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Its still laughable how this is supposed to be the new generation of new consoles in PS4/X1 and all this new better power and graphics and they still cant have more than 6 wrestlers on the screen at the same time.
The PS2 had less than these consoles today and they could have 8 wrestlers on the screen at the same time. They only had 8 wrestlers on screen once during the entire series and at the time even the developers mentioned how the game slowed and suffered from this. The only way they can do this is by dropping the framerate and theyll never do that as the industry has a thing for better graphics over better gameplay. |
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The video games are just like the TV product, as long as enough people keep paying money for it, why change it? Why bother to make an effort when you can make money putting in no effort?
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Someone put a Bork v Nakamura match from 2006 on youtube- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=getf9rUQa2g
So strange Nakamura is in developmental 10 years after main eventing the Tokyo dome. |
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You answered the question within your own analysis. The amount of things going on at one time has increased in great detail. Just look at the crowd for example. So whilst the processes are getting better so are the minor things that maintains thr status quo. Look at games that have many things go on and they are suffer from game glitches and freezes (Assassin Creed, Batman, Fallout etc).
They only had 8 wrestlers on screen once during the entire series and at the time even the developers mentioned how the game slowed and suffered from this. The only way they can do this is by dropping the framerate and theyll never do that as the industry has a thing for better graphics over better gameplay. Then you have the whole community creations thing and it always went down with errors and game companies claimed they would fix it next year and still same problem even though year after year they said they d fix them and you get the same problems. Look at the Lego games they are riddled with glitches and bugs that never get fixed yet fans buy their product every year. Sorry but fans hate playing a level and cant finish it at the end because they didnt kill the left side monster first before the right hand. Assassins creed yeah just shows dont make a game once a year, work on the game so we dont get invisible baddies or things that dont unlock when you ve done them. |
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Someone put a Bork v Nakamura match from 2006 on youtube- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=getf9rUQa2g
So strange Nakamura is in developmental 10 years after main eventing the Tokyo dome. If not it would be beyond laughable that Strowman and Rawley had been sent to the main roster before Nakamura, Joe and Aries. |
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What you mean someone put a match up? Plenty of people put matches on youtube.
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BREAKING NEWS: @WWE is saddened to learn of the passing of @WWE Hall of Famer Mr. Fuji. http://wwe.me/thKr7y
RIP Mr Fuji
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BREAKING NEWS: @WWE is saddened to learn of the passing of @WWE Hall of Famer Mr. Fuji. http://wwe.me/thKr7y
RIP Mr Fuji ![]() . One of the best managers ever. RIP
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BREAKING NEWS: @WWE is saddened to learn of the passing of @WWE Hall of Famer Mr. Fuji. http://wwe.me/thKr7y
RIP Mr Fuji ![]() R.I.P Mr Fuji |
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Another great gone
. One of the best managers ever. RIP |
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BREAKING NEWS: @WWE is saddened to learn of the passing of @WWE Hall of Famer Mr. Fuji. http://wwe.me/thKr7y
RIP Mr Fuji ![]() R.I.P Mr "I'm the Boss" Fuji!
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What are you on about?
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I thought I'd see how WWE was getting on. It took my partner and I all week to watch Summerslam. Incredibly long and boring PPV. The only excitement came at the end with the brutality of the Lesnar match. He's the only true star they have now.
The cut is interesting. Do people think it was a blade job? It could conceivably have been a blade job because Orton had his hands around his head just before. But my instinct looking at the wound is that it wasn't. Perhaps I'm wrong. Also you can see Heyman briefly break character just after it happens when he's still stood on the floor. And the commentators seemed genuinely surprised. Also, am I right in thinking Lesnar was 100% absent from TV this week? Also points to an unplanned incident. The question then becomes what the intended finish was to be. |
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I thought I'd see how WWE was getting on. It took my partner and I all week to watch Summerslam. Incredibly long and boring PPV. The only excitement came at the end with the brutality of the Lesnar match. He's the only true star they have now.
The cut is interesting. Do people think it was a blade job? It could conceivably have been a blade job because Orton had his hands around his head just before. But my instinct looking at the wound is that it wasn't. Perhaps I'm wrong. Also you can see Heyman briefly break character just after it happens when he's still stood on the floor. And the commentators seemed genuinely surprised. Also, am I right in thinking Lesnar was 100% absent from TV this week? Also points to an unplanned incident. The question then becomes what the intended finish was to be. I think there was a closed meeting between Vince, Hunter, Heyman, Brock and Orton on the finish. The finish was dumb I didnt watch it because it made me just quit watching the show when I realised what they were going through. A big waste of time. I still dont get why they have to still make Lesnar untouchable. Quit building him up and give the push to someone else. |
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Just checked how tall Ambrose is following his stare down with AJ.
Then looked at this... http://digitalspyuk.cdnds.net/16/05/...lesnar-raw.jpg Ambrose 6' 3 Brock 6' 1 |
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If you want to watch a decent summerslam probably best to watch a old one from years ago.
I think there was a closed meeting between Vince, Hunter, Heyman, Brock and Orton on the finish. The finish was dumb I didnt watch it because it made me just quit watching the show when I realised what they were going through. A big waste of time. I still dont get why they have to still make Lesnar untouchable. Quit building him up and give the push to someone else. But Lesnar, right now, is the biggest, most legit star they have, Orton wouldn't, and as much I like him just now, shouldn't be the one getting the rub, and I'm not entirely sure if they have anyone on the roster who could be believable enough to take the rub and launch themselves from it If I can indulge in some fantasy booking, the majority of people seem to be understandably bored to death with Lesnar matches now, he has legit real world basis for his monster persona and is an absolute monster of a guy So have him come in when he wants and continue the build (this is going to happen regardless) but change the character and properly heel it up, use Heyman and push it all as Brock 'money orientated' Lesnar who doesn't care about the fans or their entertainment, with the long term focus of giving the new figurehead the biggest push since slamming Andre Take Balor as an example, if in this scenario the demon had came in as the only hope to finally beat Lesnar and did, if Lesnar had built up the actual bad guy heat, and not the cool bad guy cheers, then the push would have actually created a new era I don't see who could be the guy though, Reigns could've been perfect if handled much better, Rollins could be if he turns face, Nakamura and Joe are too old to have any long term impact, Zayn is too unbelievable, Owens NEEDS to remain a heel Whoever it would be though, would need a long term build and chase, a proper storyline and an angle that gets the fans almost universally onside Right now they have Lesnar in a very valuable position, almost like a legit Goldberg position, but they can't have Nash going over this time |
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The brutal elbow jabs on John Cena at Extreme Rules 2012 were overshadowed by the rest of the match and the promo afterwards. I don't blame WWE for revisiting it at SummerSlam 2016 and getting maximum effect this time.
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The brutal elbow jabs on John Cena at Extreme Rules 2012 were overshadowed by the rest of the match and the promo afterwards. I don't blame WWE for revisiting it at SummerSlam 2016 and getting maximum effect this time.
The second problem I have is, they know he works limited appearances. So make sure you book him correctly. Why the hell do they time after time let him do something like that at a PPV event only for him not to be booked the following night..sometimes not appearing again months later. He is a huge star yet once again all they have done with him this time round is stand in the ring with Heyman for a bit, beat up Health Slater and then squash Orton. Boring shite now to be honest |
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No one with any common sense is gonna believe that Finn Balor, whether he has his face paint on or not is gonna beat Brock Lesnar. No chance at all, right away there's no credibility.
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The main problem I have..well a couple, is the fact his matches on the whole now are just flat out boring. They built this match up as it being 15 years in the making and it could of been awesome. Much like say the matches Lesnar had with Punk and the one with Taker in HIAC. Yet to be honest it was nothing more than a gloried squash match.
The second problem I have is, they know he works limited appearances. So make sure you book him correctly. Why the hell do they time after time let him do something like that at a PPV event only for him not to be booked the following night..sometimes not appearing again months later. He is a huge star yet once again all they have done with him this time round is stand in the ring with Heyman for a bit, beat up Health Slater and then squash Orton. Boring shite now to be honest - Lesnar, like other veterans, is booked with the casuals in mind, so they'll drag out his act as long as possible. - This was a teaser to a gimmick match in the future. Again dragged out for to sell subscriptions. Quote:
No one with any common sense is gonna believe that Finn Balor, whether he has his face paint on or not is gonna beat Brock Lesnar. No chance at all, right away there's no credibility.
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The main problem I have..well a couple, is the fact his matches on the whole now are just flat out boring. They built this match up as it being 15 years in the making and it could of been awesome. Much like say the matches Lesnar had with Punk and the one with Taker in HIAC. Yet to be honest it was nothing more than a gloried squash match.
The second problem I have is, they know he works limited appearances. So make sure you book him correctly. Why the hell do they time after time let him do something like that at a PPV event only for him not to be booked the following night..sometimes not appearing again months later. He is a huge star yet once again all they have done with him this time round is stand in the ring with Heyman for a bit, beat up Health Slater and then squash Orton. Boring shite now to be honest |
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I thought I'd see how WWE was getting on. It took my partner and I all week to watch Summerslam. Incredibly long and boring PPV. The only excitement came at the end with the brutality of the Lesnar match. He's the only true star they have now.
The cut is interesting. Do people think it was a blade job? It could conceivably have been a blade job because Orton had his hands around his head just before. But my instinct looking at the wound is that it wasn't. Perhaps I'm wrong. Also you can see Heyman briefly break character just after it happens when he's still stood on the floor. And the commentators seemed genuinely surprised. Also, am I right in thinking Lesnar was 100% absent from TV this week? Also points to an unplanned incident. The question then becomes what the intended finish was to be. Notice you've gone quiet on AJ's booking too. Certainly WWE seem to have at least briefly overcome their 'don't make anyone from another company look strong' attitude - at least with him - which is a surprising and welcome development. I think on the Summerslam ending that was probably meant to be the ending but not necessarily that deep a wound or that graphic. The PPV did seem to end fairly on time so if it was an accident it was conveniently timed. Quote:
At this point Vince might keep him indestructible and hold out until he finds his next big star. Without changes to how they book and develop that isn't anybody employed at the moment. His dad, until his death, kept Andre from looking weak and Vince didn't have him pinned for until 1987. He's still only 39, so at this rate could be used on and off for another 6 years at least.
It's realistic perhaps but at the same time isn't entertaining at this point plus makes the full-time roster look like a bunch of chumps - neither of which is helpful. The argument I'd have is why should I watch the weekly show for if all that's important is to see who is fed to Lesnar next and why should I watch a Lesnar match if I know it's going to be an extended squash? I can totally understand why full-time superstars may be annoyed at the Lesnar booking but totally understand why he wouldn't want to do more than the bare minimum. WWE squarely at fault here. |
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Still far shorter than Wrestlemania mind.
Notice you've gone quiet on AJ's booking too. Certainly WWE seem to have at least briefly overcome their 'don't make anyone from another company look strong' attitude - at least with him - which is a surprising and welcome development. I think on the Summerslam ending that was probably meant to be the ending but not necessarily that deep a wound or that graphic. The PPV did seem to end fairly on time so if it was an accident it was conveniently timed. It does seem as if WWE booked themselves in a corner with the Cena/Lesnar booking at Summerslam a few years ago. It was great booking at the time but now has left them in a position where it's just not believable based on previous booking for anyone to have a competitive singles match with Lesnar and so frankly his matches have lost lustre when it's the same old formula of suplexes and F5s. It's realistic perhaps but at the same time isn't entertaining at this point plus makes the full-time roster look like a bunch of chumps - neither of which is helpful. The argument I'd have is why should I watch the weekly show for if all that's important is to see who is fed to Lesnar next and why should I watch a Lesnar match if I know it's going to be an extended squash? I can totally understand why full-time superstars may be annoyed at the Lesnar booking but totally understand why he wouldn't want to do more than the bare minimum. WWE squarely at fault here. |
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It does seem as if WWE booked themselves in a corner with the Cena/Lesnar booking at Summerslam a few years ago. It was great booking at the time but now has left them in a position where it's just not believable based on previous booking for anyone to have a competitive singles match with Lesnar and so frankly his matches have lost lustre when it's the same old formula of suplexes and F5s.
It's realistic perhaps but at the same time isn't entertaining at this point plus makes the full-time roster look like a bunch of chumps - neither of which is helpful. The argument I'd have is why should I watch the weekly show for if all that's important is to see who is fed to Lesnar next and why should I watch a Lesnar match if I know it's going to be an extended squash? I can totally understand why full-time superstars may be annoyed at the Lesnar booking but totally understand why he wouldn't want to do more than the bare minimum. WWE squarely at fault here. I have to agree but it's up to WWE where they go from here. They've given him an easy ride in his matches with Orton, Rollins, Ambrose and Harper. A competitve match with Orton could be good - the Hell in a Cell match with Undertaker was an excellent bout in between a bunch of squash matches, imo. Having Shinsuke Nakamura take him to the limit could be a star making match. Especially if Heyman became Nakamura's spokesman afterwards. In saying all this, there is little doubt in my mind we'll see another glorified squash match with Shane O' Mac taking him on at the Royal Rumble. In all honesty I feel it would be best if somebody took him to the limit and then they put him on the backburner for a year or two. |
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I have to agree but it's up to WWE where they go from here. They've given him an easy ride in his matches with Orton, Rollins, Ambrose and Harper. A competitve match with Orton could be good - the Hell in a Cell match with Undertaker was an excellent bout in between a bunch of squash matches, imo. Having Shinsuke Nakamura take him to the limit could be a star making match. Especially if Heyman became Nakamura's spokesman afterwards.
In saying all this, there is little doubt in my mind we'll see another glorified squash match with Shane O' Mac taking him on at the Royal Rumble. In all honesty I feel it would be best if somebody took him to the limit and then they put him on the backburner for a year or two. The bloom really is off the rose with him now but I think saying that putting him over against Cena two years ago the way they did was wrong is a bit absurd. After he beat the streak it made perfect sense. The thing has kinda got stuck in a rut and I think they've probably just went a couple of PPVs too far with it, combined with the image hit of the UFC drugs thing. That doesn't mean they should never have pushed him. In fact, I think there are still exciting potential matches to be had with this character (Nakamura and Joe come to mind) but I think he needs to take a loss at Mania to reboot it a bit. I want that to be a rematch with Reigns where Roman finishes the job from 31 because that's the best Brock match there's been in this run in my opinion. |
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