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Old 31-07-2016, 13:54
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From NoDQ.com:

As previously reported, a WWE representative told TMZ that all part-time Superstars are exempt from The Wellness Policy testing. Some of those names include The Rock, The Undertaker, Triple H, and Brock Lesnar.

This apparently didn’t go over two well with several WWE Superstars who are upset about Brock Lesnar continuing to be exempt from the policy when he’s failed two tests with the USADA.

The problem with many is that they feel its making the company look bad, especially after all that has happened with Roman Reigns recently. There is also concern about the double standard of Billy Gunn not being a full-time WWE performer yet being fired for failing a drug test outside the company.
Billy Gunn was a NxT trainer full time on top of being a part time performer. If anything he held a position with greater responsibility. Further, Gunn was replaceable and Im pretty sure full time workers (even as trainers) have to adhere to the Wellness Program. The likes of The Rock, Lesnar etc dont need WWE, WWE needs them and is the biggest reason why they wont dare test them.

Also how would you even punish Lesnar? Suspend him? That would be great for Summerslam or suspend him after it when he wouldnt be around anyways.

Would be interesting to know if RVD was subject to testing during his last run though.
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Old 31-07-2016, 14:17
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From NoDQ.com:

As previously reported, a WWE representative told TMZ that all part-time Superstars are exempt from The Wellness Policy testing. Some of those names include The Rock, The Undertaker, Triple H, and Brock Lesnar.

This apparently didn’t go over two well with several WWE Superstars who are upset about Brock Lesnar continuing to be exempt from the policy when he’s failed two tests with the USADA.

The problem with many is that they feel its making the company look bad, especially after all that has happened with Roman Reigns recently. There is also concern about the double standard of Billy Gunn not being a full-time WWE performer yet being fired for failing a drug test outside the company.
It is a complete disgrace. The Rock looked jacked as hell last time he was on and clearly using ped's as well. Same goes for Triple H and Vince.

Right now you have one of the highest paid wrestlers and the current cover star of the WWE 2K17 game being outed as a drug cheat yet WWE do nothing at all. As the report states as well, Billy Gunn was sacked, but hey the likes of Lesnar, Triple H can do what ever.
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Old 31-07-2016, 14:32
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Has he been fUsed/suspended by the governing body or UFC yet?
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Old 31-07-2016, 14:35
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Has he been fUsed/suspended by the governing body or UFC yet?
Not yet but he failed two tests and the silence from the Lesnar camp is deafening. Even if they had banned him already the stance taken by Vince would be the same and it is disgraceful, even now it is.

The guy flat out cheated and even had the nerve to criticise Jon Jones for failing a drug test but Lesnar took the same bloody drugs as him.

If Vince had any credibility about him, he would suspend Brock until the investigation has been done.
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Old 31-07-2016, 14:38
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Billy Gunn was a NxT trainer full time on top of being a part time performer. If anything he held a position with greater responsibility. Further, Gunn was replaceable and Im pretty sure full time workers (even as trainers) have to adhere to the Wellness Program. The likes of The Rock, Lesnar etc dont need WWE, WWE needs them and is the biggest reason why they wont dare test them.

Also how would you even punish Lesnar? Suspend him? That would be great for Summerslam or suspend him after it when he wouldnt be around anyways.

Would be interesting to know if RVD was subject to testing during his last run though.
This is the thing. How do you suspend somebody who works for you very sporadically? I'm not saying he shouldn't be punished or not be bound by the wellness policy but telling Brock Lesnar he can't show up to work means nothing because he wasn't turning up for work anyway.

I also think that WWE's actions shouldn't preempt a decision by UFC or USADA as he failed their test not a WWE one.

But he should be punished, a suspension seems utterly futile.
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Old 31-07-2016, 14:40
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Not yet but he failed two tests and the silence from the Lesnar camp is deafening. Even if they had banned him already the stance taken by Vince would be the same and it is disgraceful, even now it is.

The guy flat out cheated and even had the nerve to criticise Jon Jones for failing a drug test but Lesnar took the same bloody drugs as him.

If Vince had any credibility about him, he would suspend Brock until the investigation has been done.
And if the investigation finds he hadn't actually failed the test and WWE have already handed out punishment? Remember, the USADA has only said a potential violation.
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Old 31-07-2016, 14:46
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And if the investigation finds he hadn't actually failed the test and WWE have already handed out punishment? Remember, the USADA has only said a potential violation.
This is why he should be suspended until the USADA have finished the investigation, one that will no doubt prove he took PED's. Everyone before the fight said he was jacked and it seems he was.

Look I am probably one of the biggest Lesnar fans on this board, hell without him being in the WWE the last few years I would of not even have bothered with it. Yet he has really pissed me off doing what he has done, he should be returning this week having gone back to the UFC and showing what a great athlete he is. Yet now the WWE won't mention it at all and even his time with the UFC 1st time round should rightly be questioned as well.
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Old 31-07-2016, 14:53
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And I'm not saying Lesnar shouldn't be suspended or that I agree with WWE's exemption for part time talents but I believe that the official investigation by UFC and USADA shouldn't be pre-empted by WWE. Only then, when the allegations are proven, should he be suspended and fined by WWE. In the exact same way WWE doesn't suspend their own talent who potentially fail a drug test before the results are in.
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Old 31-07-2016, 15:00
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And I'm not saying Lesnar shouldn't be suspended or that I agree with WWE's exemption for part time talents but I believe that the official investigation by UFC and USADA shouldn't be pre-empted by WWE. Only then, when the allegations are proven, should he be suspended and fined by WWE. In the exact same way WWE doesn't suspend their own talent who potentially fail a drug test before the results are in.
But do you actually think the WWE will do anything at all regarding Lesnar if (when) he has been found guilty? No, they won't. That is why they were so quick to point out that their part time talent are exempt from drug testing.

The whole thing is a mess and it must really piss off the full time talent when they see statements like this from the WWE. Hell, they even see two of their main bosses in Vince and Hunter no doubt using yet nothing is done to them. Yet if they dare get caught even doing dope they are gone for 30 days.
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Old 31-07-2016, 15:44
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You take drugs you take drugs, part-time or not.

Stop protecting Brock Lesnar for the cheat he is.
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Old 31-07-2016, 17:35
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I actually enjoyed Bray losing at Wrestlemania and so did a lot of other fans who watched mania. Mind you there wasent a chance Taker was losing after he lost the previous year.

However I put the question to you would it have been better if Taker had beaten Brock and then put Bray over the following year and given him the streak?
From a booking standpoint and as a viewer it contributes to driving away fans from the product, when the full time roster play second fiddle to the part time special attraction to such an extent.

Personally I think Vince made a bad call in both ending the streak and booking Lesnar vs. 'Taker @ WM 30. I see why he wanted to run such a shocker. However, in an era where the rest of the product is mostly either predictable or clichéd, it was short-sighted to kill off the streak. Sure, it cemented Brock's special attraction status but he'd have gotten that off the Cena squash at SummerSlam. The Undertaker should have gone over Batista, Sting and Shane McMahon at the last three Mania events.
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Old 31-07-2016, 22:26
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But do you actually think the WWE will do anything at all regarding Lesnar if (when) he has been found guilty? No, they won't. That is why they were so quick to point out that their part time talent are exempt from drug testing.

The whole thing is a mess and it must really piss off the full time talent when they see statements like this from the WWE. Hell, they even see two of their main bosses in Vince and Hunter no doubt using yet nothing is done to them. Yet if they dare get caught even doing dope they are gone for 30 days.
I think they hope it will occur at a time when he isn't actually being used and they can 'suspend' him without it making a difference....After Summerslam and before the Rumble for example
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Old 31-07-2016, 22:44
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From NoDQ.com:

As previously reported, a WWE representative told TMZ that all part-time Superstars are exempt from The Wellness Policy testing.
Well they aint gonna suspend hunter.
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Old 31-07-2016, 22:45
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Also how would you even punish Lesnar?
Make him job to Orton!
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Old 31-07-2016, 22:46
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WWE are not going to suspend or fine Lesnar at any time.
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Old 31-07-2016, 22:47
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Make him job to Orton!
Lesnar doesn't care about losing in wrestling matches. As long as you pay him, he's fine.

Problem is, when you're paying a guy that much money, you have to justify it. Having Orton beat him means nothing to Lesnar or means much in making Orton a bigger star.
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Old 31-07-2016, 22:48
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Would be interesting to know if RVD was subject to testing during his last run though.
They don't report fails for cannabis, the talent is just given a $2500 fine. Rightly or wrongly it's assumed many if not most wrestlers just take the fine without question.

Be most interesting to know if Cena is actually tested. I guess they'd prefer not to, but of course if that got out they'd look bad.
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Old 31-07-2016, 22:53
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Considering Cena is working a limited schedule on house shows, he could officially come under the part time performer tag that makes him exempt from testing.
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Old 31-07-2016, 22:56
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WWE are not going to suspend or fine Lesnar at any time.
It'll be interesting to see if he loses his aura though, his value is in the fact he was seen as an athletic freak of nature who could legitimately compete with the UFC's best. If he's now just seen as a big roided up guy in the same vain as Sid or even Ryback, is he gonna be worth what WWE are paying him?
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Old 31-07-2016, 23:00
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It'll be interesting to see if he loses his aura though, his value is in the fact he was seen as an athletic freak of nature who could legitimately compete with the UFC's best. If he's now just seen as a big roided up guy in the same vain as Sid or even Ryback, is he gonna be worth what WWE are paying him?
I don't think he's worth what WWE are paying him now. Network subscriptions and ratings aren't really affected by him. PPV Ticket sales might be though, however a lot of those shows go on sale before any matches have been announced.
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Old 31-07-2016, 23:25
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Lesnar doesn't care about losing in wrestling matches. As long as you pay him, he's fine.

Problem is, when you're paying a guy that much money, you have to justify it. Having Orton beat him means nothing to Lesnar or means much in making Orton a bigger star.
Then make him lose every single wrestling match he competes in and have the other wrestlers treat him like a jobber!
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Old 31-07-2016, 23:33
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I don't think he's worth what WWE are paying him now. Network subscriptions and ratings aren't really affected by him. PPV Ticket sales might be though, however a lot of those shows go on sale before any matches have been announced.
Hes not. He was a ok wrestler in the Ruthless Aggression era but I wasent all that impressed with him. In fact id probably go as far as he was overpushed way too much considering how he had only come out of their training camp and he suddenly beats everyone and wins the WWE Title. Problem is it obviously went all to his head.

I wouldnt pay half of what he is getting from his contract.
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Old 01-08-2016, 00:00
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There's still the issue of who finally beats Lesnar decisively. I know that's cooled off a bit since 2014, but he's still got that legit unbeatable vibe Andre had in 86, Vader in 92 and Goldberg in 98.
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Old 01-08-2016, 07:12
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Then make him lose every single wrestling match he competes in and have the other wrestlers treat him like a jobber!
That may help the first couple of guys you do it for, but will mean less and less every time you do it. Plus you still have several years of his salary on the books, you're just paying a huge amount of money to a guy who doesn't mean anything. The only option you've got is to have him lose to a guy who you want to make a top guy every so often.
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Old 01-08-2016, 11:56
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Surely it's be win-win for WWE to "suspend" Lesnar? He's not appearing as it is so they're hardly punishing him but in the media's eye they've done something about it. Obviously, us fans know he hasn't exactly been punished but it looks like they've done something about it to everybody else.
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