Because of the time differences I am finding the older I get the harder it is to stay up to watch events and shows live, so I just tend to watch them on the network, so I wonder how many other people are doing similar things, perhaps that is why the ratings are getting lower, as the need to watch live is just not there anymore, when you can just watch it at your leisure, whenever you want.
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Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“Because of the time differences I am finding the older I get the harder it is to stay up to watch events and shows live, so I just tend to watch them on the network, so I wonder how many other people are doing similar things, perhaps that is why the ratings are getting lower, as the need to watch live is just not there anymore, when you can just watch it at your leisure, whenever you want.”
“Because of the time differences I am finding the older I get the harder it is to stay up to watch events and shows live, so I just tend to watch them on the network, so I wonder how many other people are doing similar things, perhaps that is why the ratings are getting lower, as the need to watch live is just not there anymore, when you can just watch it at your leisure, whenever you want.”
I do the same. That's why I don't pay much attention to the ratings. People can always watch it at a later date. The sales and revenue would be a better measure of the product. (Don't pay much attention to that either, I like to focus on the content.)
Originally Posted by Harris_07:
“I do the same. That's why I don't pay much attention to the ratings. People can always watch it at a later date. The sales and revenue would be a better measure of the product. (Don't pay much attention to that either, I like to focus on the content.)”
“I do the same. That's why I don't pay much attention to the ratings. People can always watch it at a later date. The sales and revenue would be a better measure of the product. (Don't pay much attention to that either, I like to focus on the content.)”
I think in this day and age with so much stuff available at the push of a button, using ratings as a source of if a show is doing well or not is just such an outdated method.
Fair enough in the 80's and 90's, when if you missed and programme, then you really missed it, whereas now, if you don't watch a programme as it goes out, no problem, you can just catch up with it at your leisure, when you want to watch it
So no longer are you beholden to the schedulers demands.
Which is why I just don't get why people care at all about what rating a show does, who cares if it does a 1.2, a 0.0, or 10.0, as that is no longer an important part of if a show is doing well or not.
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“I think in this day and age with so much stuff available at the push of a button, using ratings as a source of if a show is doing well or not is just such an outdated method.
Fair enough in the 80's and 90's, when if you missed and programme, then you really missed it, whereas now, if you don't watch a programme as it goes out, no problem, you can just catch up with it at your leisure, when you want to watch it
So no longer are you beholden to the schedulers demands.
Which is why I just don't get why people care at all about what rating a show does, who cares if it does a 1.2, a 0.0, or 10.0, as that is no longer an important part of if a show is doing well or not.”
“I think in this day and age with so much stuff available at the push of a button, using ratings as a source of if a show is doing well or not is just such an outdated method.
Fair enough in the 80's and 90's, when if you missed and programme, then you really missed it, whereas now, if you don't watch a programme as it goes out, no problem, you can just catch up with it at your leisure, when you want to watch it
So no longer are you beholden to the schedulers demands.
Which is why I just don't get why people care at all about what rating a show does, who cares if it does a 1.2, a 0.0, or 10.0, as that is no longer an important part of if a show is doing well or not.”
I agree. Although it's unquantifiable (unless you have a decibel meter - even then, other factors come into play), the crowd reaction is a good way to see if the show's being well received. The other way would be to focus on money.
The ratings miss out a (huge?) portion of people who have better things to do/watch and catch up on WWE at their own convienience. Doesn't mean they don't watch it. But if you want to measure loyal WWE fans, then yes, ratings are a good method of monitoring WWE's popularity.
It doesn't give a complete picture on who is watching the show, obviously lots of people do just Youtube the highlights or they watch it days later and fast forward the stuff they don't like.
The reason ratings matter is because it shows the number of people on that night that are watching the show, the people that wont take a chance on missing it, it basically tells you who you're real audience, that can't miss it audience is. It also matters to TV channels showing it because when they charge advertisers money to advertise on the show, they charge based on the ratings. So a 1.2 might not matter to a fan, it shouldn't, nor will it really matter to WWE if they're picking those viewers up elsewhere but it will matter to the USA Network who are paying a lot of money for Raw and Smackdown because the lower those ratings go, the less money they can charge advertisers and 18 - 49 is the desired demographic, those numbers matter.
For some reason wrestling gets a pass. For some reason fans seem to think wrestling is immune from being cancelled on TV. I think in 2019 when the WWE renogiates their USA contract, I really think that will be the end of WWE on prime time TV in America and certainly not for $100 million a year. And by that time Raw will be over 25 years on TV, it's not a bad run for prime time Monday nights. I think they will try and put it on at an earlier time slot and pay a lot less money and at that point WWE might just put the whole lot on the Network, no more WWE on TV in America, if you want to watch it you need to pay $10 a month.
The reason ratings matter is because it shows the number of people on that night that are watching the show, the people that wont take a chance on missing it, it basically tells you who you're real audience, that can't miss it audience is. It also matters to TV channels showing it because when they charge advertisers money to advertise on the show, they charge based on the ratings. So a 1.2 might not matter to a fan, it shouldn't, nor will it really matter to WWE if they're picking those viewers up elsewhere but it will matter to the USA Network who are paying a lot of money for Raw and Smackdown because the lower those ratings go, the less money they can charge advertisers and 18 - 49 is the desired demographic, those numbers matter.
For some reason wrestling gets a pass. For some reason fans seem to think wrestling is immune from being cancelled on TV. I think in 2019 when the WWE renogiates their USA contract, I really think that will be the end of WWE on prime time TV in America and certainly not for $100 million a year. And by that time Raw will be over 25 years on TV, it's not a bad run for prime time Monday nights. I think they will try and put it on at an earlier time slot and pay a lot less money and at that point WWE might just put the whole lot on the Network, no more WWE on TV in America, if you want to watch it you need to pay $10 a month.
As long as people are paying for the network and watching shows on there, then that is a far better way of judging how popular shows are then by looking at the ratings of shows over night or whenever they come out, as so many people have got used to watching shows at the own convenience, that ratings just do not matter, and are simply not as important as they once were.
For example, if I were to watch a recording of Smackdown that I had saved from last weeks show today, would that count towards the rating of that show? (I doubt it), but I would be still be watching it, hence why looking at ratings is just such a poor way of judging if a show is doing well or not.
I get why it was an important thing during the whole WCW v WWF war in the 90's, but now it is honestly not important at all, the only people that take notice of them tend to be people stuck way back in the past, thinking that it still is that sort of era of must watch, as it happens tv.
We are not in that era anymore, we are in the watch when you like era, if someone wants to watch a Raw on a Wednesday at 3pm, then they can, same for say a Smackdown on a Saturday a 10am, there really is not set schedule anymore for people to have to watch a show when the tv companies say so, and it is brilliant, and much more easy to watch a show on your own time, when you personally have the time to watch it.
For example, if I were to watch a recording of Smackdown that I had saved from last weeks show today, would that count towards the rating of that show? (I doubt it), but I would be still be watching it, hence why looking at ratings is just such a poor way of judging if a show is doing well or not.
I get why it was an important thing during the whole WCW v WWF war in the 90's, but now it is honestly not important at all, the only people that take notice of them tend to be people stuck way back in the past, thinking that it still is that sort of era of must watch, as it happens tv.
We are not in that era anymore, we are in the watch when you like era, if someone wants to watch a Raw on a Wednesday at 3pm, then they can, same for say a Smackdown on a Saturday a 10am, there really is not set schedule anymore for people to have to watch a show when the tv companies say so, and it is brilliant, and much more easy to watch a show on your own time, when you personally have the time to watch it.
Watching the CWC, it got me thinking, could we see Neville in this division when it comes to Raw?
As I think he would suit it perfectly.
As I think he would suit it perfectly.
I really enjoyed the finals of the CWC!
Gran Metalik Vs Saber Jr was good and solid but I never warmed to Saber and glad Metalik won as he's been amazing in the whole tournament.
Also I didn't get why Metalik got a translator after his match seeing as she didn't get to translate anything!
T.J Perkins Vs Ibushi was just WOW! Superb match and gob smacked Ibushi lost but it makes sense as he didn't want to sign with the WWE and the fact that later HHH revealed that there will be an actual RAW CW title. I think Perkins was the right person to beat Ibushi as he's been really solid and has become a personal fave.
Tag match was OK but got fed up of the constant thigh slapping.
Finals: Good match but I think the Ibushi/Perkins match took it out of me! Glad Perkins won as I enjoyed all his matches throughout the whole of CWC.
Did they get that CW title out of a cereal box?
Also I'm not sure why but Perkins reminds me of Ralph Macchio.
Gran Metalik Vs Saber Jr was good and solid but I never warmed to Saber and glad Metalik won as he's been amazing in the whole tournament.
Also I didn't get why Metalik got a translator after his match seeing as she didn't get to translate anything!
T.J Perkins Vs Ibushi was just WOW! Superb match and gob smacked Ibushi lost but it makes sense as he didn't want to sign with the WWE and the fact that later HHH revealed that there will be an actual RAW CW title. I think Perkins was the right person to beat Ibushi as he's been really solid and has become a personal fave.
Tag match was OK but got fed up of the constant thigh slapping.
Finals: Good match but I think the Ibushi/Perkins match took it out of me! Glad Perkins won as I enjoyed all his matches throughout the whole of CWC.
Did they get that CW title out of a cereal box?
Also I'm not sure why but Perkins reminds me of Ralph Macchio.
Ok, so we're pretending that the ratings aren't abysmal?
I still haven't watched any CWC. What matches would you all recommend?
I still haven't watched any CWC. What matches would you all recommend?
Ratings don't matter as much as in the past. The network, live events, licensing all remain strong. Overall views of video uploads have doubled. Definitely leaves them in a difficult situation as USA renewed the show and paid more on the basis of a 3.75 million at their lowest. Two years later and its 1 million viewers below that. Even DVR figures have fallen a bit.
They've got better sponsors, which means they might take more off less. Like NASCAR does, for example. But it could also cost them a lot in 3 years.
They've got better sponsors, which means they might take more off less. Like NASCAR does, for example. But it could also cost them a lot in 3 years.
RAW General Manager Mick Foley wrote on Facebook that Daniel Bryan “messed with the wrong guy” after raiding RAW and using James Ellsworth on SmackDown this past Tuesday night.
AN OPEN LETTER TO DANIEL BRYAN
Dear Daniel,
I am a James Ellsworth guy. But James Ellsworth is a #Raw guy – and now YOU have messed with the wrong guy! By raiding Monday Night Raw for Superstars like James Ellsworth, you are setting a dangerous precedent, my friend. More seriously, you risk confusing the #WWEUniverse, especially the little Ellsters out there, who have been waiting for me to sign #EllmoreVsStrohman2 for an upcoming #Raw PPV. Shame on you, Daniel…shame on you!
There is, however a way out of this situation. How about if you and Mauro Ranallo come to Raw on Monday to call our #Cruiserweight matches on Raw? We’ll call it even and hope the Little Ellsters out there understand.
Sincerely,
Mick Foley
AN OPEN LETTER TO DANIEL BRYAN
Dear Daniel,
I am a James Ellsworth guy. But James Ellsworth is a #Raw guy – and now YOU have messed with the wrong guy! By raiding Monday Night Raw for Superstars like James Ellsworth, you are setting a dangerous precedent, my friend. More seriously, you risk confusing the #WWEUniverse, especially the little Ellsters out there, who have been waiting for me to sign #EllmoreVsStrohman2 for an upcoming #Raw PPV. Shame on you, Daniel…shame on you!
There is, however a way out of this situation. How about if you and Mauro Ranallo come to Raw on Monday to call our #Cruiserweight matches on Raw? We’ll call it even and hope the Little Ellsters out there understand.
Sincerely,
Mick Foley
Originally Posted by Lee_Smith2:
“Ratings don't matter as much as in the past. The network, live events, licensing all remain strong. Overall views of video uploads have doubled. Definitely leaves them in a difficult situation as USA renewed the show and paid more on the basis of a 3.75 million at their lowest. Two years later and its 1 million viewers below that. Even DVR figures have fallen a bit.
They've got better sponsors, which means they might take more off less. Like NASCAR does, for example. But it could also cost them a lot in 3 years.”
“Ratings don't matter as much as in the past. The network, live events, licensing all remain strong. Overall views of video uploads have doubled. Definitely leaves them in a difficult situation as USA renewed the show and paid more on the basis of a 3.75 million at their lowest. Two years later and its 1 million viewers below that. Even DVR figures have fallen a bit.
They've got better sponsors, which means they might take more off less. Like NASCAR does, for example. But it could also cost them a lot in 3 years.”
I am a bit puzzled, how does anyone know about the DVR figures?
I am a bit late with this but only just seen it, the start of The Miz/Ziggler fight at Backlash was the exact same way the CM Punk UFC fight started.
Vince/Triple H really need to grow the **** up. No matter if Punk deserved a fight or not, least he had the balls to do it. Both Vince and Hunter would not even get past the drug testing part
Vince/Triple H really need to grow the **** up. No matter if Punk deserved a fight or not, least he had the balls to do it. Both Vince and Hunter would not even get past the drug testing part
Originally Posted by stu64:
“I am a bit late with this but only just seen it, the start of The Miz/Ziggler fight at Backlash was the exact same way the CM Punk UFC fight started.
Vince/Triple H really need to grow the **** up. No matter if Punk deserved a fight or not, least he had the balls to do it. Both Vince and Hunter would not even get past the drug testing part”
“I am a bit late with this but only just seen it, the start of The Miz/Ziggler fight at Backlash was the exact same way the CM Punk UFC fight started.
Vince/Triple H really need to grow the **** up. No matter if Punk deserved a fight or not, least he had the balls to do it. Both Vince and Hunter would not even get past the drug testing part”
Here's the bit in the match.
I didn't notice it at the time but only realised after I saw it mentioned elsewhere. Pretty sad of them to do that but hey ho it is the WWE after all so it's no surprise.
DVR figures are released later in the week however the reason these numbers do not make a big difference is because TV channels pay for their TV shows and they charge advertisers to advertise during the ad breaks. The reason the LIVE number means so much and is the number everyone talks about is because the people watching the show LIVE cannot fast forward through the ads.
Yes you can watch last week's Smackdown a week later if you wanted but the people during the advert breaks wont care if you watched a week later or not because they know you're gonna fast forward through the adverts. The only number they and the TV channels care about is the LIVE number, the more people sitting down watching it LIVE means more people that CAN'T FAST FORWARD THROUGH THE ADVERTS which means the TV channels can charge more money, the more money they charge means they can cover the cost of what their paying for that particular show.
It's not happened to WWE yet but in some cases, infact it happens every year, the minute that a TV show isn't recouping the money from adverts that the channel has spent on it, it's cancelled. It doesn't matter if theres a billion people watching it on DVR, if the live number isn't good and they can't make money from advertisers, it's cancelled, there's been many TV shows, TV shows with good followings, good fanbases cancelled. Even the makers of Breaking Bad ended it at 5 seasons, not because they wanted to but because AMC wasn't paying them good money for it so rather than risk AMC cancelling it through another season, they decided to finish the show on their own terms and that's for many people one of the best shows ever on TV. Did millions watch it? Yes. Was it critically acclaimed? Yes. Was it making lots of money? Clearly not.
Yes you can watch last week's Smackdown a week later if you wanted but the people during the advert breaks wont care if you watched a week later or not because they know you're gonna fast forward through the adverts. The only number they and the TV channels care about is the LIVE number, the more people sitting down watching it LIVE means more people that CAN'T FAST FORWARD THROUGH THE ADVERTS which means the TV channels can charge more money, the more money they charge means they can cover the cost of what their paying for that particular show.
It's not happened to WWE yet but in some cases, infact it happens every year, the minute that a TV show isn't recouping the money from adverts that the channel has spent on it, it's cancelled. It doesn't matter if theres a billion people watching it on DVR, if the live number isn't good and they can't make money from advertisers, it's cancelled, there's been many TV shows, TV shows with good followings, good fanbases cancelled. Even the makers of Breaking Bad ended it at 5 seasons, not because they wanted to but because AMC wasn't paying them good money for it so rather than risk AMC cancelling it through another season, they decided to finish the show on their own terms and that's for many people one of the best shows ever on TV. Did millions watch it? Yes. Was it critically acclaimed? Yes. Was it making lots of money? Clearly not.
Originally Posted by PandaPawPaw:
“Here's the bit in the match.
I didn't notice it at the time but only realised after I saw it mentioned elsewhere. Pretty sad of them to do that but hey ho it is the WWE after all so it's no surprise.”
“Here's the bit in the match.
I didn't notice it at the time but only realised after I saw it mentioned elsewhere. Pretty sad of them to do that but hey ho it is the WWE after all so it's no surprise.”
Just bugs me as there was really no need at all. Even if you agree or disagree with the whole Punk fight stuff, he pretty much got respected from all the UFC guys in the end for doing it, yet the wrestling business does this to him.
Yet Brock, who is now hated by most UFC fighters and fans, is welcomed back with open arms and given yet another main event squash match. Oh Vince...
Originally Posted by stu64:
“Just bugs me as there was really no need at all. Even if you agree or disagree with the whole Punk fight stuff, he pretty much got respected from all the UFC guys in the end for doing it, yet the wrestling business does this to him.
Yet Brock, who is now hated by most UFC fighters and fans, is welcomed back with open arms and given yet another main event squash match. Oh Vince...”
“Just bugs me as there was really no need at all. Even if you agree or disagree with the whole Punk fight stuff, he pretty much got respected from all the UFC guys in the end for doing it, yet the wrestling business does this to him.
Yet Brock, who is now hated by most UFC fighters and fans, is welcomed back with open arms and given yet another main event squash match. Oh Vince...”
Yeah but I guess it all comes down to money sadly in the case of Lesnar.
I've really gone off Lesnar. I wouldn't be bothered if he never came back.
Originally Posted by hazydayz:
“DVR figures are released later in the week however the reason these numbers do not make a big difference is because TV channels pay for their TV shows and they charge advertisers to advertise during the ad breaks. The reason the LIVE number means so much and is the number everyone talks about is because the people watching the show LIVE cannot fast forward through the ads.
Yes you can watch last week's Smackdown a week later if you wanted but the people during the advert breaks wont care if you watched a week later or not because they know you're gonna fast forward through the adverts. The only number they and the TV channels care about is the LIVE number, the more people sitting down watching it LIVE means more people that CAN'T FAST FORWARD THROUGH THE ADVERTS which means the TV channels can charge more money, the more money they charge means they can cover the cost of what their paying for that particular show.
It's not happened to WWE yet but in some cases, infact it happens every year, the minute that a TV show isn't recouping the money from adverts that the channel has spent on it, it's cancelled. It doesn't matter if theres a billion people watching it on DVR, if the live number isn't good and they can't make money from advertisers, it's cancelled, there's been many TV shows, TV shows with good followings, good fanbases cancelled. Even the makers of Breaking Bad ended it at 5 seasons, not because they wanted to but because AMC wasn't paying them good money for it so rather than risk AMC cancelling it through another season, they decided to finish the show on their own terms and that's for many people one of the best shows ever on TV. Did millions watch it? Yes. Was it critically acclaimed? Yes. Was it making lots of money? Clearly not.”
“DVR figures are released later in the week however the reason these numbers do not make a big difference is because TV channels pay for their TV shows and they charge advertisers to advertise during the ad breaks. The reason the LIVE number means so much and is the number everyone talks about is because the people watching the show LIVE cannot fast forward through the ads.
Yes you can watch last week's Smackdown a week later if you wanted but the people during the advert breaks wont care if you watched a week later or not because they know you're gonna fast forward through the adverts. The only number they and the TV channels care about is the LIVE number, the more people sitting down watching it LIVE means more people that CAN'T FAST FORWARD THROUGH THE ADVERTS which means the TV channels can charge more money, the more money they charge means they can cover the cost of what their paying for that particular show.
It's not happened to WWE yet but in some cases, infact it happens every year, the minute that a TV show isn't recouping the money from adverts that the channel has spent on it, it's cancelled. It doesn't matter if theres a billion people watching it on DVR, if the live number isn't good and they can't make money from advertisers, it's cancelled, there's been many TV shows, TV shows with good followings, good fanbases cancelled. Even the makers of Breaking Bad ended it at 5 seasons, not because they wanted to but because AMC wasn't paying them good money for it so rather than risk AMC cancelling it through another season, they decided to finish the show on their own terms and that's for many people one of the best shows ever on TV. Did millions watch it? Yes. Was it critically acclaimed? Yes. Was it making lots of money? Clearly not.”
Hang on a minute, when I do watch a show Live, I do fast forward through the adverts, (I press pause on the adverts, wait about five minutes, then times 30 to get back to live action), so to suggest that you can't fast forward through the adverts when watching say a Raw or a Smackdown live is just wrong.
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“Hang on a minute, when I do watch a show Live, I do fast forward through the adverts, (I press pause on the adverts, wait about five minutes, then times 30 to get back to live action), so to suggest that you can't fast forward through the adverts when watching say a Raw or a Smackdown live is just wrong.”
“Hang on a minute, when I do watch a show Live, I do fast forward through the adverts, (I press pause on the adverts, wait about five minutes, then times 30 to get back to live action), so to suggest that you can't fast forward through the adverts when watching say a Raw or a Smackdown live is just wrong.”
Then from a ratings perspective you're watching delayed, not live. Even if you time it to perfection.
Originally Posted by Harris_07:
“RAW General Manager Mick Foley wrote on Facebook that Daniel Bryan “messed with the wrong guy” after raiding RAW and using James Ellsworth on SmackDown this past Tuesday night.
AN OPEN LETTER TO DANIEL BRYAN
Dear Daniel,
I am a James Ellsworth guy. But James Ellsworth is a #Raw guy – and now YOU have messed with the wrong guy! By raiding Monday Night Raw for Superstars like James Ellsworth, you are setting a dangerous precedent, my friend. More seriously, you risk confusing the #WWEUniverse, especially the little Ellsters out there, who have been waiting for me to sign #EllmoreVsStrohman2 for an upcoming #Raw PPV. Shame on you, Daniel…shame on you!
There is, however a way out of this situation. How about if you and Mauro Ranallo come to Raw on Monday to call our #Cruiserweight matches on Raw? We’ll call it even and hope the Little Ellsters out there understand.
Sincerely,
Mick Foley”
“RAW General Manager Mick Foley wrote on Facebook that Daniel Bryan “messed with the wrong guy” after raiding RAW and using James Ellsworth on SmackDown this past Tuesday night.
AN OPEN LETTER TO DANIEL BRYAN
Dear Daniel,
I am a James Ellsworth guy. But James Ellsworth is a #Raw guy – and now YOU have messed with the wrong guy! By raiding Monday Night Raw for Superstars like James Ellsworth, you are setting a dangerous precedent, my friend. More seriously, you risk confusing the #WWEUniverse, especially the little Ellsters out there, who have been waiting for me to sign #EllmoreVsStrohman2 for an upcoming #Raw PPV. Shame on you, Daniel…shame on you!
There is, however a way out of this situation. How about if you and Mauro Ranallo come to Raw on Monday to call our #Cruiserweight matches on Raw? We’ll call it even and hope the Little Ellsters out there understand.
Sincerely,
Mick Foley”
Mick its a storyline not real and seriously you calling a enhancement jobber a Raw guy?
Are the Authors of Pain the most overratted tag team in the history of NXT?
I really do not get what the point is in them. They aint the Legion of Doom.
I really do not get what the point is in them. They aint the Legion of Doom.
Originally Posted by DanielF:
“Then from a ratings perspective you're watching delayed, not live. Even if you time it to perfection.”
“Then from a ratings perspective you're watching delayed, not live. Even if you time it to perfection.”
But I am watching live when it comes to the action, it is live, all I am doing is skipping the adverts.
The Harts still posting comments about Seth
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“To the hardcore, die-hard, internet wrestling community I must ask when is enough, enough. I know my brother Bret has taken the lead in this topic, but I truly do not feel this is getting enough attention. Seth Rollins is an absolute danger to the business. Reports are coming out that a wrestling student has died while training at Seth Rollins school in Illinois. I have trained students for over 40 years and my family has trained some of the most well-known superstars of all time for more than 70 years and never has a student even been seriously injured let alone died. This is after numerous reports of his unsafe work in the ring. In the last year Rollins has critically injured in the ring John Cena, Sting, Finn Balor and even himself. Yet the hardcore audience stand by him as some sort of folk hero. Why? This "performer" has limited charisma, limited personality and absolutely minimal psychology. Does he do fantastic highspots? Yes. And is he a magnificent crossfit athlete? Absolutely. But he is an absolutely horrible professional wrestler. The goal in professional wrestling is to make it look real without hurting anyone. But Rollins manages to do the opposite as he makes it look fake while critically injuring talented wrestlers. Take this buckle bomb which is the cause of many of these injuries. A logical, rationale human being would know that it would be physically impossible to "shoot" that move on anyone, let alone anyone 3 times the size of him, which most professional wrestlers would be. Perhaps he should follow his buddy CM Punk into the UFC to try shooting that move onto a Mickey Gall and see what happens. Their is zero logic into his moveset, just high spots for the sake of high spots and it is injuring people, ending careers and now killing people. I understand that little is known about this death as it is in the early stages. Likely it was more cardiovascularly related. But there in lies another issue. Rollins is a fantastic crossfit athlete that trained for years to have the conditioning that he does. He can't logically expect everyone off the street to have that same conditioning right away and logically would need to implement a more graduated conditioning system. But beyond that why would anyone want to train under someone who has proven to be so reckless? With as many proven qualified wrestling schools and trainers in the world like Lance Storm, Santino Marella, Team 3D, Dory Funk, Tom Prichard or Booker T, why would you waste your money and your health training under someone who has a higher risk of injuring you than advancing your career. And finally to Seth Rollins, if you read this. Take consideration of the people you are working with and learn to work safely or give up and find another profession.”
“To the hardcore, die-hard, internet wrestling community I must ask when is enough, enough. I know my brother Bret has taken the lead in this topic, but I truly do not feel this is getting enough attention. Seth Rollins is an absolute danger to the business. Reports are coming out that a wrestling student has died while training at Seth Rollins school in Illinois. I have trained students for over 40 years and my family has trained some of the most well-known superstars of all time for more than 70 years and never has a student even been seriously injured let alone died. This is after numerous reports of his unsafe work in the ring. In the last year Rollins has critically injured in the ring John Cena, Sting, Finn Balor and even himself. Yet the hardcore audience stand by him as some sort of folk hero. Why? This "performer" has limited charisma, limited personality and absolutely minimal psychology. Does he do fantastic highspots? Yes. And is he a magnificent crossfit athlete? Absolutely. But he is an absolutely horrible professional wrestler. The goal in professional wrestling is to make it look real without hurting anyone. But Rollins manages to do the opposite as he makes it look fake while critically injuring talented wrestlers. Take this buckle bomb which is the cause of many of these injuries. A logical, rationale human being would know that it would be physically impossible to "shoot" that move on anyone, let alone anyone 3 times the size of him, which most professional wrestlers would be. Perhaps he should follow his buddy CM Punk into the UFC to try shooting that move onto a Mickey Gall and see what happens. Their is zero logic into his moveset, just high spots for the sake of high spots and it is injuring people, ending careers and now killing people. I understand that little is known about this death as it is in the early stages. Likely it was more cardiovascularly related. But there in lies another issue. Rollins is a fantastic crossfit athlete that trained for years to have the conditioning that he does. He can't logically expect everyone off the street to have that same conditioning right away and logically would need to implement a more graduated conditioning system. But beyond that why would anyone want to train under someone who has proven to be so reckless? With as many proven qualified wrestling schools and trainers in the world like Lance Storm, Santino Marella, Team 3D, Dory Funk, Tom Prichard or Booker T, why would you waste your money and your health training under someone who has a higher risk of injuring you than advancing your career. And finally to Seth Rollins, if you read this. Take consideration of the people you are working with and learn to work safely or give up and find another profession.”
Originally Posted by Central cake:
“The Harts still posting comments about Seth”
“The Harts still posting comments about Seth”
Wow, what a dick, Hart..not you by the way. The guy who died at the Seth Rollins wrestling academy died while doing a fitness test, not via any wrestling move. So to come out and in a way blame the way Seth likes to work, for the reason this guy died, is frankly disgusting.
If I was Seth, I would look at those comments very closely and maybe take legal action against which ever Hart said this
Originally Posted by stu64:
“Wow, what a dick, Hart..not you by the way. The guy who died at the Seth Rollins wrestling academy died while doing a fitness test, not via any wrestling move. So to come out and in a way blame the way Seth likes to work, for the reason this guy died, is frankly disgusting.
If I was Seth, I would look at those comments very closely and maybe take legal action against which ever Hart said this”
“Wow, what a dick, Hart..not you by the way. The guy who died at the Seth Rollins wrestling academy died while doing a fitness test, not via any wrestling move. So to come out and in a way blame the way Seth likes to work, for the reason this guy died, is frankly disgusting.
If I was Seth, I would look at those comments very closely and maybe take legal action against which ever Hart said this”
Smith Hart
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