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Old 09-10-2016, 16:26
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Given that the IWC (who make up the majority of Network subscribers) have overwhelmingly insulted and berated TNA for many years, one has to question how WWE accruing their tape library all of a sudden makes watching them a viable proposition...

Interesting to see so many people here saying they would go for the most expensive tier. Have they ever watched TNA in their lives?

It's just the usual WWE brainwashing - once they own the tape library, it suddenly becomes acceptable to watch. You couldn't make it up
Well you've managed it quite well
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Old 09-10-2016, 16:33
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I think WWE are getting to the plateau in subscribers for the network. Given that the product is losing viewers, it's unlikely they'll be able to gain many new people to subscribe to the network. By going down a potential tier network route, you can convert some of those hardcore fans that pay £10/$10 a month to upgrade to £15/$15 a month with the smaller promotion's that many probably watch anyway. I don't necessarily think full access to TNA's library will have much of an influence in those hardcore fans going for the top package.

WWE buying TNA's library is more for doing talent DVDs, rather than adding subscribers to the network.
WWE's entire business model at the moment is just based on squeezing more and more out of the hardcores because they're increasingly the only ones left that are sticking around. That works to a degree but there's only so far they can take it.
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Old 09-10-2016, 16:48
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I think WWE are getting to the plateau in subscribers for the network. Given that the product is losing viewers, it's unlikely they'll be able to gain many new people to subscribe to the network. By going down a potential tier network route, you can convert some of those hardcore fans that pay £10/$10 a month to upgrade to £15/$15 a month with the smaller promotion's that many probably watch anyway. I don't necessarily think full access to TNA's library will have much of an influence in those hardcore fans going for the top package.

WWE buying TNA's library is more for doing talent DVDs, rather than adding subscribers to the network.
I thought so too.

Personally, I'm not going out of my way to watch any TNA content. The only time I'd watch any is when it's part of a documentary.
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Old 09-10-2016, 17:16
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I think WWE are getting to the plateau in subscribers for the network. Given that the product is losing viewers, it's unlikely they'll be able to gain many new people to subscribe to the network. By going down a potential tier network route, you can convert some of those hardcore fans that pay £10/$10 a month to upgrade to £15/$15 a month with the smaller promotion's that many probably watch anyway. I don't necessarily think full access to TNA's library will have much of an influence in those hardcore fans going for the top package.

WWE buying TNA's library is more for doing talent DVDs, rather than adding subscribers to the network.
I agree but if they do put it on The Network they will likely make their money back on that alone and with the DVD's for the first time ever TNA may make a profit.
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Old 09-10-2016, 18:07
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WWE's entire business model at the moment is just based on squeezing more and more out of the hardcores because they're increasingly the only ones left that are sticking around. That works to a degree but there's only so far they can take it.
There will come a point in time where you won't be able to get any more money out of those guys. However, even in this time period, they've got some of those guys to pay top dollar for multiple shows during Mania weekends.

I agree but if they do put it on The Network they will likely make their money back on that alone and with the DVD's for the first time ever TNA may make a profit.
WWE will make their money back quickly. No doubt about that.
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Old 09-10-2016, 18:08
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So they should job out their most protected guy to a 50 year old in for a one-off appearance because he was cool 20 years ago?
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Old 09-10-2016, 18:10
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I think WWE are getting to the plateau in subscribers for the network. Given that the product is losing viewers, it's unlikely they'll be able to gain many new people to subscribe to the network. By going down a potential tier network route, you can convert some of those hardcore fans that pay £10/$10 a month to upgrade to £15/$15 a month with the smaller promotion's that many probably watch anyway. I don't necessarily think full access to TNA's library will have much of an influence in those hardcore fans going for the top package.

WWE buying TNA's library is more for doing talent DVDs, rather than adding subscribers to the network.
WWE should start giving us Prime Time, Superstars and Challenge before going off to small indy promotions.
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Old 09-10-2016, 18:26
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WWE should start giving us Prime Time, Superstars and Challenge before going off to small indy promotions.
They can do both. However, I think they'll feel they can get more money from subcribers for adding other promotions than adding those shows.

WCW Thunder please.
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Old 09-10-2016, 18:55
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I remember reading the classic content wasn't being watched that much, so they cooled off a bit. Not sure how true it was considering they've uploaded NWA 1989 and episodes of AWA.

Nevertheless, I've always felt (in the UK at least) there should have been way more advertising of the network. I've never seen any TV ads or much press. Before the controversy at least, surely it was a no brainier to have Hogan try to sell to the older crowd. Or give it a big push in the run up to Wrestlemania and SummerSlam.
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Old 09-10-2016, 19:30
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I remember reading the classic content wasn't being watched that much, so they cooled off a bit. Not sure how true it was considering they've uploaded NWA 1989 and episodes of AWA.

Nevertheless, I've always felt (in the UK at least) there should have been way more advertising of the network. I've never seen any TV ads or much press. Before the controversy at least, surely it was a no brainier to have Hogan try to sell to the older crowd. Or give it a big push in the run up to Wrestlemania and SummerSlam.
Well if that statement is true then I'm surprised to hear that classic content is one of the reasons why I bought the Network I currently watch classic episodes of Raw and Smackdown heck I even watch WCW Monday Nitro I'm even planning on watching every Survivor Series PPV next month in the build up to this year's event.
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Old 09-10-2016, 20:07
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I remember reading the classic content wasn't being watched that much, so they cooled off a bit. Not sure how true it was considering they've uploaded NWA 1989 and episodes of AWA.

Nevertheless, I've always felt (in the UK at least) there should have been way more advertising of the network. I've never seen any TV ads or much press. Before the controversy at least, surely it was a no brainier to have Hogan try to sell to the older crowd. Or give it a big push in the run up to Wrestlemania and SummerSlam.
Where would they advertise it? Sky hate the Network as it is costing them box office buys, so they won't air the ads on their channels. That either means they advertise at great expense on the 'big five' stations, or they aim for a niche market on a niche station, which is pointless.

Nobody who watches WWE hasn't heard of the Network, and nobody who doesn't watch WWE is going to be convinced to become a wrestling fan thanks to a 30 second ad during The X-Factor.
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Old 09-10-2016, 20:26
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There will come a point in time where you won't be able to get any more money out of those guys. However, even in this time period, they've got some of those guys to pay top dollar for multiple shows during Mania weekends.
I just wonder how long it's sustainable, especially when all the big 4 PPVs are getting rolled into big weekends with NXT, travel packages and the other big indies coming to down. Maybe it'll be sustainable the wrestling is just for the obsessives who spend their entire incomes on it, but that's bad for the overall health of the business in my opinion.

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Old 09-10-2016, 20:31
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Where would they advertise it? Sky hate the Network as it is costing them box office buys, so they won't air the ads on their channels. That either means they advertise at great expense on the 'big five' stations, or they aim for a niche market on a niche station, which is pointless.

Nobody who watches WWE hasn't heard of the Network, and nobody who doesn't watch WWE is going to be convinced to become a wrestling fan thanks to a 30 second ad during The X-Factor.
New fans won't go straight into the network anyway. If WWE are to entice new subscribers, they need to get a bit of buzz around their TV and then go on a sustained run of good shows. But the shows are too stale and boring, nobody is that over, traditional psychology is out the window and there are way too many hours of TV for new people to want to keep up with.

The only people I see anywhere becoming new fans are the super nerd types to hang out on Tumblr and shit and they're only getting into it because wrestling is now seen as part of 'nerd/geek culture' for want of a better term, rather than appealing more broadly like it did in the past. No offence to those people, but WWE should be targeting casual followers and the way to do that is to have big babyface stars. Ain't happening any time soon.
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Old 09-10-2016, 20:37
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There's reports going about online that Becky Lynch has been pulled from tonight's card due to an injury.
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Old 09-10-2016, 20:55
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There's reports going about online that Becky Lynch has been pulled from tonight's card due to an injury.
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Old 09-10-2016, 21:14
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Wonder if she will have to forfit the title?
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Old 09-10-2016, 21:17
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The WWE twitter page seems to be suggesting that the WWE title match is going on first tonight so either they're trying to avoid the debate or they're seriously teasing Ziggler retiring in the main event.
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Old 09-10-2016, 21:39
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I just wonder how long it's sustainable, especially when all the big 4 PPVs are getting rolled into big weekends with NXT, travel packages and the other big indies coming to down. Maybe it'll be sustainable the wrestling is just for the obsessives who spend their entire incomes on it, but that's bad for the overall health of the business in my opinion.
I agree, I don't know how viable it is longterm. Mania and to a lesser extent SummerSlam can attract visitors from around the world dependent on location, but people only have so much disposable income.

The WWE twitter page seems to be suggesting that the WWE title match is going on first tonight so either they're trying to avoid the debate or they're seriously teasing Ziggler retiring in the main event.
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Old 09-10-2016, 22:09
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Maybe I am being harsh but if Ziggler does retire (well leave the WWE) it is hardly a big deal as I have only ever seen him as a good mid carder nothing else. I think he could of been better but he always comes across as a HBK tribute act.
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Old 09-10-2016, 22:14
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Maybe I am being harsh but if Ziggler does retire (well leave the WWE) it is hardly a big deal as I have only ever seen him as a good mid carder nothing else. I think he could of been better but he always comes across as a HBK tribute act.
I don't think there's anything wrong per say with being a career midcarder. It's a steady role and someone has got to do it but they've beaten the guy into the ground so much that his actual TV character is 'loser.'

The Smackdown roster is very thin right now and everything is set up for him to win but I honestly hope he goes away for at least 6 months and comes back as a heel with a new gimmick.
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Old 09-10-2016, 22:19
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I remember reading the classic content wasn't being watched that much, so they cooled off a bit. Not sure how true it was considering they've uploaded NWA 1989 and episodes of AWA.

Nevertheless, I've always felt (in the UK at least) there should have been way more advertising of the network. I've never seen any TV ads or much press. Before the controversy at least, surely it was a no brainier to have Hogan try to sell to the older crowd. Or give it a big push in the run up to Wrestlemania and SummerSlam.
If they actually put it up from the start maybe there would be more people interested, but just picking random shows or 1 full year probably wont interest some people I mean if they put Superstars 1988 up Id rather watch it in order from the first 1986 shows first.

I am getting tired of Attitude Era getting preferencial treatment to the other eras.
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Old 09-10-2016, 22:23
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Well if that statement is true then I'm surprised to hear that classic content is one of the reasons why I bought the Network I currently watch classic episodes of Raw and Smackdown heck I even watch WCW Monday Nitro I'm even planning on watching every Survivor Series PPV next month in the build up to this year's event.
If they hadent put classic network up I probably wouldnt have bothered. I think the main reason for me getting it was because they had Raw 93 & 94 when it started. Im sure im not the only fan who gets annoyed when they change musics because they wont payout for rights.

Its like the DVDs remove American Dream just because Jimmy hart or someone else wrote it and give him a lame wheel of fortune theme.
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Old 09-10-2016, 22:25
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The WWE twitter page seems to be suggesting that the WWE title match is going on first tonight so either they're trying to avoid the debate or they're seriously teasing Ziggler retiring in the main event.
Seriously? Thats the dumbest decision they ve done in the past decade. I thought No Mercy 2007 was bad enough but the WWE Title is the most important thing in the company and should be the last match.
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Old 09-10-2016, 22:42
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WWE Title Match as the first match well that is just stupid.
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Old 09-10-2016, 22:50
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WWE Title Match as the first match well that is just stupid.
I think it is great. Means come 1.30am I can go to bed!

Joking aside, it is really stupid that the main title match is on first. It should always been the main event, even more so now that the woman's championship is not being defended tonight.
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