Oops my mistake I haven't been reading properly I'm tired that's my best excuse.

Just in case he hasn't mentioned it, Vince Russo doesn't care.

That kid was ahead of his time....Bulldog was gonna win whether he wanted to or not.

Don't follow Twitter and such but did Owens really offend Russo or something? He's really got it in for him, when he's obviously a quality talent.

"First of all, David Arquette was more over than Kevin Owens will ever be."

A lot of stupid shit in there, but this next level stupid.

That kid still cut a better promo that Davey Boy, rest his soul.

ICW is an indy that mainly runs Glasgow, Edinburgh & Newcastle.

WWE is where he's going.

You should know better than to be posting that Hollie. Won't be long now until Russo's promoter will be along here soon to write an essay on how sh*t everything is in the WWE, how Russo is the most important voice in wrestling, how the ratings have fallen and how we need to get rid of all this indie nonsense and introduce a gimmick of a transvestite feuding with Goldust over Ann Summers stuff.

I look forward to seeing him repeating the same post he's made 100+ times, exciting times.

I agree with Russo. Put Kevin Owens on all the talk shows, let him him host award shows, make him the star of their movie studios productions, have him really be the face of the company, replace John Cena with him and see what happens.


And there is a very big difference between casual wrestling fans and the IWC and he was right about all the big names that were never WWE Champion, people that really were household names but that explains what I've said for so long, many fans online are too young, they never lived through the 80s, they never lived through the 90s, they never saw what I saw and Russo saw, they never saw wrestling like that. We live in this PC society now, many people in their 20s have never known a world where we used to speak freely, now we can't even speak openly JUST INCASE we offend someone. This is what they're used to. Men and women that look like normal people, they look like the fans, they look like the people buying tickets to the show and that's what passes as a wrestler nowadays. They don't know any different. The only people that know who Kevin Owens is are the people watching the show, that's it. Sit someone down you know that doesn't watch WWE and look at their reaction. Sit a family member or friend down and let them see Kevin Owens or the New Day or Neville and you watch their reaction. Not a patch on the real wrestling stars. Not even close.


And David Arquette was a big name back then, more people would have known him over Kevin Owens today and people think by casting this up 16 years later that it's an insult just like Viagra on a Pole and Judy Bagwell on a Pole. Those are moments. Those are right up there with Vince McMahon peeing his pants, Austin driving the beer truck, homosexual Goldust, the formation of the NWO, Mankind winning the WWF Championship, The Rock vs Steve Austin storyline , those are moments that will be played forever on the WWE Network and Youtube, fans will always bring them up long after Russo is gone, long after I'm gone, that's not an insult at all. Show me one thing from Raw this year that will be remembered next month let alone be remembered 16 years from now. It can't be done.

And the IWC can kid themselves like Triple H does, they can kid themselves 50/50 booking is good, they can tell themselves that wrestling should be about the matches only, they can talk about people watching TV on their phones and laptops and no one watches TV anymore, well there was an NFL 20 years ago too, and the last time I looked their numbers got better not worse, the numbers never lie, even from January 2015 till right now there's been a huge drop in Raw viewership and it got worse from Wrestlemania last year onwards, that's no coincidence either, that's not 1 million people deciding at once to watch Raw on their phone.

Keep doing what they're doing. Keep Russo at home. Keep Bischoff at home. Keep Hogan at home. Keep Steve Austin at home. Keep Ric Flair at home. Keep Jim Ross at home. Keep Bret Hart at home. Absolutely keep them all away from the Performanc Centre, the last thing you want is them teaching young wrestlers how to wrestle or talk on a microphone. Keep them away from the creative teams. Keep doing what they're doing I say. Keep everyone that ever done anything good in the wrestling business well away and they'll do just fine. They know best. They know better as always.

Russo is an idiot, a washed up one at that. He was only over with me when he was Vic Venom....before he became too big for his boots.

Owens > Russo

Firstly, you assume these people WANT to work for WWE. But lets go through them.

Russo - Yes, please stay at home.
Hogan - As above.
Flair - If you wanna teach talent where the best bars are bring him in.
Hart - Doesn't enjoy WWE, stated several times he doesn't want to be involved.
Austin - Busy with his own TV show, podcast and WWE projects.
Ross - Busy with his own projects, podcast and working for another company.

Also the 150 times you've posted about old guys working with new talent in a negative way kinda contradicts you. Nobody has said WWE ratings aren't falling, nobody has said that nobody watches TV anymore. Nobody has said 1 million people are watching on their phones.

The problem you have is you go from one extreme for the other. All people have said in regards to ratings is that you do have to look at DVR numbers because they give a rounded view of the situation, that two major networks are now selling advertising blocks based on their Live+3/7 ratings and don't circulate Live+SD ratings. But you read that as "1 million people are watching on their phones" when not a single person says it.

Where I agree with you is that current WWE doesn't create many memories, we've got that in common.

Hollie, when you say Russo should stay at home and Hogan should stay at home and Ric Flair's only good at going to bars what you're doing is giving a personal opinion. Unfortunately many people online under a certain age have those same opinions and they don't know any better.

And i'm not talking about old guys working with the younger talent Hollie, I'm talking about some of the best wrestlers and writers and announcers the wrestling business has ever seen, they're not just a random selection of guys, those are some of THE best there's ever been. Maybe for you and people your age they're just a bunch of old guys in their 50s and 60s and they're rubbish, that's fine, do you know what it really is, it's a lack of respect and it's a lack of knowledge on wrestling. I could add more names in there like Jake The Snake Roberts and King Kong Bundy but for you and others they're just old guys, they never done nothing worthwhile, they're no use anymore.

And Trader, that is your opinion you too about Vic Venom. This is all opinion and you're entitled to an opinion. But to call someone an idiot and a washed up one at that? I could talk about WWF losing money in 1994 and how Russo went from the magazine to writing the TV but you've never even met him. This is another thing that wrestling fans seem to do online, you're all quick to give labels and insult people you've never even met in real life. It's fake fighting. Grown men and women sitting insulting people they've never even met over something that's fake. I can maybe understand it a little if it's football or boxing or cricket but even that would be if there was some kind of motivation from the other party. I could maybe understand it for politics, I personally want Donald Trump as the next President, but I can understand many not liking it and even then I don't think it's right people saying things like that about those they've never met.


But for people to sit and hurl insults and then I see Cornette and his fans talking about his sons and daughters and his wife and he should hang himself with a noose. All this for fake fighting? Are these people for real? Grown men and women that should know better. Telling people to kill themself and the wife should leave and he's and idiot and this and that. All this for fake fighting? Really? And you wonder why wrestling fans get labelled virgins and outsiders and weirdos. It's not even kids here, not even teenagers, grown men and women online. Hating someone they've never even met or spoken to. All for fake phoney wrestling. What is going on? What is going on in people's lifes, there's something went wrong. Whether it's in the family home or an issue outside at school or work, at some point in many of these fan's lives something has seriously went wrong and that's the way their mind works. There's no second thought given to having kids or getting married or having some kind of social life or even living a life. It's all down to wrestling, everything revolves around wrestling and it's not even real. It's not as if it's even a real team or anything you can support, then all the hatred comes out. It's a very bitter bitter cycle.

For some reason the WWE is catering to these people and if they want to do that then that's fine, I'm not the one paying their contracts, there's a reason they have 15 ad breaks during Raw, USA need to do it to scrap the money back every which way they can. And for those of you that are stuck in this wrestling bubble and can't see out of it and can't see it the way the rest of us do, I really wish you could see what I could see and what millions of FORMER fans could see, that the wrestling business has fallen off a cliff, trust me when you're on the outside looking in, it's like night and day, not even close, not even on the same page, it's not even pro wrestling anymore, it ruins it more than anything. Wrestling used to be fun to watch.

I know it's an opinion, where did I ever state anything different?

And you're the one who posted over and over and the age of people working with talent, not me. I've got nothing against the likes of Hart, Bischoff and especially Ross and Austin working with the company, id actively encourage it. Russo, why would I want him back? Great few years at WWE, nothing since. Hogan, racist and generally a deeply unlikeable person. Flair, about a hundred years past his prime and to get him into any kind of alcohol free state deserves a knighthood. Plenty of older, experienced guys I'd choose to work with talent over those three.

Someone gets really offended by making comments about him on and his quote 'fake wrestling'. Further Russo is a hypocrite and we dont need to know him personally to know this. Just look at this article, for someone who doesnt care he spends a lot of time ranting about it.

Lets face the facts, Russo is an irrelevant has been and isnt wanted by any major wrestling company because they know what stupid outdated stunts he would suggest. To even suggest Arquette is a better champion than Owens is beyond laughable. This has nothing to do with who can wrestle but if Russo can still not see the negative response when it happened, the constant mocking of it then he hasnt learnt a damn thing.

Id rather see Ric Flair come back and win the WWE Title than Owens holding the belt. Its such a joke having him as champion.

We're still doing the Vince Russo shite in 2106?

Russo has only ever understood or care about the television/ratings aspect of wrestling. Rather than the whole package, which includes taking into consideration marketing, live touring, PPVs, licensing etc. That's why when left to his own devices in WCW those areas didn't improve. It was impossible to write a magazine or base merchandise off when characters or faction would only last a matter of weeks. The WWE machine could handle it better by marketing it as Attitude.

Rock and Lesnar are more over than the entire roster, but they didn't make a habit of putting the title on special attractions. A celeb isn't working the tours whereas the full time performers are.

Another brilliant episode of the CWC last night, awesome end to the show with Kendrick and Bryan.

Steve Austin got him his job at Podcast One where he has a show 5 days a week. Russo has no choice but to talk about wrestling and I'm pretty sure he's not gonna say no to the Podcast One money. He gets paid by Wrestling Inc to appear on their shows, he works with WrestleZone, he works with an indie promotion near his home in Colorado which will be on TV next month in America, he also has his own website and his own VIP video service. You really expect him to give all that up?


And Hollie, I may have ranted about older wrestlers in the past but that's when they're on TV doing nothing, I do have a problem with people like Kane and the Big Show on TV doing nothing because I already seen them at their best 20 years ago. It's like if they brought Only Fools and Horses back, I've already lived through it during it's peak, when the actors were still able to play the parts, when the writing was at it's best, I've seen it. It's like going to see Queen live without Freddy Mercury, it's not the same, it's not right.

What I don't mind however, are the legends training the wrestlers and teaching them how to talk and WORK and more importantly GET OVER and make money. Wrestling is about money. Wrestlers don't win matches, belts mean nothing, a lot of these wrestlers now are marks for themselves, they only care about the matches when the matches mean nothing. No one remembers matches, I've been watching 30 years and i'd be lucky if i could count on 2 hands the number of matches I remember.


People bring up WCW and TNA but what other writer has worked for all 3 companies doing that job? Russo is the only one to have been head writer at WWF/WCW/TNA. He is the only one. Some of the most memorable moments in wrestling history have came from his head, some of the most memorable characters in wrestling have came from his head. In 50 years they will still be playing the stuff he wrote on compilation DVDs and the Network.


So you say he isn't wanted by any wrestling company vampirek, that's true but if he doesn't know what he is doing then why did Linda McMahon hire him in 1992 and he left of his own accord in October 1999? Are you trying to say that Linda McMahon and Vince McMahon are idiots? They employ someone for 7 years and that person isn't good at their job? That's a long time he was there if he really didn't know what he was doing and then he goes from there, in the space of a weekend to WCW and get's a 2 year contract from there. That money stops and a few years later in 2002 he is hired by Jeff Jarrett to write for TNA and bar a few years in the middle where he left to become a born again Christian he staid there until 2011. On all 3 jobs he was the one that left, he was never fired from any of them.


For someone that is a hasbeen and doesn't know what he's doing that's a long time working, that's a good 20 years when you add it up. 20 years earning good money and you don't know what you're doing? Really? All 3 companies made the same mistake?

I don't get offended by any comments, I give my opinion. And as Vince McMahon told Vince Russo all those years ago, if you want to be a star, you have to look like a star and most of those wrestlers do not look like stars. It's the same with all television. Look at the X Factor, look at Big Brother, regular people? Yes? But they pass the TV test, you don't get on TV unless you can look and act the part. Wrestling is no different, it's a TV show, it's fantasy, it's make believe, it's scripted and fat slobs like Kevin Steen should be nowhere near a TV camera and nor should anyones intelligence be insulted by trying to pretend that the likes of Finn Balor or Neville or Sami Zayn can beat a man the size of Roman Reigns or Rusev or Sheamus. It's as bad as having Rey Mysterio be champion, it's a joke, the only difference was Rey could appeal to the Mexican market and make money for the company that way but other than that it was totally unbelievable.

And you mention Lesnar and The Rock. Take a look at them. They look like stars. Even if they weren't famous, if they walked down the street or walked into a shop people would stare. You don't see people like that everyday and that's even if they didn't have any talent. Go back 40 years and look at every major star in American Professional Wrestling, every single one of them was larger than life, they passed the TV test, they looked like stars. People mention Dolph Ziggler and Dean Ambrose and Seth Rollins as being smaller guys that were like Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels. People forget that Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels were big men. At the time they might have been smaller than their counterparts but they were big men, big bulky men. Our versions of them today like Ambrose and Ziggler and Rollins are still just like average people, just like the fans buying the tickets. I don't think fans realise how tall and big Shawn and Bret really were, they would tower over that roster today if they were still active.


If you want to be on TV you have to look like a star and I can only imagine Vince McMahon is playing the hand he's dealt. He's no choice but to go to the indies and find talent and try and bring people through the Performance Centre. He's forced to. He's forced to have AJ Styles and Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn and Neville and Finn Balor. He's no choice. There are no other 7 footers around, there are no big bulky men, there are no larger than life characters that can walk, talk and act the part, he's no choice but to work with amateurs and I think that's the one thing many fans today don't even realise, they don't realise they're damn lucky to see many of those wrestlers in WWE because the only reason they're there is there is no one else. That's it. I don't believe Vince McMahon cares about any of them for a second, anyone with any experience in the wrestling business knows you can't put any of them on talk shows or send them to MTV or put them in movies, the public wont buy it, they would laugh but his hand is dealt. He's forced into it.

expected better of you JMTD. what would a forum be if everyone agreed?

russo is best booker in history. i dont agree with him about owens though.

What's the point in debating with somebody who is verging on brainwashed by somebody as batsh*t crazy as Vince Russo? Seriously, it's not like me or anybody else hasn't tried. The guy makes the same points over and over again. Essays of the same stuff almost day in, day out. It's tiresome to be perfectly frank. It's got nothing to do with having different views or opinions.

Russo isn't and never will be the best booker in the history of wrestling, in fact he's not even close IMO. It was okay to laugh at Russo quite a while back for saying absolutely moronic stuff, now it's just at that stage where it's not even worth that. For the record I'm not even a Russo hater, I've enjoyed plenty of stuff he's done in the past. Russo had the luxury back in the WWF days of having the likes of McMahon to be a stop gap in what ideas happened and didn't happen and even then, plenty of absolute rubbish still managed to find it's way through (among plenty of good stuff as well). Once he lost that the proof is there to see how things went with the likes of WCW and TNA. His booking in WCW was verging on horrendous at times and that's coming from somebody who's a sucker for the final year or two of WCW due to the nostalgia and memories.

Again, I love people having different opinions even when I disagree with them. It's a different story when you've got somebody coming on here day in, day out saying how terrible the WWE product is, how awful the ratings are, how Russo is the finest thing since sliced bread and all the other stuff...over...and over...and over again. You don't even need to read the posts anymore because you already know the jist of them without needing to which is why I consistently ignore them.

hazy speaks sense. its hollie and others who dont have a clue about wrestling.

but i dont ask her or them to stop posting.

poor from you jmtd. very poor

Hollie and co don't come in here and make the same lengthy post over and over in what actually feels like a wind up at this stage.

You can't have it both ways either. You're basically questioning me on hazy's opinions but then doing the same with posters you disagree with?

As always, you're welcome to argue the actual points about Russo, no need to take this further off topic.

not taking anything off topic. you say hazy posts same stuff,and i am saying others do exactly same. the fact you call his posts wind ups is actually WUMming from you.

stop bullying hazy is my only point.

It still goes on literally daily. The obsession is troubling.