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Well given that the battle royal was for a place in the six pack challenge match, which in turn was to determine the number one contender to the WWE championship and a match with Dean Ambrose at SummerSlam and Randy Orton already has a match with Brock Lesner at SummerSlam, I'd have thought it pretty obvious why Orton wasn't in the battle royal?
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Just going to check it now but on first skim it isn't clear what the criteria is. Best worker? Biggest draw? Biggest star? Combination of all of the previous?
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What the **** is Goldust doing ranking higher than the likes of Samoa Joe, Terry Funk, Rick Rude, Owen Hart, Chris Benoit, Kane and Christopher Daniels?
Goldust is still performing at a very good level in the ring and is still relevant in todays WWE and was a excellent performer in the attitude era and was having decent matches back in WCW |
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Rude and Owen and Benoit had very short careers. Kane has really fallen to a very low level. Daniels great worker but but lacks "it"etc etc
Goldust is still performing at a very good level in the ring and is still relevant in todays WWE and was a excellent performer in the attitude era and was having decent matches back in WCW |
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If it was classed on biggest draw Hogan & Flair should be numbers 1 & 2. WWE & NWA pulled some serious draws back in the 80s.
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Dustin Runnels is an excellent wrestler, but he'd really lost his way as early as the mid 90's due to to drugs and weight issues. He didn't really recover for a very long time. He still showed signs of his talent, which is why WCW, WWE and TNA kept hiring him. Goldust is one of those gimmicks that's been around for a long time though.
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I thought that had finished, and it was a show dedicated to the Bellas from the new season onwards??
It's trash TV, but it's diverting enough. |
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No, basically the Bellas now have their own show, and Maryse, Lana and Renée Young are joining. Mandy's got the boot too after a season.
It's trash TV, but it's diverting enough. |
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If it was classed on biggest draw Hogan & Flair should be numbers 1 & 2. WWE & NWA pulled some serious draws back in the 80s.
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Some of the fans I know and speak to accept its cool to have a bit of a "man-crush" on Balor. I think he's awesome and he's going to be huge. Big fan here.
Have to admit the WWE roster aren't exactly an ugly bunch these days so can totally understand the man-crush stuff. The vast majority of them are blimming talented too - which obviously is much more important. On the Balor thing, simply put I think he's fantastic and has got a whole lot to offer. And even his promos aren't necessarily perfect yet, I'm sure he'll be able to improve - other superstars have done so in the past. Balor's done the hard part already anyway -the fans are invested in him and love him. And that's done to his WWE work as much as everything - some viewers will know his indy history but I really, really doubt that all the people cheering for him do. I'm slightly worried now - I used to absolutely hate the hype certain indy wrestlers appearing in WWE would get from their fans (in particular Kaval). Whereas now most of my favourite WWE superstar spent years in the indies. And that's entirely down to their WWE performances really. Quote:
Surprised but pleased to see Orton so high. I like the fact too it's not a safe list. At the end of the day though, it's just one guy's opinion. And unless it's Vince Mcmahon's list then I'm not sure it hugely matters either way lol. |
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Ok, finally looking at this list. It's pretty all over the place and it seems like he's slotting a lot of guys into it as he remembers them as opposed to where they should be in a ranking. Again, it's hard to see the criteria. Who goes higher between a good draw who works poorly and a poor draw who is great in the ring? Feels a wee bit like one of those NME lists where someone tries to convince you that Coldplay are better than the Beatles.
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There's no way to place the likes of Rikidozan (popularised wrestling in Japan) in that kind of list so he just sticks out.
Ditto Brody, who if he had not been murdered may well have ended up playing a Berzerker type cartoon character in early 90's WWF. |
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Ok, finally looking at this list. It's pretty all over the place and it seems like he's slotting a lot of guys into it as he remembers them as opposed to where they should be in a ranking. Again, it's hard to see the criteria. Who goes higher between a good draw who works poorly and a poor draw who is great in the ring? Feels a wee bit like one of those NME lists where someone tries to convince you that Coldplay are better than the Beatles.
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Flair would not be number two at all. Austin had less time on top but he was a bigger draw than Flair. So were some of the stars of the 1930s I'm sure, Jim Londos and the like.
There's too much of a difference between then and WWE going national and then international. Hogan became a household name all other the world, but Flair was a major asset for the NWA, Mid Atlantic and TBS. It could be argued he's underrated in that regard because the WWE onslaught was so strong in the mid 80's. The NWA/WCW and AWA went international, but due to Vince getting their first and forging strong links, rivals and 'wrasslers' were seen as imitators by some and simply less exciting to others. Guys like The Undertaker, Bret Hart, Sting, Shawn Michaels, The Rock and Steve Austin were the first to really benefit from the new world of an international platform on satellite and cable television. Those guys would have eyes on them in every big arena, in every state and in nearly every country. The latter also benefited, or arguably negatively, from the internet as well. Though they also had to deal with kayfabe pretty much dying and wrestling becoming episodic TV centric. In the case of The Rock, that was the perfect platform. However, it would have been interesting to see how big of a draw he could have been should he have lasted longer. He also exited in a gimmicky world of car crash television aimed at young adult males rather than classic pro wrestling. |
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There's no way to place the likes of Rikidozan (popularised wrestling in Japan) in that kind of list so he just sticks out.
Also the Great Muta would be #1 because he's the greatest bar none! That's because Stone Cold Panda Said So! |
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The Rikidozan movie (2004) is really good. Well worth a watch.
Also the Great Muta would be #1 because he's the greatest bar none! That's because Stone Cold Panda Said So! |
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I saw this picture- https://twitter.com/SethHanson1982/s...39494888046592 on twitter the other day, pretty incredible.
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What the **** is Goldust doing ranking higher than the likes of Samoa Joe, Terry Funk, Rick Rude, Owen Hart, Chris Benoit, Kane and Christopher Daniels?
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Flair would not be number two at all. Austin had less time on top but he was a bigger draw than Flair. So were some of the stars of the 1930s I'm sure, Jim Londos and the like.
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However, it would have been interesting to see how big of a draw he could have been should he have lasted longer. He also exited in a gimmicky world of car crash television aimed at young adult males rather than classic pro wrestling.
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Just finished watching this week's NXT. Most of it was of the usual NXT standard. Kota Ibushi vs. Buddy Murphy was a very nice surprise. Ibushi's kick to the side of Murphy's head looked AND SOUNDED painful! Really like Ibushi's finisher too.
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Just finished watching this week's NXT. Most of it was of the usual NXT standard. Kota Ibushi vs. Buddy Murphy was a very nice surprise. Ibushi's kick to the side of Murphy's head looked AND SOUNDED painful! Really like Ibushi's finisher too.
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What the **** is Goldust doing ranking higher than the likes of Samoa Joe, Terry Funk, Rick Rude, Owen Hart, Chris Benoit, Kane and Christopher Daniels?
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