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EE: Are we supposed to feel sorry for Ian and Jane ?
It feels like this is what they are trying to do here. Having Jane break down in hospital wondering if she is a bad parent or not, Ian having to watch his son get sent down and his family fall apart ( again )
I just can't buy into that though. They protected a killer, their son killed their daughter / step daughter and they let an innocent man get sent down for murder. We have seen next to no remorse for what they have done, so i don't see how anybody could feel sorry for them. All this storyline has done really is ruin a fair few characters. |
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To be fair we've seen them living with guilt and remorse. I also didn't mind them covering up for Bobby. The plot however lost all logic when Max was sent down and half the Square just sat by and let an innocent man go to jail.
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Probably, and if they are then personally I have no sympathy for Jane or Ian. I think they especially want us to feel sorry for Ian, with Jane wanting to leave him it will be 'poor Ian' with him in self pity mode.
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Yes we are supposed to feel sorry for them. But I don't. I agree with the points made above.
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To be fair we've seen them living with guilt and remorse. I also didn't mind them covering up for Bobby. The plot however lost all logic when Max was sent down and half the Square just sat by and let an innocent man go to jail.
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No I don't feel sorry for them at all and I hope the truth comes out and they both get sent down, but they do need to face Max and explain to him why they let him take the blame.
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No I don't feel sorry for them at all and I hope the truth comes out and they both get sent down, but they do need to face Max and explain to him why they let him take the blame.
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Really ? i can't remember seeing guilt for Max being sent down. They have just carried on covering for Bobby.
Then of course there is Ian attempting suicide by throwing himself off a motor way bridge because he couldn't deal with what was happening. Once again people on here have selective memory. Ian and Jane showed huge guilt for Max, it was Phil who bullied them into it. |
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It feels like this is what they are trying to do here. Having Jane break down in hospital wondering if she is a bad parent or not, Ian having to watch his son get sent down and his family fall apart ( again )
I just can't buy into that though. They protected a killer, their son killed their daughter / step daughter and they let an innocent man get sent down for murder. We have seen next to no remorse for what they have done, so i don't see how anybody could feel sorry for them. All this storyline has done really is ruin a fair few characters. But for me, I feel nothing for them. |
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Ian and his family have been ruined. I wonder how Adam feels about this. When he was pitched the idea for the 30th he seemed excited but the damage may be irreparable.
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This has already happened. There was a whole episode of Ian and Max in the Beale house once Max ran from court.
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To be fair we've seen them living with guilt and remorse. I also didn't mind them covering up for Bobby. The plot however lost all logic when Max was sent down and half the Square just sat by and let an innocent man go to jail.
So remorseful and guilt-ridden that they allowed an innocent man to rot in jail for a crime that they knew he did not do, and have not given him a secons thought since. So remorseful and guilt-ridden that they didn't even give Max a second thought once the truth was out and Bobby had been charged with unlawful killing. |
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I would also say they need to compensate Max for what they did, maybe sign one of the businesses over to him and allow him to live in their home while they are inside,
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Jane took the stand and lied about having an affair with Max to try and stop him being sent down and he would have got off had it not been for Phil, not Jane, bribing the jury.
Then of course there is Ian attempting suicide by throwing himself off a motor way bridge because he couldn't deal with what was happening. Once again people on here have selective memory. Ian and Jane showed huge guilt for Max, it was Phil who bullied them into it. I still remember that phrase "It's for the best" ....... |
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No Ian and Jane, they are ultimately responsible for covering up the fact Bobby killed Lucy, the others just got roped in with their deceit, and didn't Ian sort of blackmail Phil by agreeing to take responsibility for driving when they had the accident that injured Denny if Phil kept his mouth shut about Bobby.
Covering for Bobby is a seperate issue for Ian and Jane. Max is in jail because of Phil's actions. Jane lied to the jury to get Max off and it seemingly worked until Phil interfered. Again this a perfect sign of people rewriting history on here. |
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Max would never have been sent down had it not been for Phil bribing the jury, thats the only reason Max was found guilty. We know this is fact because the head juror told Phil.
Covering for Bobby is a seperate issue for Ian and Jane. Max is in jail because of Phil's actions. Jane lied to the jury to get Max off and it seemingly worked until Phil interfered. Again this a perfect sign of people rewriting history on here. And since this is a thread about Ian and Jane lets leave the discussion of what Phil did or didn't do out of it otherwise it will just become another anti-Phil thread with the usual suspects making their usual un-funny anti-Phil quips. |
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I actually feel a little sorry of Ian. I think he was so paralysed by his grief at losing his daughter that he was easy prey for Jane's manipulation. She worked on the idea that he would lose Bobby too and he was drawn into it. He carried on being held by that manipulation especially when so many others were drawn into the cover up. It took someone who knew nothing, in this case Mick Carter to say to him 'wtf are you doing, he killed your daughter' to bring him to his senses.
As for Jane, even to the point where she is lying motionless in bed, with the prospect of never walking again, a life being cared for by others, she is still whining on about her boy and motherhood. She's been turned into a disgusting character. I can't see any redemption for her at all. |
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No I don't feel sorry for them at all and I hope the truth comes out and they both get sent down.
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Max would never have been sent down had it not been for Phil bribing the jury, thats the only reason Max was found guilty. We know this is fact because the head juror told Phil.
Covering for Bobby is a seperate issue for Ian and Jane. Max is in jail because of Phil's actions. Jane lied to the jury to get Max off and it seemingly worked until Phil interfered. Again this a perfect sign of people rewriting history on here. |
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Jane took the stand and lied about having an affair with Max to try and stop him being sent down and he would have got off had it not been for Phil, not Jane, bribing the jury.
Then of course there is Ian attempting suicide by throwing himself off a motor way bridge because he couldn't deal with what was happening. Once again people on here have selective memory. Ian and Jane showed huge guilt for Max, it was Phil who bullied them into it. |
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Jane took the stand and lied about having an affair with Max to try and stop him being sent down and he would have got off had it not been for Phil, not Jane, bribing the jury.
Then of course there is Ian attempting suicide by throwing himself off a motor way bridge because he couldn't deal with what was happening. Once again people on here have selective memory. Ian and Jane showed huge guilt for Max, it was Phil who bullied them into it. |
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Yes, Jane added perjury to her list of crimes. had she stood up in court and told the truth then max would have been acquitted and the bribing of the jury foreman irrelevant. Stating that Phil is to blame for max going to jail is only half the story and indicative of ' selective memory '.
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Yes, Jane added perjury to her list of crimes. had she stood up in court and told the truth then max would have been acquitted and the bribing of the jury foreman irrelevant. Stating that Phil is to blame for max going to jail is only half the story and indicative of ' selective memory '.
Just like the fact people are forgetting Ian tried to kill himself in the middle of it all until Kathy showed up. Quote:
More a case of blinded by the anti-Phil mist.
![]() I love Phil, he is the best character in the show, but like all of them he has his flaws. Just like Ian and Jane. |
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No selective memory here. I'm just reminding people the jury were on course to find Max not guilty until Phil bribed the head juror. A small fact many seem to have forgotten and are making no mention of.
Just like the fact people are forgetting Ian tried to kill himself in the middle of it all until Kathy showed up. Who is anti Phil? I love Phil, he is the best character in the show, but like all of them he has his flaws. Just like Ian and Jane.
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