Ballsy from Jericho whatever you think of him.

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Balor's injury. Rollins really has to calm the **** down and never do the powerbomb into the barricade again.

Also, the suspensions may still be to come.

For me, the Lesnar thing is frustrating because they refuse to allow anybody to look competitive against him. What would have been wrong with Orton actually taking it to Orton and eventually losing? Why can't they just let a Lesnar match be more than suplex, suplex, suplex, suplex, bit of a comeback for 10 seconds, suplex, suplex, suplex, laugh at camera, suplex, suplex, F5, suplex, suplex, F5, pin.

I'm just going to start not watching his matches, I've got no reason to watch a Lesnar match because I know exactly how it's going to go. No particular problem with Lesnar being part time, Lesnar looking dominant but my god man do something for that ridiculous pay check and schedule you've been given and give people something to work with.

Sorry Im just imaging the thought of Jericho confronting Lesnar whilst wearing his scarf.

I can see where you're coming from. And I'm taking all the credit for it.

Like him or not with Goldberg in the past and now Brock Jericho doesn't back down if confrounted by much bigger people who could legit hurt him.

Absolutely, good on Jericho. Does sound a little unprofessional but after seeing Lesnar in interviews, I can imagine he is an arrogant person who it would be difficult to not get annoyed by if he was giving the lip.

Agreed on the powerbomb. Two people injured by it in not much over a year. It's a shame because Balor is getting a super push.

Like you wouldn't watch that!

All his matches in 2015 (bar the Rollins one) were really good, including two match of the year contenders and a brutal cell match with Taker. But as with everything in WWE, they kinda dumb it down to a parody of itself. It seems more and more obvious that they should have put someone over him at Mania 32 and I would have chosen Roman for a rematch.

At least listening to Eva Maries announcer would be way better than an ADR promo.

I never said it was a bad thing.

Just that they might have no choice in it.

At this point the rumoured suspensions are such an elephant in the room that they might as well just have a show dedicated to revealing who is and isn't suspended with reveals throughout the show.

And even if nobody is, you've still found a way to keep people interested for 3 hours.

I'm not necessarily saying I'm not a fan of his matches but I am incredibly frigging bored of them/him. I seriously hope somebody defeats him at 33 and maybe then he can have a match instead of a main event squash.

Maybe this is just me saying this cause I'm kinda cold on that style but I really think WWE ought to dial back the main event style. All the finisher kick-outs, breakneck pace and crazy bumps coming in are wearing these guys down. It's no coincidence that the injuries have dramatically increased as this style has taken off.

I think they need to go back to a traditional structure a bit more. Have heels actually be heels and work over their opponents, get the crowd into it with good sympathy selling from the face, brawl a bit more, less finisher kickouts etc. Even let them blade from time to time, because that's safer than landing head-first on a ring apron.

It'll take a while to recondition crowds who are into the spotfest stuff but it's worthwhile in the long run.

While I'm hardly his biggest fan, Ambrose really should have won against Lesnar at Mania 32. Especially with a NO DQ stipulation.

But then again we do have to remember back then there were complaints about Lesnar losing his aura because he hadn't won the Rumble and then hadn't won one triple threat (but was very protected in doing so - and not pinned).

Hell they might as well just show some CCTV footage of ADR and Paige apparently getting high or that apparent Lesnar/Jericho confrontation even better cancel Raw and Smackdown just so Sky can replace it with WWE From the Vault.

I'm surprised Jericho did that, clearly it was all a work so why would he think it was real?

He looked like he was going to feud with the Wyatt jobbers. That's a bad demotion for him. I don't think Ambrose is believable to beat him either.

They should have switched it up and went Roman vs Brock and Ambrose vs HHH.


A hardway elbow and a pool of blood isn't something you usually see on WWE TV in fairness. Seems like it was more of a misunderstanding due to Hayes trying to be a worker.

Regarding the Lesnar/Jericho argument, I think it shows more and more people backstage are getting fed up with Lesnar. Before no one would say anything about him but the other week you had Orton talking about him not need enhancements to win, then Ambrose called him lazy and now this.

Like Hollie said, it is not so much the part time stuff it is the fact when he is on Raw, he does nothing at all (bar 1/2 times a year) then most of his matches are now 10 mins long and are boring.

Although I would now watch a Lesnar v Jericho extreme rules match!

At the same time TPTB haven't helped and at worst have almost encouraged it. That 'brass ring' comment from Vince in particular. If superstars hear that they feel like they have to go above and beyond and take more and more crazy risks to get noticed and appreciated and a better slot.

That said with the above I do worry that it almost gets to an attitude that 'high-flying' full stop is bad and a sin which is frankly ludicrous. I watch wrestling to have fun, enjoy myself and be amazed and high-flying is a big part of that. Everyone loves a good 'holy shit' move. I don't want the opposite extreme where every match must have 15 minutes working over a bodypart.

A mix as ever works best. I think they do need to tone it down a tad in terms of spots/finisher kick-outs but I'm not keen on the opposite extreme either.

I agree and I've said it before. Something happened (maybe it was before this but around HBK/HHH vs Taker at Mania) that made constant finisher kick outs a permanent fixture of every main event match/every match featuring a main eventer. Probably said this before here as well but those matches weren't good BECAUSE of the constant finisher kick outs, they were good matches that featured finisher kickouts. I wish they'd stop beliving putting 17 finishers into a match doesn't make it a good match.

I would like to see a return to slightly old school moments. And something else, why does everybody use the same moves these days? What happened to those traditional moves that worked perfectly well for decades? Stuff like pumphandle slams, back breakers, the kind of body under the arm and slam the back (It's really pissing me off that I can't remember the names of these moves). Side Russian leg sweeps, baseball slides. Bring a bit of the old school back to add some variation.

Now every ****er just jumps from the top rope/through the middle ropes onto people because everybody goes 'oooooooh' and 'aaaaahh' and 'THIS IS AWESOME'.

Ambrose/Lesnar in a singles match maybe not believable. Ambrose/Lesnar in a No DQ match is much more believable. Especially with the focus they had on that chainsaw in the build-up (what were they thinking?)

And disagree on switching the match-ups. If anything Roman would have been even more unpopular in that scenario. Fans felt he was beng overpushed - the solution to that would never have been to have him be the one to be the one to beat Brock. Believable or not.

That applies even more to Strowman. Fans feel Strowman is valued too highly by TPTB and having him be the one to beat Brock would only make that worse.

Oh yeah, I agree. Vince and co are as much at fault as anyone.

I have nothing against high-flying but I'm a fan of build and variety. So not every match should have crazy bumps and stuff etc. I think that's a bit lacking. I also think part of the issue is that all these guys come from a very similar wrestling background. In the past you had people coming through all sorts of different territories with different styles whereas most of the top stars are just indy graduates. Who is the last really good wrestler WWE have built from scratch themselves? Well, it's actually Roman Reigns but they're few and far between.

Another thing is playing to the live crowd. I found some 80s house shows on Youtube and its amazing how those guys could get pops for so little because they worked the live audience. Vince doesn't want the guys to do that now though. It's all for the TV camera. If the guys worked the crowd more, they could get better reactions for smaller things and wouldn't need to kill themselves.

Sidewalk slam?

But yeah, I agree. Practically everyone does a middle rope dive now, even people who are really shit at it.

But not every match needs to have one and that is what they have lost sight of. We all know that at some point, 8 or 9 matches out of 10, somebody will be flying to the outside. We had a high flying division in WWE for years, the likes of the Hardys and Edge and Christian personified it but it was a division, a group of people, not an invasion on the rest of the card.

It also massively ruins high flying moments. Put it this way, to me that image of Edge spearing Jeff Hardy from the belt hook at Wrestlemania is almost iconic. It takes me back to that moment in that match. Contrast that with every MITB match, somebody has to go through a ladder. WWE constantly talks about creating moments but what they don't seem to get is if you re-create the moment in every match or at every event, you haven't created a moment but a cheap spot to make a crowd cheer. Will the image of somebody crashing through a ladder or somebody diving to the outside live in my head for 15 years and make me smile every time I think of it? No, simply because we always see it.

It's the indie style and the roster is full of indie workers. They don't sell anything. I can't believe it's on WWE TV and even without the constant false finishes, just having high impact moves during a match and then the wrestler goes straight back to their feet just kills any credibility.


This is what the WWE welcomes now and it affects the ending of the show, these people aren't used to seeing violence or blood, the minute they see it they assume it must be real and it's a shoot and that's one reason why the WWE is the way it is.

I thought it had a fancy name but now I realise it's simply a sidewalk slam and feel like a tiny bit of a tit

Also, just gonna say I'm quite proud of my "It was a division not an invasion" line so just in case nobody picks up on it, I'm going to sing my own praises