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Old 31-05-2016, 21:51
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It feels like this is what they are trying to do here. Having Jane break down in hospital wondering if she is a bad parent or not, Ian having to watch his son get sent down and his family fall apart ( again )

I just can't buy into that though. They protected a killer, their son killed their daughter / step daughter and they let an innocent man get sent down for murder. We have seen next to no remorse for what they have done, so i don't see how anybody could feel sorry for them.

All this storyline has done really is ruin a fair few characters.
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Old 31-05-2016, 21:53
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To be fair we've seen them living with guilt and remorse. I also didn't mind them covering up for Bobby. The plot however lost all logic when Max was sent down and half the Square just sat by and let an innocent man go to jail.
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Old 31-05-2016, 21:58
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Probably, and if they are then personally I have no sympathy for Jane or Ian. I think they especially want us to feel sorry for Ian, with Jane wanting to leave him it will be 'poor Ian' with him in self pity mode.
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Old 31-05-2016, 21:59
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Yes we are supposed to feel sorry for them. But I don't. I agree with the points made above.
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Old 01-06-2016, 06:25
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To be fair we've seen them living with guilt and remorse. I also didn't mind them covering up for Bobby. The plot however lost all logic when Max was sent down and half the Square just sat by and let an innocent man go to jail.
Really ? i can't remember seeing guilt for Max being sent down. They have just carried on covering for Bobby.
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Old 01-06-2016, 06:51
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No I don't feel sorry for them at all and I hope the truth comes out and they both get sent down, but they do need to face Max and explain to him why they let him take the blame.
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Old 01-06-2016, 07:04
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No I don't feel sorry for them at all and I hope the truth comes out and they both get sent down, but they do need to face Max and explain to him why they let him take the blame.
This has already happened. There was a whole episode of Ian and Max in the Beale house once Max ran from court.
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Old 01-06-2016, 07:12
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Really ? i can't remember seeing guilt for Max being sent down. They have just carried on covering for Bobby.
Jane took the stand and lied about having an affair with Max to try and stop him being sent down and he would have got off had it not been for Phil, not Jane, bribing the jury.

Then of course there is Ian attempting suicide by throwing himself off a motor way bridge because he couldn't deal with what was happening.

Once again people on here have selective memory. Ian and Jane showed huge guilt for Max, it was Phil who bullied them into it.
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Old 01-06-2016, 07:23
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It feels like this is what they are trying to do here. Having Jane break down in hospital wondering if she is a bad parent or not, Ian having to watch his son get sent down and his family fall apart ( again )

I just can't buy into that though. They protected a killer, their son killed their daughter / step daughter and they let an innocent man get sent down for murder. We have seen next to no remorse for what they have done, so i don't see how anybody could feel sorry for them.

All this storyline has done really is ruin a fair few characters.
Totally agree.

But for me, I feel nothing for them.
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Old 01-06-2016, 07:26
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Ian and his family have been ruined. I wonder how Adam feels about this. When he was pitched the idea for the 30th he seemed excited but the damage may be irreparable.
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Old 01-06-2016, 07:29
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This has already happened. There was a whole episode of Ian and Max in the Beale house once Max ran from court.
I would also say they need to compensate Max for what they did, maybe sign one of the businesses over to him and allow him to live in their home while they are inside,
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Old 01-06-2016, 07:31
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To be fair we've seen them living with guilt and remorse. I also didn't mind them covering up for Bobby. The plot however lost all logic when Max was sent down and half the Square just sat by and let an innocent man go to jail.
Yes, so remorseful and guilt-ridden that they kept covering for Bobby until the very end.

So remorseful and guilt-ridden that they allowed an innocent man to rot in jail for a crime that they knew he did not do, and have not given him a secons thought since.

So remorseful and guilt-ridden that they didn't even give Max a second thought once the truth was out and Bobby had been charged with unlawful killing.
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Old 01-06-2016, 07:31
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I would also say they need to compensate Max for what they did, maybe sign one of the businesses over to him and allow him to live in their home while they are inside,
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Old 01-06-2016, 07:33
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Jane took the stand and lied about having an affair with Max to try and stop him being sent down and he would have got off had it not been for Phil, not Jane, bribing the jury.

Then of course there is Ian attempting suicide by throwing himself off a motor way bridge because he couldn't deal with what was happening.

Once again people on here have selective memory. Ian and Jane showed huge guilt for Max, it was Phil who bullied them into it.
Yes, so huge was that guilt that they could not tell the truth and placed Bobby above the freedom of an innocent man.


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Old 01-06-2016, 07:37
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No Ian and Jane, they are ultimately responsible for covering up the fact Bobby killed Lucy, the others just got roped in with their deceit, and didn't Ian sort of blackmail Phil by agreeing to take responsibility for driving when they had the accident that injured Denny if Phil kept his mouth shut about Bobby.
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Old 01-06-2016, 07:45
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No Ian and Jane, they are ultimately responsible for covering up the fact Bobby killed Lucy, the others just got roped in with their deceit, and didn't Ian sort of blackmail Phil by agreeing to take responsibility for driving when they had the accident that injured Denny if Phil kept his mouth shut about Bobby.
Max would never have been sent down had it not been for Phil bribing the jury, thats the only reason Max was found guilty. We know this is fact because the head juror told Phil.

Covering for Bobby is a seperate issue for Ian and Jane. Max is in jail because of Phil's actions. Jane lied to the jury to get Max off and it seemingly worked until Phil interfered.

Again this a perfect sign of people rewriting history on here.
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Old 01-06-2016, 07:55
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Max would never have been sent down had it not been for Phil bribing the jury, thats the only reason Max was found guilty. We know this is fact because the head juror told Phil.

Covering for Bobby is a seperate issue for Ian and Jane. Max is in jail because of Phil's actions. Jane lied to the jury to get Max off and it seemingly worked until Phil interfered.

Again this a perfect sign of people rewriting history on here.
Maybe so, but Ian and Jane still need to be punished for the cover up.

And since this is a thread about Ian and Jane lets leave the discussion of what Phil did or didn't do out of it otherwise it will just become another anti-Phil thread with the usual suspects making their usual un-funny anti-Phil quips.
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Old 01-06-2016, 07:57
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I actually feel a little sorry of Ian. I think he was so paralysed by his grief at losing his daughter that he was easy prey for Jane's manipulation. She worked on the idea that he would lose Bobby too and he was drawn into it. He carried on being held by that manipulation especially when so many others were drawn into the cover up. It took someone who knew nothing, in this case Mick Carter to say to him 'wtf are you doing, he killed your daughter' to bring him to his senses.

As for Jane, even to the point where she is lying motionless in bed, with the prospect of never walking again, a life being cared for by others, she is still whining on about her boy and motherhood. She's been turned into a disgusting character. I can't see any redemption for her at all.
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Old 01-06-2016, 07:58
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No I don't feel sorry for them at all and I hope the truth comes out and they both get sent down.
Judging by what was said (Bobby owning up, and the police assuming that Lucy had got back up, walked to the common and collapsed & died there) I feel that both Jane & Ian will not be arrested for their crimes. They will get away with the cover-up (which they instigated)
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Old 01-06-2016, 08:01
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Max would never have been sent down had it not been for Phil bribing the jury, thats the only reason Max was found guilty. We know this is fact because the head juror told Phil.

Covering for Bobby is a seperate issue for Ian and Jane. Max is in jail because of Phil's actions. Jane lied to the jury to get Max off and it seemingly worked until Phil interfered.

Again this a perfect sign of people rewriting history on here.
Ultimately, Max is in jail because of the actions (or inactions) of both Jane and Ian. If they had not covered for Bobby, and if they had not applied emotional blackmail to others, Max would never have been charged, never mind tried.
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Old 01-06-2016, 08:12
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Jane took the stand and lied about having an affair with Max to try and stop him being sent down and he would have got off had it not been for Phil, not Jane, bribing the jury.

Then of course there is Ian attempting suicide by throwing himself off a motor way bridge because he couldn't deal with what was happening.

Once again people on here have selective memory. Ian and Jane showed huge guilt for Max, it was Phil who bullied them into it.
Yes, Jane added perjury to her list of crimes. had she stood up in court and told the truth then max would have been acquitted and the bribing of the jury foreman irrelevant. Stating that Phil is to blame for max going to jail is only half the story and indicative of ' selective memory '.
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Old 01-06-2016, 08:22
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Jane took the stand and lied about having an affair with Max to try and stop him being sent down and he would have got off had it not been for Phil, not Jane, bribing the jury.

Then of course there is Ian attempting suicide by throwing himself off a motor way bridge because he couldn't deal with what was happening.

Once again people on here have selective memory. Ian and Jane showed huge guilt for Max, it was Phil who bullied them into it.
Not enough guilt to take the blame themselves instead of letting Max take the fall.
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Old 01-06-2016, 08:23
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Yes, Jane added perjury to her list of crimes. had she stood up in court and told the truth then max would have been acquitted and the bribing of the jury foreman irrelevant. Stating that Phil is to blame for max going to jail is only half the story and indicative of ' selective memory '.
More a case of blinded by the anti-Phil mist.
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Old 01-06-2016, 08:28
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Yes, Jane added perjury to her list of crimes. had she stood up in court and told the truth then max would have been acquitted and the bribing of the jury foreman irrelevant. Stating that Phil is to blame for max going to jail is only half the story and indicative of ' selective memory '.
No selective memory here. I'm just reminding people the jury were on course to find Max not guilty until Phil bribed the head juror. A small fact many seem to have forgotten and are making no mention of.

Just like the fact people are forgetting Ian tried to kill himself in the middle of it all until Kathy showed up.

More a case of blinded by the anti-Phil mist.
Who is anti Phil?

I love Phil, he is the best character in the show, but like all of them he has his flaws. Just like Ian and Jane.
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Old 01-06-2016, 08:31
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No selective memory here. I'm just reminding people the jury were on course to find Max not guilty until Phil bribed the head juror. A small fact many seem to have forgotten and are making no mention of.

Just like the fact people are forgetting Ian tried to kill himself in the middle of it all until Kathy showed up.


Who is anti Phil?

I love Phil, he is the best character in the show, but like all of them he has his flaws. Just like Ian and Jane.
Where would us simple folk be without people to remand us of things, eh!
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