Hazy still pretending that Russo hasn't been a big fat failure for ten times longer than he was a success is almost as stale as WWE programming.

Match of the year coming up.

Hazy and Russo view on Russo:
Russo was responsible for everything through his WWE tenure, apart from the stuff people didn't like.

Russo was responsible for nothing through his WCW tenure, apart from the things people liked.

Its like the people who say all the time Russo Was in TNA he had no control but then point to his tenure as the highest rated period for TNA.

you do not have a clue

but im here to talk when you are ready

Oh so he hasn't? Name some of his successes then.

None of you will know this since none of you follow his podcasts but Vince Russo has already laughed and joked about horrible ideas of his in all 3 companies. At the end of the day it's wrestling, it's a joke anyway, it's a show, it's not meant to be taken seriously. You can't have everything serious. The only thing that matters is whether people watch it or not. That is all that matters. That is what the WWE should thinking about just now. Getting people to watch.



And if they had any sense they would line all those women up, line all those male indie workers up and fire every one of them cause none of them will ever be stars, they wont draw any money


Like I said if the numbers were going the other way then we would be idiots. I think FMKK is the same way. Someone that doesn't want to be told the truth, can't stand it and that's ok. I know people in real life the same way. They don't want to be told anything other than what they want to hear. People in general don't like to hear the truth. I want wrestling to be great again.


And guys, do yourselves a favour if you really are adults, don't sit and believe things you read online especially in dirtsheets. Cold hard facts are all that's needed. Dirtsheets are just people using clickbait to make money. They are giving their opinions and mixing it in with blatant lies. FMKK I think you are someone that literally believes what you are told. You probably believe everything, all those charity videos they do, all those 24 hour shows without even realising it's all one big fake work. Do you believe everything JBL tells you in his interviews? Do you believe everything the McMahons tell you? Do you believe what Dave Meltzer tells you? Not one thing can be backed up with cold hard facts.


But what can be? Contracts. Dates of employment. Ratings. We can literally look at the ratings Vince Russo helped produce at all 3 companies by looking at the times he worked there. Vince Russo had a 2 year contract at WCW but worked only 9 months, we know what those 9 months were hence we can look at those ratings and compare them to the other 15 months he wasn't.

TNA? We can look at the ratings he helped get on Spike TV. We can also look at the ratings on Spike TV AFTER he left, they were doing over 1 million viewers on Spike on a weekly basis when he was there, they even reached 2 million viewers on 2 separate occasions, the last one being the Impact after Bound For Glory 2010 where the first 45 minutes of the show featured nothing but talking. Those 45 minutes from minute 1 to minute 45 saw the rating rising, the talking outdrew the wrestling. We can also look at TNA's last shows on Spike TV without Russo. We can then look at the ratings on DA and now on POP TV and they've went from a height of 2 million viewers to a consistent 1+ million to now 300,000. Not that 2 million is a great number to brag about or even 1.1 or 1.2 million but the fact is that company saw it's highest ratings under his watch. He might not have booked it on his own but he had input int it, the same people that had input in the show are the same people that were there after he was let go. Just like the WWF did. WCW also saw increases in their ratings when he was there the first 2 times.


And people always bring up him consulting for TNA and it being a secret. That was Dixie Carter's decision. Jeff Jarrett still hasn't spoken to him since then. Vince Russo approached Karen Jarrett at the Wrestlecon even in April and she burst into tears and he didn't want to repeat what she said to him but he said a lot of things came to light that he never knew about, things that went back to 2002 that he had no idea of and now the Jarretts know he knew nothing about. Vince kissed Jeff on the cheek in front of everyone and told him he loves him and Jeff still couldn't bring himself to talk to him. That situation caused many problems and what many people didn't know and Vince confirmed was that Eric Bischoff was also consulting for TNA and Eric was consistently burying the show but the real reason TNA left Spike TV was because John Gaburick got rid of Eric Bischoff and the Spike TV execs loved Eric Bischoff and Eric was working with them on other programming just like he was helping produce TNA Impact. When Russo would send in his notes every week, so would Eric, Eric would bury the show, Vince did pretty much the same thing but would give suggestions, none of them were ever listened to by Dixie or John but what Eric was doing was sending those same notes into Spike TV so when he was burying the show to Dixie, he was also burying the show to Spike TV and when Dixie and John found out about that, John was the one that let Eric go despite the fact Eric's company was still helping produce the show. Once Eric was gone, Spike didn't want anything to do with TNA anymore because for the past few years at that point everything they said went through Eric and Eric got along great with them.


But of course that doesn't make good reading does it? That's not quite juicy enough for the dirtsheets. Is there anyone you fans would listen to? Shawn Michaels already laughed with Vince Russo at the fact pro wrestling doesn't exist anymore and the wrestlers laugh at the fact the fans keep watching and will never stop. Is Shawn not good enough? What about Steve Austin? Mick Foley? They all agree with Russo. Damien Sandow was interviewed last week. Adam Rose this week. Bob Backlund last week. Are they all liars too along with Shawn Michaels? I don't think so. Vince Russo is friends with many many people in the business, the only real hate seems to come from internet fans that have never met him and have only read stories from the dirtsheets.


The joke is on the fans. And for some of you on here, you're experiencing it in real life too. You're loved ones aren't wrong. 7 million Americans that no longer watch wrestling aren't wrong. I'm not wrong. Shawn Michaels isn't wrong. Damien Sandow isn't wrong. Bob Backlund isn't wrong. Steve Austin isn't wrong. We're not all wrong. This thread on page 17 isn't wrong. The people have gone. I've told you why. The business has changed for the worse.

Them referees are bloody useless all those light taps on Rusev's arms to try break the Ackolade. Grab him by the hair or gouge at his f*****g eyes and you'd get him off.

I mean if hes going to pull shit like that during entrances Shane should strip him of the US title.

Not real.

Why do people always say stuff like this? It just seems fans on here dont take the wrestling as serious as we used to take it. There used to be a time when fans around the net would have heated debate about being incensed about a particular angle.

Do you reckon its likely Sasha will end up with a title shot at Summerslam? I know others have claimed Bayley would turn up but with her being the only popular NXT Diva left I doubt they would remove her yet.

After seeing Paige beat Charlotte again on Raw in another singles match in the past few weeks maybe its all a red herring and herself will be the one to take the belt from Charlotte.

Unless they have Nikki Bella being the one who will end the reign seeing as she got injured in Charlotte's match so you could play a revenge storyline the returning face goes after the heel who injured her.

Wow Hazy that's a very personal question but since your interested I'm currently 28 years old soon to be 29 been watching wrestling for a good while and even I can tell you that Vince Russo is the main reason why WCW is no longer in excistance think I've stressed that enough.

BTW I don't read dirtsheets and yes I have read Stephs book would you like a copy?

Mate seriously FMKK does make a good point stop taking these things too personally.

I think Paige beating Charlotte had something to do with Charlotte and Dana Brookes partnership rather than Paige getting a title shot Paige beat Charlotte a month ago still doesn't make a difference Paige didn't get her title shot and Charlotte is still Women's champion I rest my case.

I think Hazy makes some good points in his posts.

Sinister, what you want to argue is that Vince Russo's booking caused low ratings and somehow that equals the company losing money to the tune of $60 million in one year. Not once has anyone in that company, even Eric Bischoff who loves to throw dirt on Russo ever confirmed that, there's no documentation on that, nothing at all to prove what is essentially lies. The truth of the matter is AOL Time Warner did not want wrestling on TNT, TNT was under new management and it didn't matter how much money wrestling did or didn't make the station or who was booking the shows, they didn't want wrestling and that was all there is to it.

Bischoff has never denied it either, nor anybody who worked for WCW. It works both ways.

Thats rubbish and you know it. WCW was in free fall and was a bad asset of the newly formed company that was not making money. They didnt want WCW because from a business point of view it made no sense to keep it. In any merger, the parts thay dont make money are the first to go. WCW was one of them.

Now lets just say WCW was making money, dominating the market and had huge viewer numbers only an idiot would sell it off as cheap as $5 million dollars. It was simply a liability from a business point of view and why was it losing money? The product was bad, wrestlers had large expensive contracts and some of those had creative control. It simply lacked proper management and you cant blame AOL TimeWarner on that one. Was Russo to blame? Yes, was Russo the only one to blame? No, Russo was given an almost impossible task and the damage was done long before he left WWFE.

Times change.

What people did 5 years ago has nothing to do with today.

People can either stay stuck in the past (and have a obsession with how things was in some cases) or they can move with the times/product. Clearly people still take it seriously as if not people would not be discussing it to such a extent but nowadays the majority of people "take it seriously" in a different way as they did in the past.

The product has changed, Things that was important in the past are not important nowadays.

No offence Hazy but I just don't believe a word you say especially since you believe what your beloved Vince Russo says even though his a failure.

You don't need to believe a word I say but what a grown up person would do is not sit and believe tales they've read online from people they've never even met. You don't know what you're talking about, that is the truth, the truth is you have no idea what you're talking about.

Vince Russo was employed by WWF in 1992 to work on their magazine freelance with one other person. By the time 1996 rolled around it was Vince McMahon and Vince Russo at his house, just the two of them booking Raw. He worked 9 months out of a 2 year WCW contract. He worked twice in TNA with his last run ending in 2014. Apart from those blips from 2001-2002 and the short time he left TNA in 2004. That's pretty much 20 years employed consistently in the wrestling. That's a long time to work doing the same job, would a failure really be in the same business that long?


Do you know what I think the issue is here? I think some people have grown up in the 2000s and they've grown up in the computer age. And what's happened is they've never experienced the best years of wrestling first hand. They've grown up thinking wrestling should be a certain way having NEVER LIVED through the good years of wrestling, they've missed 20 good years of wrestling and one of the things they've grown up believing, and this is something the dirtsheets always preach too, they've grown up believing wrestling is all about the match. It's all about the belt.


Whereas if said people had not only been a bit older and wiser but grown up through and entire 20-30 year period prior they would know that wrestling is not about the fake matches, nor the fake belts and the reason it was successful for decades is because of 3 things.

1) Characters
2) Storyline
3) You believe the fight is real


People don't flip flop around in a real fight. There's no characters now. Even the women look normal. There's women walking by my front door taking their kids to school everyday that look nicer than most of the women on the WWE roster. Storylines? What storylines?

That's what the issue is and those people can't stand it when people like me come along and tell them their precious wrestling doesn't matter, they don't like it when I tell them it means nothing, and obviously the heat is being turned up now since the WWE's ratings are at it's lowest point since 1995, more and more people are tuning out than ever before which means no one cares and I know exactly why they don't care, I know why boyfriends head to bed when the New Day come on screen, I can you tell you straight why it is the way it is, millions could, millions of people that know what wrestling should be. Any former fan could sit down, infact anyone with a lick of common sense, a bit of life experience behind them could sit down and tell you what was wrong with wrestling but like most of the computer age generation, they don't wanna be told something they don't like.

Because it is the truth

What so wrestling fans cant have a passion and be ingrossed in the storylines? There used to be a time when Hunter was World champ and he'd do something and fans would be right cheesed off and vent their disapointment on the message boards with frustration.

But no these days you say something and someone will jump on the post saying its not real. I guess people cant show passion these days.

Ha ha ha. Rusev got a kicking on Smackdown. Nice one Titus you teach that bully a lesson.

Of course they can but again the way they show that "passion" has changed. The business you could say has grown up

They are "ingrossed" in a different way.

Its not real that is a fact. It don't matter if years ago people showed it in one way that was then this is now. Of course its your right to show it in the way it has been shown in the past but you will find most people have moved on

Reading reports that Tyson Kidd's performer contract is up soon and he's been told by WWE they don't believe they will ever clear him to return to the ring. I really hope this isn't true, he was great through and after his NXT re-emergence.