controlled by a six-band graphic equaliser. It's only real fault is the programme guide, which now looks very outdated. Another design fault is that it is impossible to see the lead inputs and to connect them, without lying on your back holding a torch between your teeth and swearing a lot.

Anyway, what happened was that when I went to reinsert the aerial lead, I first mistook a little recess next to the mains plug for its socket. Unknown to me, this is the location of the main power push button that I didn't even realise the TV had. I had accidentally and unknowingly pushed it in with the aerial lead.
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Old 31-05-2016, 19:52
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Well I thought I'd better reveal the horrible truth, although I'm not sure that anyone will benefit from it.

The TV is an old Wharfedale, so I suppose made by Vestel. The picture is still superb after ten or twelve years and it has good sound too, controlled by a six-band graphic equaliser. It's only real fault is the programme guide, which now looks very outdated. Another design fault is that it is impossible to see the lead inputs and to connect them, without lying on your back holding a torch between your teeth and swearing a lot.

Anyway, what happened was that when I went to reinsert the aerial lead, I first mistook a little recess next to the mains plug for its socket. Unknown to me, this is the location of the main power push button that I didn't even realise the TV had. I had accidentally and unknowingly pushed it in with the aerial lead.
Trust me you are not a proper engineer unless you have done something really really stupid like that

At least you didn't try and plug the mains lead into the aerial socket, that would have been interesting!
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Old 31-05-2016, 20:20
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Apart from that, the television is proof that sets made by Vestel aren't necessarily inferior. It has the widest acceptable viewing angle of any television I've ever seen. Are there any experts out there who know what screens were used in the 'Wharfedale' sets and if the same make/type can be found in any current TVs?
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Old 31-05-2016, 20:47
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Apart from that, the television is proof that sets made by Vestel aren't necessarily inferior. It has the widest acceptable viewing angle of any television I've ever seen. Are there any experts out there who know what screens were used in the 'Wharfedale' sets and if the same make/type can be found in any current TVs?
They were generally the cheaper ones, and none I've seen (including Wharfedale ones) have ever had decent viewing angles.

As for reliability, one set lasting well doesn't make them reliable, their unreliability is well known - but at least they 'can' be repairable - I've recently got myself a 24 inch Sharp one (the customer wanted it taking away and disposing off), and it had the normal faulty rectifiers. Not sure what I'm going to do with it now though?.
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Old 31-05-2016, 22:23
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They were generally the cheaper ones, and none I've seen (including Wharfedale ones) have ever had decent viewing angles.
It's an odd sized one (possibly 27" or similar) and has a rather naff appearance, with 'silver' plastic trim. However, the viewing angle is extreme and there is no lightening of the picture when looking at the screen when almost peering around from behind. That's what confuses me, because pre-HD days I thought it was the best picture of any TV I'd ever seen. I think this model was exclusive to Argos, so perhaps they had a job lot of high-class left-overs that they needed to get rid of, although the non-standard size seemed odd.
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Old 31-05-2016, 23:59
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Maybe some monitor screens re-purposed?
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Old 01-06-2016, 00:40
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Maybe some monitor screens re-purposed?
Who knows, but it made me wonder why all TVs weren't made like that.
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Old 01-06-2016, 08:52
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Maybe some monitor screens re-purposed?
Monitor screens are usually much poorer angles than TV screens, however we've got ONE person claiming great things for ONE cheap crappy TV bought from Argos and made by Vestel - so I'm extremely dubious about his claims
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Old 01-06-2016, 09:12
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Monitor screens are usually much poorer angles than TV screens, however we've got ONE person claiming great things for ONE cheap crappy TV bought from Argos and made by Vestel - so I'm extremely dubious about his claims
I will try to get a photo and put it online somewhere. You will eat your words.
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Old 01-06-2016, 09:30
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I will try to get a photo and put it online somewhere. You will eat your words.
Little point as it will not show the true image quality of the screen.

My mum had a Wharfedale TV several years ago. Can't say it was anything special. It was a 26in screen with a large silver strip at the bottom concealing the speakers. It was replaced by a LG 32in which was only slightly larger physically despite the larger screen. And the LG had a much better picture.
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Old 01-06-2016, 10:48
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Little point as it will not show the true image quality of the screen.

My mum had a Wharfedale TV several years ago. Can't say it was anything special. It was a 26in screen with a large silver strip at the bottom concealing the speakers. It was replaced by a LG 32in which was only slightly larger physically despite the larger screen. And the LG had a much better picture.
It sounds as if it could have been the same model. The pure quality of the colour was certainly better than anything I could achieve on my Toshiba Regza, no matter how much time I spent tweaking it. The Toshiba also has a terrible tolerance for viewing angle.

It could be a technical challenge to get a decent photo, but merely showing a visible picture should suffice, as my own TV screen would just look a pale shadow at the same angles.
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Old 01-06-2016, 11:08
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I will try to get a photo and put it online somewhere. You will eat your words.
I wouldn't bother, if you are happy with everything the TV offers that's all that matters. Pictute quality and overall viewing experience is subjective, if everything looks good to you what does it matter what others think, on many occasions it's just brand snobbery.
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Old 01-06-2016, 12:31
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It sounds as if it could have been the same model. The pure quality of the colour was certainly better than anything I could achieve on my Toshiba Regza, no matter how much time I spent tweaking it. The Toshiba also has a terrible tolerance for viewing angle.

It could be a technical challenge to get a decent photo, but merely showing a visible picture should suffice, as my own TV screen would just look a pale shadow at the same angles.
Have you actually compared the Wharfedale to a decent Sony or Panasonic TV? Toshiba are, to be brutal, hardly a top of the class make in the same league as Sony or Panasonic. I'm pretty sure the Wharfedale would not stand up to comparison with either of those makes.

Also ideally you need to compare them side by side using the exact same video source in the exact same lighting conditions.
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Old 01-06-2016, 13:03
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Toshiba are, to be brutal, hardly a top of the class make in the same league as Sony or Panasonic.
Most Toshiba's are just cheap Vestel sets, just like Wharfedale.
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Old 02-06-2016, 19:06
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Just testing to see if this link works:
http://postimg.org/image/ky1k9f7hn/

Edit - seems to at the moment, although I didn't register.
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Old 03-06-2016, 16:55
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The above is my father's Wharfedale TV, demonstrating its acute viewing angle. I tried to post it on Flickr but couldn't get past their new security measures to access my account.
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