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World Wrestling Entertainment Discussion 42 (Spoilers)
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calderyon
09-08-2016
I hope they donīt forget the New Day after they inevitably lose the tag team titles to Gallows and Anderson.
pembo2004
09-08-2016
not that stupid pokemom go again!!
James Frederick
09-08-2016
Originally Posted by pembo2004:
“not that stupid pokemom go again!!”

Nothing wrong with Pokemon Go.

Though 400 Candies for a Gyarados is pushing it.
calderyon
09-08-2016
When Goldust screams he sounds like Samuel L. Jackson.
calderyon
09-08-2016
Eh...?

This is kind of random. Surely Rusev isnīt going to lose his championship now?
CardioCortez
09-08-2016
Originally Posted by calderyon:
“Eh...?

This is kind of random.”

Where is this going?

Bryan can't have been there just to say sorry.

Cesaro win and jump to Smackdown?
calderyon
09-08-2016
^ But that would make the match between Rusev and Reigns relatively pointless.

I donīt get this.
James Frederick
09-08-2016
Originally Posted by calderyon:
“Eh...?

This is kind of random. Surely Rusev isnīt going to lose his championship now?”

Lose it this week win it back next week.

Or Triple Threat at Summerslam

Or Sheamus does a run in.
calderyon
09-08-2016
^ Triple threat would be okay.
calderyon
09-08-2016
Maybe itīs all of them.

And they go for a fatal four way for the title.
James Frederick
09-08-2016
Now the Podcast
stu64
09-08-2016
Very very awkward podcast but Ambrose has always been a bit more of a complex person than most other WWE wrestlers, which in a way I like.

Lesnar is coming across a bigger dick all the time though and that is why Ambrose was drunk at the HOF as Lesnar could not be arsed in doing anything for their WM match. Shows just how much control Lesnar has though and it seems he has way to much control right now.

That WM match should of been epic and by the sounds of it Lesnar/Ambrose were given creative control of it and Lesnar just wanted his usual shit boring suplex match. From being a huge Lesnar fan I am really starting to see why some people can't stand him.
Hollie_Louise
09-08-2016
Didn't watch the podcast but read an overview and it seems pretty good. Lesnar isn't having the best month is he? Like Stu says, he obviously just wanted his standard Suplex City match with a few weapons which I can understand being frustrating for Ambrose.

I think it's pretty well believed that Lesnar does what Lesnar wants to do and can get away with more (blading for example) or he just pays the fine and moves on so why when you have that freedom would you go for the easy option? You've got a freedom most people in WWE would kill for and you just want to Suplex somebody over and over every match you have.

I can understand the Suplex City thing, it was one of those off the cuff moments which related with the audience but it only needed to happen in the Cena matches (I'd argue the only time it's been effective as it was such a shock to see Cena mauled like he was) but give it a rest. I'd be disappointed if Orton's return, at a time when he's revitalised and again looking like he's having fun, was a Lesnar ego boost we've seen in pretty much every match he's had since Mania 30.

And I think it harms Heyman. A great talker, I could listen to him (and often have) for hours and sadly every promo is the same. He talks, Lesnar stands and laughs, Lesnar walks away. Heyman could do really well away from Lesnar but he's stuck delivering this promo (and to his credit I feel does it quite well).
Hollie_Louise
09-08-2016
Speaking of Orton, just reading he's had his second Wellness Policy strike removed from his record. According to the policy, if a talent voluntarily attends a drug rehab programme, a strike can be removed.

Also reading current plans for Summerslam will see
Spoiler
Balor walking out Universal Champion. Apparently Vince is super high on him and has wanted him on the main roster for a while now and it was Hunter holding back due to his NXT success.
hazydayz
09-08-2016
I don't think WWE would allow what needed to be done anyway. The go to weapon seems to be the kendo stick, a chair shot usually involves the other person bending over for several seconds so they can be hit across the shoulders.


I would love to have seen a proper professional wrestling brawl but I don't think WWE will ever do it again or at least not until Vince retires and even then that could be a good 5 to 10 years down the line and to be quite honest, in 5 to 10 years I would be very surprised if WWE still has their programming on TV, it'll all be on their Network. I will give Ambrose credit for wanting it though, it's nice to see that some of these younger wrestlers still know what wrestling really is and should be violent, it should have blood, it should be hard to watch at times, it should really be aimed at adults. I'm surprised Lesnar acted this way but maybe it was his way of saying Ambrose was beneath him and unfortunately with WWE's attitude just now, of course they're not gonna try and convince Lesnar to bleed or be violent, that will suit them just fine having a nice clean match and I think the crowd reacted appropriately, by sitting on their hands in silence watching them go through the motions.


It's Randy Orton and Triple H 2009 all over again. They're too scared to step outside their PG box but they build it and build it and when it comes down to the match, it's just a basic wrestling match. No violence at all. In other words all the story build up was for nothing. Same thing here. They had Ambrose meet Foley and Funk, you had Ambrose cut some great promos talking about what he was gonna do and HAD to do to beat Lesnar and what did they do? 1970s wrestling again. Suplexes, fighting outside the ring, more mat wrestling. It's 2016. Come on WWE ffs. Enough with the cookie cutter wrestling at 11pm at night.

I remember the Miz saying something similar a few years ago. He said there are wrestlers there willing to take chairshots to the head (silly) and bleed but WWE wont allow it. I'm glad that was said and I'm glad that that's the way some of the wrestlers are thinking, they know themselves how wrestling should be. It just shows you how Lesnar really can make or break a feud just with his attitude. He had the potential to give fans something memorable at Wrestlemania and he opted for just a basic wrestling match. The whole card was full of basic wrestling matches. He could have given some great highlight reel moments for future generations.
Hollie_Louise
09-08-2016
They shouldn't try to convince anybody to bleed though, it's a good thing they don't do that. It's dangerous not only to the person but the others in the ring.

Same with chair shots, they just don't want a re-run of Benoit which is/was a massive stain on the industry as a whole.

I doubt it was ever happening anyway but when you've got people who worked for a year of their entire career suing the company for concussions, it's definitely not.

I can understand wrestlers wanting it, especially the younger guys, but watching those chair shots is just uncomfortable because we know what happens.
hazydayz
09-08-2016
They can do protected chair shots. Triple H did them all the time, Triple H always put his hand up in front of his face and his hand hit the flat part of the chair, there's no need for the chair to ever touch anyone's head and it's the tone of the show. The whole bending over to get hit on the back, I'm talking about a tone where anything can happen, people can still be hit in the back or the stomach or the legs but they can do things like that much faster and make it look more violent, much more faster, quick paced, frantic like a brawl, the way the wrestlers are told to work now it looks very clean and sterile.

Blood can always be done safely. Even in the 70s wrestlers were taking aspirin to thin the blood and even the smallest of cuts can produce lots of blood, it's no different than me taking aspirin and nicking myself when shaving, ask anyone that takes aspirin, you bleed a lot. These are all simple effective tricks that not only make wrestling look more violent but if done right, can be very safe to do. Your head is one of the most sensitive parts of your body and it heals very quickly. No one's deliberately butchering themselves, just like putting their hands up and letting the chair hit their hands, the smallest of cuts with aspirin should leave no scars on anyones head nor should it hurt. It's only for effect.

I'm not saying WWE should encourage people to bleed the hard way, there is safe ways to do it but my issue with WWE is they don't like blood at all, even when someone bleeds the hard way, they very often cut away from it, only with Lesnar did they really bother to actually show you his face, everyone else gets ignored, that's my issue mainly, they try to hide it and pretend it doesn't exist. It's the same issue i have with the MITB matches or TLC matches, they have real ladders in there, not fake ones and when the wrestlers get hit the wrong way or they get hurted they turn the camera away and that is real, those ladders really do hurt so it's like them basically saying, these wrestlers are legit hitting themselves with these ladders but no one gets hurt, no one bleeds, no one gets injured, just focus on the next big spot in the match, we wont show you any injuries or paramedics. That's my issue. And it's the impression it gives to kids, it tells kids that you can do all this stuff to people and they don't get hurt, no one bleeds, no one falls the wrong way, no one gets injured and the truth is they do get hurt. For some reason they don't want anyone to see a wrestler bleed or even acknowledge when someone needs a doctor if they can get away with it. And I know people will talk about sponsors but really the sponsors should maybe also sit down in front of their TV at 11pm at night and see what's on. Have a good look at what is on every night of the week, there's a lot worse on TV and my opinion on all this is the sponsors don't care one bit. They don't care as long as they get paid. It's WWE doing this and while they don't go out their way to show violence, they also try their best to hide very real violence that occasionally happens on their shows and that is wrong, trying to hide it is wrong when they could just apologise for any blood if they really wanted to.
PandaPawPaw
09-08-2016
I can not stand Enzo and Cass. They're so shite! Enzo in particular is rather poor in ring and Cass just looks lost most of the time.

The Balor promo was hilariously bad. Guy can't talk for shit. I was a fan of his as Prince Devitt/Bullet Club as he had some charisma going on but so far in the WWE he's been rather meh.

I'm really liking Roman again recently though he still needs to tone down the smiley smiley/aren't I funny stuff.

Also what a waste of Cake.
ags_rule
09-08-2016
Originally Posted by Hollie_Louise:
“They shouldn't try to convince anybody to bleed though, it's a good thing they don't do that. It's dangerous not only to the person but the others in the ring.

Same with chair shots, they just don't want a re-run of Benoit which is/was a massive stain on the industry as a whole.

I doubt it was ever happening anyway but when you've got people who worked for a year of their entire career suing the company for concussions, it's definitely not.

I can understand wrestlers wanting it, especially the younger guys, but watching those chair shots is just uncomfortable because we know what happens.”

I wish this myth that Benoit did what he did because of chairshots to the head would go away.

The fact is that Benoit suffered brain trauma from multiple concussions. We have no way of saying for certain what caused them but it is far more likely to have been the fact his finisher was a diving headbutt - a move that crippled the Dynamite Kid and helped put an end to Daniel Bryan's career - than taking an occasional chairshots (far, far fewer than the likes of Austin, Rock, HHH, Taker etc)
Sargeant80
09-08-2016
I'm kinda in the middle as far as blood is concerned.

Blood can only shock if its very rare. If people get used to it, then you end up on the road to more and more extreme things.

WWE have gone far to far though in restricting it. If its happens naturally, which is does they should simply go with it. We now have a situation that a nose bleed results in the ref getting involved and wide camera angles to not show it.

People blame PG but the WWE operate so far within it that rating out of choice.
PandaPawPaw
09-08-2016
I only want blood if it happens by accident and not by them cutting themselves open. When I was younger I used to love it but as I got older, I really dislike it now.

Like the thumb tacks spot recently during the Jericho/Ambrose match was too much for me. Just made me think does this really make the match better.

When I first saw that spot during the RR 2000 match between HHH/Jack, I was like wow that's awesome but like I say as I got older, I really don't like that type of stuff anymore.
Hollie_Louise
09-08-2016
Originally Posted by ags_rule:
“I wish this myth that Benoit did what he did because of chairshots to the head would go away.

The fact is that Benoit suffered brain trauma from multiple concussions. We have no way of saying for certain what caused them but it is far more likely to have been the fact his finisher was a diving headbutt - a move that crippled the Dynamite Kid and helped put an end to Daniel Bryan's career - than taking an occasional chairshots (far, far fewer than the likes of Austin, Rock, HHH, Taker etc)”

Just to say, I'm not saying chair shots were responsible but it was one of the things WWE took flak for (quite rightly) in the aftermath.
hazydayz
09-08-2016
10 years next year since the Benoit incident, really it's 10 years too long. Even the PG thing, Smackdown was always PG, it was only Raw and PPVs that were TV14 and even then Raw was PG until January 1999, arguably the best part of the Attitude Era was completely PG and even that's 8 years now. I do think what we have now is because of Benoit.

WWE made Raw and PPVs PG in July 2008. The ironic thing about this and what they have done since is the very same month at that PPV, they had Shawn Michaels vs Chris Jericho and Shawn Michaels bladed pretty deep so that right there tells me, the PG and blood thing really is WWE assuming they can't show blood because if they really cared about wrestler's blading they wouldn't have had Shawn Michaels blade that way literally right before the change in the rating and they showed that up close all the way. I think the blood is definately a WWE policy and nothing to do with the PG rating or sponsors so that's why my issue is with WWE and really 8 years is long enough. That's enough time to pass and did it not come out later that year that the WWE wanted a PG rating as early as January 2008 but the USA Network told them they had to tone it down for a 6 month period before granting them that rating. That also is odd because I thought, or I would have that that WWE would have been in charge of their own rating. January 2008 would have been 6 months after the Benoit incident so there's no doubt in my mind that it was just a reaction, a reaction that has made them tons of money since by proxy so they haven't lost from it.


I do think they have limited themselves severely though and If i was them I would want it in writing what I could and couldn't do on the show, what language I could and could not say, what is off limits and what isn't and I would ask the writers to write the best show possible using those parameters, not WWE's own self inflicted ones.
Hollie_Louise
09-08-2016
Originally Posted by PandaPawPaw:
“I only want blood if it happens by accident and not by them cutting themselves open. When I was younger I used to love it but as I got older, I really dislike it now.

Like the thumb tacks spot recently during the Jericho/Ambrose match was too much for me. Just made me think does this really make the match better.

When I first saw that spot during the RR 2000 match between HHH/Jack, I was like wow that's awesome but like I say as I got older, I really don't like that type of stuff anymore.”

Completely agree. When I was younger I loved it, could watch that stuff over and over. Now it just makes me cringe.
hazydayz
09-08-2016
And speaking of chairshots, WWE had chairshots to the head well into January 2010, so the chairshots to the head had nothing to do with the PG rating either. You see how it can all be muddled together?


The general gist of what I'm saying is I think WWE could allow a lot more on their shows and if you have that's willing to hurt themselves to bleed the hard way, the right thing to do would be to pull them aside, let them take aspirin and let them bleed safely, all this hitting heads on ringposts is much more dangerous than a little nick with a little blade.
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