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Given that the IWC (who make up the majority of Network subscribers) have overwhelmingly insulted and berated TNA for many years, one has to question how WWE accruing their tape library all of a sudden makes watching them a viable proposition...
Interesting to see so many people here saying they would go for the most expensive tier. Have they ever watched TNA in their lives? It's just the usual WWE brainwashing - once they own the tape library, it suddenly becomes acceptable to watch. You couldn't make it up ![]() |
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I think WWE are getting to the plateau in subscribers for the network. Given that the product is losing viewers, it's unlikely they'll be able to gain many new people to subscribe to the network. By going down a potential tier network route, you can convert some of those hardcore fans that pay £10/$10 a month to upgrade to £15/$15 a month with the smaller promotion's that many probably watch anyway. I don't necessarily think full access to TNA's library will have much of an influence in those hardcore fans going for the top package.
WWE buying TNA's library is more for doing talent DVDs, rather than adding subscribers to the network. |
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I think WWE are getting to the plateau in subscribers for the network. Given that the product is losing viewers, it's unlikely they'll be able to gain many new people to subscribe to the network. By going down a potential tier network route, you can convert some of those hardcore fans that pay £10/$10 a month to upgrade to £15/$15 a month with the smaller promotion's that many probably watch anyway. I don't necessarily think full access to TNA's library will have much of an influence in those hardcore fans going for the top package.
WWE buying TNA's library is more for doing talent DVDs, rather than adding subscribers to the network. Personally, I'm not going out of my way to watch any TNA content. The only time I'd watch any is when it's part of a documentary. |
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I think WWE are getting to the plateau in subscribers for the network. Given that the product is losing viewers, it's unlikely they'll be able to gain many new people to subscribe to the network. By going down a potential tier network route, you can convert some of those hardcore fans that pay £10/$10 a month to upgrade to £15/$15 a month with the smaller promotion's that many probably watch anyway. I don't necessarily think full access to TNA's library will have much of an influence in those hardcore fans going for the top package.
WWE buying TNA's library is more for doing talent DVDs, rather than adding subscribers to the network. |
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WWE's entire business model at the moment is just based on squeezing more and more out of the hardcores because they're increasingly the only ones left that are sticking around. That works to a degree but there's only so far they can take it.
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I agree but if they do put it on The Network they will likely make their money back on that alone and with the DVD's for the first time ever TNA may make a profit.
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So they should job out their most protected guy to a 50 year old in for a one-off appearance because he was cool 20 years ago?
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I think WWE are getting to the plateau in subscribers for the network. Given that the product is losing viewers, it's unlikely they'll be able to gain many new people to subscribe to the network. By going down a potential tier network route, you can convert some of those hardcore fans that pay £10/$10 a month to upgrade to £15/$15 a month with the smaller promotion's that many probably watch anyway. I don't necessarily think full access to TNA's library will have much of an influence in those hardcore fans going for the top package.
WWE buying TNA's library is more for doing talent DVDs, rather than adding subscribers to the network. |
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WWE should start giving us Prime Time, Superstars and Challenge before going off to small indy promotions.
WCW Thunder please. |
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I remember reading the classic content wasn't being watched that much, so they cooled off a bit. Not sure how true it was considering they've uploaded NWA 1989 and episodes of AWA.
Nevertheless, I've always felt (in the UK at least) there should have been way more advertising of the network. I've never seen any TV ads or much press. Before the controversy at least, surely it was a no brainier to have Hogan try to sell to the older crowd. Or give it a big push in the run up to Wrestlemania and SummerSlam. |
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I remember reading the classic content wasn't being watched that much, so they cooled off a bit. Not sure how true it was considering they've uploaded NWA 1989 and episodes of AWA.
Nevertheless, I've always felt (in the UK at least) there should have been way more advertising of the network. I've never seen any TV ads or much press. Before the controversy at least, surely it was a no brainier to have Hogan try to sell to the older crowd. Or give it a big push in the run up to Wrestlemania and SummerSlam. |
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I remember reading the classic content wasn't being watched that much, so they cooled off a bit. Not sure how true it was considering they've uploaded NWA 1989 and episodes of AWA.
Nevertheless, I've always felt (in the UK at least) there should have been way more advertising of the network. I've never seen any TV ads or much press. Before the controversy at least, surely it was a no brainier to have Hogan try to sell to the older crowd. Or give it a big push in the run up to Wrestlemania and SummerSlam. Nobody who watches WWE hasn't heard of the Network, and nobody who doesn't watch WWE is going to be convinced to become a wrestling fan thanks to a 30 second ad during The X-Factor. |
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There will come a point in time where you won't be able to get any more money out of those guys. However, even in this time period, they've got some of those guys to pay top dollar for multiple shows during Mania weekends.
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You're like one of the people who tweet at Meltzer.
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Where would they advertise it? Sky hate the Network as it is costing them box office buys, so they won't air the ads on their channels. That either means they advertise at great expense on the 'big five' stations, or they aim for a niche market on a niche station, which is pointless.
Nobody who watches WWE hasn't heard of the Network, and nobody who doesn't watch WWE is going to be convinced to become a wrestling fan thanks to a 30 second ad during The X-Factor. The only people I see anywhere becoming new fans are the super nerd types to hang out on Tumblr and shit and they're only getting into it because wrestling is now seen as part of 'nerd/geek culture' for want of a better term, rather than appealing more broadly like it did in the past. No offence to those people, but WWE should be targeting casual followers and the way to do that is to have big babyface stars. Ain't happening any time soon. |
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There's reports going about online that Becky Lynch has been pulled from tonight's card due to an injury.
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There's reports going about online that Becky Lynch has been pulled from tonight's card due to an injury.
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Wonder if she will have to forfit the title?
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The WWE twitter page seems to be suggesting that the WWE title match is going on first tonight so either they're trying to avoid the debate or they're seriously teasing Ziggler retiring in the main event.
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I just wonder how long it's sustainable, especially when all the big 4 PPVs are getting rolled into big weekends with NXT, travel packages and the other big indies coming to down. Maybe it'll be sustainable the wrestling is just for the obsessives who spend their entire incomes on it, but that's bad for the overall health of the business in my opinion.
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The WWE twitter page seems to be suggesting that the WWE title match is going on first tonight so either they're trying to avoid the debate or they're seriously teasing Ziggler retiring in the main event.
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Maybe I am being harsh but if Ziggler does retire (well leave the WWE) it is hardly a big deal as I have only ever seen him as a good mid carder nothing else. I think he could of been better but he always comes across as a HBK tribute act.
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Maybe I am being harsh but if Ziggler does retire (well leave the WWE) it is hardly a big deal as I have only ever seen him as a good mid carder nothing else. I think he could of been better but he always comes across as a HBK tribute act.
The Smackdown roster is very thin right now and everything is set up for him to win but I honestly hope he goes away for at least 6 months and comes back as a heel with a new gimmick. |
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I remember reading the classic content wasn't being watched that much, so they cooled off a bit. Not sure how true it was considering they've uploaded NWA 1989 and episodes of AWA.
Nevertheless, I've always felt (in the UK at least) there should have been way more advertising of the network. I've never seen any TV ads or much press. Before the controversy at least, surely it was a no brainier to have Hogan try to sell to the older crowd. Or give it a big push in the run up to Wrestlemania and SummerSlam. I am getting tired of Attitude Era getting preferencial treatment to the other eras. |
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Well if that statement is true then I'm surprised to hear that classic content is one of the reasons why I bought the Network I currently watch classic episodes of Raw and Smackdown heck I even watch WCW Monday Nitro I'm even planning on watching every Survivor Series PPV next month in the build up to this year's event.
Its like the DVDs remove American Dream just because Jimmy hart or someone else wrote it and give him a lame wheel of fortune theme. |
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The WWE twitter page seems to be suggesting that the WWE title match is going on first tonight so either they're trying to avoid the debate or they're seriously teasing Ziggler retiring in the main event.
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WWE Title Match as the first match well that is just stupid.
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WWE Title Match as the first match well that is just stupid.
Joking aside, it is really stupid that the main title match is on first. It should always been the main event, even more so now that the woman's championship is not being defended tonight. |
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