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Old 01-06-2016, 12:25
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What a result on Sunday. Judging by the year's output from the golden two, I'm not too surprised by the public's opinion.
Will senior manager's heads roll, probably not - but serious axing needs to take place.. New writers are a must and better direction/production.
Axe deadwood characters - complacent with their safe long-term contracts.
Think outside the box - rather than panicking, bringing back old characters, often from the dead. Introduce new families with contemporary storylines. And modern relationships. Real characters not stereotypes.
Perhaps new locations, do all Eastenders and Mancurians live in the local pub? Does no-one have a hobby, a sports talent. I can just imagine the comedy potential of Sally and Tim joining the badminton club or Billy and Saun taking evening classes.

I feel a "SWAT" analysis coming on!

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Old 01-06-2016, 12:54
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Corrie needs a lot of changes as has been said many times on here before, and yes new writers, storyliners etc, with Kate Oates there now hopefully this can happen. Regarding EE though, I don't think Emmerdale won by default because Eastenders wasn't as good, I just think Emmerdale has been better and more consistent these past 12 months.
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Old 01-06-2016, 12:56
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The best actress was viewer voted wasn't it? Eastenders won that so I agree with Ben. I think Emmerdale probably just edged it in the final vote for best soap.

It embarrassing for Corrie to be beaten by Emmerdale. Could Emmerdale be on its way to becoming ITV1's number one soap?
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Old 01-06-2016, 13:04
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I'm not so sure. I don't think the soaps look at the awards as the only way of judging where they are at.

These days I think social media has a far bigger impact on the soaps, you only have to see the following of robron to realise they will see what the audience want and find ways to make the most popular characters have the biggest storylines.

Those people are most likely to vote because of that fact. So if anything I think it would do more damage to CS and EE if they pander to the twitter audience who want to see certain characters take all the limelight.

Personally I like soaps to reflect a more normal and everyday type of life and Emmerdale is far removed from the soap it started out to be.

I think its pathetic the amount of events that happen in a tiny village in the dales. They all dress like they are in tops jobs working in the city, not a little rural village! All these little things ruin the show for me, yet a large part of the audience will be vein people who want people to look really well dressed and styled.
Yet if you were to go to the dales you would hardly see anyone dressed like that everyday!

I'd hate for CS for example to go down the route ED has taken, but with Katie Oates at the helm I do fear for the show and what direction she may take it in.

As for EE I think DTC has done a lot of damage and ruined half the cast with the sensational storylines he has done and its not exactly helped cover them in glory at the awards. So again I'd say there is proof there that the real EE fans would prefer the show to be a bit more realistic and develop the characters better. Don't just aim for big storylines and drag them out, instead get a consistent pacing to the show and give everyone a fair share of screen time.
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Old 01-06-2016, 13:08
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I'm not so sure. I don't think the soaps look at the awards as the only way of judging where they are at.

These days I think social media has a far bigger impact on the soaps, you only have to see the following of robron to realise they will see what the audience want and find ways to make the most popular characters have the biggest storylines.

Those people are most likely to vote because of that fact. So if anything I think it would do more damage to CS and EE if they pander to the twitter audience who want to see certain characters take all the limelight.

Personally I like soaps to reflect a more normal and everyday type of life and Emmerdale is far removed from the soap it started out to be.

think its pathetic the amount of events that happen in a tiny village in the dales. They all dress like they are in tops jobs working in the city, not a little rural village! All these little things ruin the show for me, yet a large part of the audience will be vein people who want people to look really well dressed and styled.
Yet if you were to go to the dales you would hardly see anyone dressed like that everyday


I'd hate for CS for example to go down the route ED has taken, but with Katie Oates at the helm I do fear for the show and what direction she may take it in.

As for EE I think DTC has done a lot of damage and ruined half the cast with the sensational storylines he has done and its not exactly helped cover them in glory at the awards. So again I'd say there is proof there that the real EE fans would prefer the show to be a bit more realistic and develop the characters better. Don't just aim for big storylines and drag them out, instead get a consistent pacing to the show and give everyone a fair share of screen time.
Its no different from all outrageous things that happen in one tiny street in Manchester or a Square in London's East End.
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Old 01-06-2016, 13:10
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EE problem is consistency and OTT storylines. Last Autumn was a real mess. Max being sent down etc / Kathy return / Mitchell and Hubbard feud. It picked up really well in New Year with Stacey / Kat / Carter wedding / Phil drunk. Then lapsed again. New Producer needs to sort out pacing. Secondly get better storylining team. Preferably not folks so arrogant that they keep piling on more and more chit to a dung heap convinced they will produce champion grade roses.

Don't watch CS.

Living as I do in Emmerdale country I don't see the folks dress any different to that I see everyday. OK farmers wear overalls but so does Moira. Perhaps not her low cut tops though!
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Old 01-06-2016, 13:12
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Its no different from all outrageous things that happen in one tiny street in Manchester or a Square in London's East End.
I agree, Corrie is on a much smaller scale (I mean it's a back street in a Manchester suburb) so If they the same scale of sensationalist events that Emmerdale does then it would be more unrealistic. Emmerdale can get away with more because it's on a (slightly) larger scale, whereas Corrie can't because it is only one street!

Corrie might not be as unrealistic in terms of sensationalist stuff, but it is in other regards. For example, everyone working on their doorstep, only having relationships with people on the street, If you have an affair it has to be with your neighbour, no one goes into town for a meal or celebration, it's the Rovers or the Bistro. But, at the end of the dya, it's a soap so some suspension of disbelief is required I suppose.
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Old 01-06-2016, 13:15
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Its no different from all outrageous things that happen in one tiny street in Manchester or a Square in London's East End.
I think ED certainly does bigger stunts and has far more than CS or EE, certainly in the last 4-5 years anyway. I'm not saying the other soaps don't do them, I just think ED is OTT with these events and after a while seeing so many things blown up and huge accidents, you start to question why they need to do these stunts every few months which ED seems to do.
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Old 01-06-2016, 14:28
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The best actress was viewer voted wasn't it? Eastenders won that so I agree with Ben. I think Emmerdale probably just edged it in the final vote for best soap.

It embarrassing for Corrie to be beaten by Emmerdale. Could Emmerdale be on its way to becoming ITV1's number one soap?
Why is it embarrassing?
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Old 01-06-2016, 14:39
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The best actress was viewer voted wasn't it? Eastenders won that so I agree with Ben. I think Emmerdale probably just edged it in the final vote for best soap.

It embarrassing for Corrie to be beaten by Emmerdale. Could Emmerdale be on its way to becoming ITV1's number one soap?
It already is for some of us
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Old 01-06-2016, 14:49
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EE problem is consistency and OTT storylines. Last Autumn was a real mess. Max being sent down etc / Kathy return / Mitchell and Hubbard feud. It picked up really well in New Year with Stacey / Kat / Carter wedding / Phil drunk. Then lapsed again. New Producer needs to sort out pacing. Secondly get better storylining team. Preferably not folks so arrogant that they keep piling on more and more chit to a dung heap convinced they will produce champion grade roses.
I agree about Eastenders, consistency is a big problem for them. Last year was a mess in my opinion, they dragged out every storyline as long as they could and tried to make them explosive for Christmas and New Years. They rely too heavily on those dates, it needs to be good throughout the whole year, not the final week of the year.

Eastenders doesn't feel natural right now. Storylines pick up pace, then go dead for a few weeks, then they pick up pace again, and then go dead again. This was Eastenders biggest flaw under DTC and i really hope that stops now, it's so hard to follow when this is happening.

Emmerdale has found the perfect balance in my opinion. The storylnes flow at a good pace and don't get dropped for a few weeks at vital points. I also think there is better interaction between cast members. The communication feel's more real, in Eastenders it feel's very forced.
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Old 01-06-2016, 14:52
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It already is for some of us
Agreed, it's been mine for about 3 years now
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Old 01-06-2016, 14:58
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I agree about Eastenders, consistency is a big problem for them. Last year was a mess in my opinion, they dragged out every storyline as long as they could and tried to make them explosive for Christmas and New Years. They rely too heavily on those dates, it needs to be good throughout the whole year, not the final week of the year.

Eastenders doesn't feel natural right now. Storylines pick up pace, then go dead for a few weeks, then they pick up pace again, and then go dead again. This was Eastenders biggest flaw under DTC and i really hope that stops now, it's so hard to follow when this is happening.

Emmerdale has found the perfect balance in my opinion. The storylnes flow at a good pace and don't get dropped for a few weeks at vital points. I also think there is better interaction between cast members. The communication feel's more real, in Eastenders it feel's very forced.
I agree with this. The problem for EE is characters end up behaving out of character. Storyline dictates. All the cover ups over Bobby. Mick nastiness to Nancy. Little or no response from most of cast to Kathy being back.
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Old 01-06-2016, 15:53
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They'll learn that Emmerdale is a great soap
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Old 01-06-2016, 15:55
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It embarrassing for Corrie to be beaten by Emmerdale. Could Emmerdale be on its way to becoming ITV1's number one soap?
I don't see why they would care as this is the only time in the seventeen years since the soap awards started where Emmerdale has won best soap.
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Old 01-06-2016, 15:57
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Must have been close between Enders and Emmerdale
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Old 01-06-2016, 16:15
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Maybe itv will take more notice. Emmerdale is always treated as second best to Coronation Street by the channel.Coronation Streets constantly gets pushed by itv when in reality Emmerdale is by far the stronger of the 2 soaps for some time.

The vote result i believe was very close for Emmerdale winning best soap. But lets not forget, some of the Emmerdale cast have openly admitted they plugged and plugged for votes on social media, i have no issue with this, i think every soap star should push for their own soap as much as possible. EastEnders would have been a close 2nd.

Emmerdale has remained consistent not only for the last 12 months but for over 2 years or more. EastEnders has had some great moments in that time but it also hit black spots in the same period.

What will be most interesting in the coming 12 months is, Corrie, EastEnders and Emmerdale all have new producers so changes will occur. I am interested to see who will be the most successful, my money is on Kate Oates but anything can happen. That said Kate Oates also has the most challenging job of the 3 as Corrie is absolutely terrible at the moment. In relation to the soap awards lets not forget Coronation Live went home empty handed, EastEnders Live in comparison cleaned up at the awards the previous year.
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Old 01-06-2016, 18:06
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Maybe itv will take more notice. Emmerdale is always treated as second best to Coronation Street by the channel.Coronation Streets constantly gets pushed by itv when in reality Emmerdale is by far the stronger of the 2 soaps for some time.

The vote result i believe was very close for Emmerdale winning best soap. But lets not forget, some of the Emmerdale cast have openly admitted they plugged and plugged for votes on social media, i have no issue with this, i think every soap star should push for their own soap as much as possible. EastEnders would have been a close 2nd.

Emmerdale has remained consistent not only for the last 12 months but for over 2 years or more. EastEnders has had some great moments in that time but it also hit black spots in the same period.

What will be most interesting in the coming 12 months is, Corrie, EastEnders and Emmerdale all have new producers so changes will occur. I am interested to see who will be the most successful, my money is on Kate Oates but anything can happen. That said Kate Oates also has the most challenging job of the 3 as Corrie is absolutely terrible at the moment. In relation to the soap awards lets not forget Coronation Live went home empty handed, EastEnders Live in comparison cleaned up at the awards the previous year.
How do you know that the vote was close? And if it was that Eastenders came second. As Hollyoaks won in 2014 and reportedly was a close second last year,perhaps they were runners up again.
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Old 01-06-2016, 18:50
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EastEnders has been on par with Emmerdale in terms of quality.

Patchy over the past year but with some very strong moments. Both have been way out in front of Corrie and Hollyoaks. It had to go to someone and either EastEnders or Emmerdale were deserving winners of Best Soap.

Lacey Turner got best actress so EE didn't go home empty handed in the viewer-voted categories of which there were only three. Danny Miller was always a safe bet for best actor with the Robron fans on-side and after doing his party-piece: crying pretty much all year.

I doubt EastEnders are that bothered. They won more awards than any other soap on the night - one of Emmerdale's was shared with Corrie and for a guy who did more work on the latter - and are the most awarded soap in general.

Panel awards shouldn't be dismissed and are still a recognition of the work produced. They may still have won them under a public vote. We'll never know.
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Old 01-06-2016, 19:13
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I don't think there's anything for them too learn to be honest. If anything, ignore Twitter and the forums and just concerntrate on making their prospective shows good!
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Old 02-06-2016, 04:21
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Once Hollyoaks won best soap it made the Soap Awards meaningless.
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Old 02-06-2016, 05:56
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I think the National Television Awards are the ones they want most, failing to win that probably has a bigger impact than these naff awards.
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Old 02-06-2016, 09:16
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LOL please. I hope not! It's the first time in 18 years Emmerdale won (heck, dire HO won before them...) and also it won the same year boring Robron dominated... coincidence?? Lol let them have their chance xxxx
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Old 02-06-2016, 11:34
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Once Hollyoaks won best soap it made the Soap Awards meaningless.
Didn't they have to change the voting or something after Hollyoaks won because people were voting from multiple emails etc?, I'm sure I read that somewhere.
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Old 02-06-2016, 13:53
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I don't think too much store can be set by the BSAs to be honest!!
It very much depends who has the best s/l of that particular year!!

This year has been ED's seemingly largely because of the Aaron abuse s/l, a couple of years ago Corrie cleaned up with the Roy/Hayley s/l!!

That said I was more than happy to see Emmerdale have it's success this year!! It is good for the awards to be spread around & I fullly admit it would have been a gross injustice if my soap, Corrie had won it this year as it's had a largely dire year!!
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