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World Wrestling Entertainment Discussion 42 (Spoilers)
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dave_windows
01-09-2016
Originally Posted by Lee_Smith2:
“Russo has only ever understood or care about the television/ratings aspect of wrestling. Rather than the whole package, which includes taking into consideration marketing, live touring, PPVs, licensing etc. That's why when left to his own devices in WCW those areas didn't improve. It was impossible to write a magazine or base merchandise off when characters or faction would only last a matter of weeks. The WWE machine could handle it better by marketing it as Attitude.

Rock and Lesnar are more over than the entire roster, but they didn't make a habit of putting the title on special attractions. A celeb isn't working the tours whereas the full time performers are.”

To be honest Id preferred WCW in late 99 - late 2000 if he had never been brought in.
Lee_Smith2
01-09-2016
Originally Posted by dave_windows:
“To be honest Id preferred WCW in late 99 - late 2000 if he had never been brought in.”

Bischoff, Nash, Russo. They were all equally toxic in all honesty and the rot had already set in. Funnily enough, looking back it's not even that bad. Stale and the same old feuds, but passable. WCW Attitude in all but name was a gigantic misfire and one easy way to drive away loyal fans. You think they'd have their lesson after Jim Herd decided to ape Vince McMahon's style of Wrestling 10 years earlier.
dave_windows
01-09-2016
WWE Confidential: A tribute to "Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_CP6ZJA988
Sinister2010
01-09-2016
I guess this thread is still recovering from Hazys latest meltdown just cause someone told some home truths about his favourite person in the whole wide world.
BFGArmy
01-09-2016
Originally Posted by Lee_Smith2:
“Don't follow Twitter and such but did Owens really offend Russo or something? He's really got it in for him, when he's obviously a quality talent.”

It's Russo's gimmick - basically the anti-smark. I don't think even he beleives the garbage he says.

He truly is tedious at this point - as is his chief cheerleader on here. I find his posts tedious - and I'm had him on ignore for a year. Goodness help you all who actually read the stuff.

Originally Posted by TheTrader78:
“Owens > Russo”

In other news, water is wet.

Agreee with those that said Raw was better than SD this week. Not that SD was bad mind.

Interesting tidbit:

Quote:
“Randy Orton was pulled from last weekend’s WWE live events, partly to sell the Summerslam beating from Brock Lesnar and also due to the staples he received.

According to The Wrestling Observer Newsletter, people in the wrestling business cannot believe that WWE gave the green light to the angle with Lesnar at Summerslam, and believe that Orton now has a job for life with WWE. The reason for that is that if Orton ever develops brain issues, his family could sue WWE, using the footage and the fact that WWE ordered Orton to lay there and get busted open by Lesnar.

The WON notes that wrestlers from past eras did not have a smoking gun with their cases because they did not know what we do now in regards to concussions. The wrestlers, and WWE (they have donated to the Concussion Legacy Foundation) both know more than ever in regards to concussions and post concussion issues, and still ordered the angle.”

ags_rule
01-09-2016
Quote:
“According to The Wrestling Observer Newsletter, people in the wrestling business cannot believe that WWE gave the green light to the angle with Lesnar at Summerslam, and believe that Orton now has a job for life with WWE. The reason for that is that if Orton ever develops brain issues, his family could sue WWE, using the footage and the fact that WWE ordered Orton to lay there and get busted open by Lesnar.

The WON notes that wrestlers from past eras did not have a smoking gun with their cases because they did not know what we do now in regards to concussions. The wrestlers, and WWE (they have donated to the Concussion Legacy Foundation) both know more than ever in regards to concussions and post concussion issues, and still ordered the angle.”

I've been making this point since WWE started relaxing the blood rule but still outlawed blading.

It makes absolutely no sense. Yes, blading can go wrong (Eddie Guerrero anyone?), but the risks are far lower than actually having your head kicked in by a UFC fighter, or your skull cracked against a ring-post to try and draw blood. It's insanity. If WWE are happy enough to allow blood on occasion, then for the safety of the performers they need to let them draw it the easy way.
FMKK
01-09-2016
Originally Posted by ags_rule:
“I've been making this point since WWE started relaxing the blood rule but still outlawed blading.

It makes absolutely no sense. Yes, blading can go wrong (Eddie Guerrero anyone?), but the risks are far lower than actually having your head kicked in by a UFC fighter, or your skull cracked against a ring-post to try and draw blood. It's insanity. If WWE are happy enough to allow blood on occasion, then for the safety of the performers they need to let them draw it the easy way.”

Yeah, the whole point of blading in the first place was so that they could bleed without getting their heads bashed in. So stupid.
dave_windows
01-09-2016
Originally Posted by FMKK:
“Yeah, the whole point of blading in the first place was so that they could bleed without getting their heads bashed in. So stupid.”

Im sure alot of fans wouldnt have put up with that shit. Orton shouldnt have just layed there it made the match look stupid.
FMKK
01-09-2016
Haven't watched a single minute of this CWC but hearing rave reviews about Brian Kendrick. Is there much left? Could anyone who has been watching recommend the best four or five matches to catch?
dave_windows
01-09-2016
Originally Posted by Lee_Smith2:
“Bischoff, Nash, Russo. They were all equally toxic in all honesty and the rot had already set in. Funnily enough, looking back it's not even that bad. Stale and the same old feuds, but passable. WCW Attitude in all but name was a gigantic misfire and one easy way to drive away loyal fans. You think they'd have their lesson after Jim Herd decided to ape Vince McMahon's style of Wrestling 10 years earlier.”

Im sure Eric Bischoff or Kevin Nash wouldnt have done some shitty new Blood/Natural Born Thrillers group that seriously sucked balls. Id rather they had stuck with what worked the previous 3 years.

WCW in 2000 is probably the only year from WCW I refuse to watch because I hated everything about that year especially Jeff Jarretty being shoved down everyone.

Alough I take your point on Nash because they royally screwed up Goldberg's streak and the money they could have made on the rematch with that dumb arrest angle.

As for Bischoff they should have let him left when he wanted to because he was happy to leave but they wanted him back.
Lee_Smith2
01-09-2016
Originally Posted by dave_windows:
“Im sure Eric Bischoff or Kevin Nash wouldnt have done some shitty new Blood/Natural Born Thrillers group that seriously sucked balls. Id rather they had stuck with what worked the previous 3 years.

WCW in 2000 is probably the only year from WCW I refuse to watch because I hated everything about that year especially Jeff Jarretty being shoved down everyone.

Alough I take your point on Nash because they royally screwed up Goldberg's streak and the money they could have made on the rematch with that dumb arrest angle.

As for Bischoff they should have let him left when he wanted to because he was happy to leave but they wanted him back.”

Bischoff was looking exhausted by early 1999 and it soon showed in the television product. I think Nash got onto what was left of the booking committee by that point too. I do think the downfall shows how good the Bisch was for WCW and the industry for a while. WCW for about two years placed itself into the critically all time best of pro wrestling.

I do agree it was a shame the suit who replaced Bischoff brought in Russo because if nothing else the promotion lost its identity completely. Even in 1991 and 1995 it still felt enough like Mid Atlantic. It was a completely different show(s) by 2000. There was literally no wrestling on Nitro for a while - it was all brawling and street fighting.
vampirek
01-09-2016
Wait did I see in that HBK wasnt a small guy and would be big compared to wrestlers now? There is a strong hint of 'back in my day' about that. Luckily I was around when HBK was the number one guy of WWF and he was no way shape or form 'bigger' than what the likes of Ziggler or AJ are now.

Also how is it not realistic seeing the likes of Reigns losing to these yet there is nothing wrong with HBK winning against the likes of Vader or Bret beating Yokozuna for the title? Its rose tinted glasses. I saw the predictable Rey being champion being brought up but look who he beat for his two reigns, Angle, Orton and The Miz. They were hardily guys out of his league.

As for were Linda/Vince wrong hiring him for that long? No, there is no question Russo played a huge part in the Attitude Era, heck he created DX but he is a hasbeen and since leaving WWF has achieved nothing whereas the company that he 'doesnt care about' has grown and constantly evolving. One could even argue WWF got even better after Russo left for WWF, 2000/early 2001 was the company at its peak. Yes the product has not be the greatest in recent times often struggling on creative (and ironically restricting the wrestlers to use their own) but I dont see any other company challenging them and that is still an achievement to the day.
Lee_Smith2
01-09-2016
The only thing I'd disagree with there vampirek is ' Russo created DX'. I cannot imagine the cocky, coke addled HBK of the mid to late 90's sitting down and listening to a magazine writer. By all accounts he was running roughshod over McMahon. The original DX was basically a brought to live television extension of that rebellious, rock star lifestyle.
PandaPawPaw
02-09-2016
Kenny 'The Cleaner' Omeeeeeeeeegggggggggaaaaaaaaaa!

AceMcCloud
02-09-2016
Watching the CWC and I'm getting thoroughly sick of hearing Mauro screaming Topè Suicida every 10 minutes

Not sure if I'm more annoyed about the constant use of them or just Mauro using the exact same delivery every time

Also, the increasing use of the word lariat is starting to get annoying, lunatic lariat makes me cring every time, it's a bad enough move on its own without a stupid name adding to it
dave_windows
02-09-2016
Im sure that this will annoy and piss off alot of people on here especially BooRichie4Eva but Roman Reigns made number one in the Pro Wrestling Illustrated Top 500 Wrestlers of 2016!

https://twitter.com/WWERomanReigns/s...rc=twsrc%5Etfw
Hollie_Louise
02-09-2016
Back to bullying accusations ... how boring and unoriginal. So 2015.
PandaPawPaw
02-09-2016
Kenny Omega liked my drawing so that's me happy.

Also I'm really enjoying the UUDD UFC tournament. Some really close matches. Great fun!
dave_windows
02-09-2016
Originally Posted by Hollie_Louise:
“Back to bullying accusations ... how boring and unoriginal. So 2015.”

Not as unoriginal as Richie4eva's lame posts every week saying Boooo Reigns or Boooooo Cena.

That shit is so boring it happened what a few years ago. I dont mind the odd post but the fact he does it every bloody week quite frankly pisses me off. I like most of his posts but on a monday and Tuesday or friday does the same damn thing and its annoying if not worse than hazy's long tedious posts!
Sinister2010
02-09-2016
Originally Posted by dave_windows:
“Not as unoriginal as Richie4eva's lame posts every week saying Boooo Reigns or Boooooo Cena.

That shit is so boring it happened what a few years ago. I dont mind the odd post but the fact he does it every bloody week quite frankly pisses me off. I like most of his posts but on a monday and Tuesday or friday does the same damn thing and its annoying if not worse than hazy's long tedious posts!”

At least Richie is trying to enjoy the show unlike Hazy who just constantly bitches about it just like his hero. But if you think Hazy is the life and soul of the party well then that's your opinion but I think others might disagree.
Harris_07
02-09-2016
I have said multiple times that I love Ritchie's BOOOO posts. Ritchie, your effort and determination is commendable.

Also, you stay up to watch Raw and SD almost every night. That's incredible. And insane!
DanielF
02-09-2016
At least Richie's posts are short, to the point and understanding of context!
dave_windows
02-09-2016
Originally Posted by Sinister2010:
“At least Richie is trying to enjoy the show unlike Hazy who just constantly bitches about it just like his hero. But if you think Hazy is the life and soul of the party well then that's your opinion but I think others might disagree.”

No I dont think hes the soul of the party. Quite the opposite.
FMKK
02-09-2016
Originally Posted by dave_windows:
“Not as unoriginal as Richie4eva's lame posts every week saying Boooo Reigns or Boooooo Cena.

That shit is so boring it happened what a few years ago. I dont mind the odd post but the fact he does it every bloody week quite frankly pisses me off. I like most of his posts but on a monday and Tuesday or friday does the same damn thing and its annoying if not worse than hazy's long tedious posts!”

Your tedious faux outrage is more boring than Richie's harmless posts by a million miles.
dave_windows
02-09-2016
Originally Posted by FMKK:
“Your tedious faux outrage is more boring than Richie's harmless posts by a million miles.”

Well at least Im not saying lame boring shit like you.
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