Miz v Ziggles closing the show I would assume

Surely they are not going to send the punteroonies home unhappy and have Ziggles lose

They are clearly scared people will switch to the debate and not see the WWE title match or have it spoilered so are putting it early to avoid that

Look how big the audience was for the last debate and consider all that has happened in the last couple of days, Probably going to be more watching that than the last one

I don't see why the debate matters if people switch over.

If they watch on The Network they have already paid for The Network watch it or not and if it's on PPV and they have ordered it they still have to pay for it.

Apparently the reason the WWE Title match is first is due to the Presidential debate. I can understand that if it were 1999 or heck even 2013 but this is 2016, the WWE Network era, people can watch it later.

This is my thinking, it's not the same situation as trying to get a high tv rating. Also hardly anyone buys the ppvs now.

No issue with it as a one off and considering they're up against the debate tonight. I think Miz/Ziggler for the IC Title is deserving of closing the show too, even more so if Ziggler is losing tonight.

Although it'd be hilarious if they now went and put Orton/Wyatt on last despite everybody expecting Miz/Ziggler.

I could not have put it any better myself all the build up and hype surrounding that match only to be first on the card. Regardless the WWE title match should always be the last match on the card of a PPV.

It's been confirmed. This is from an email from WWE:

For the first time in WWE pay-per-view history, the main event featuring a triple threat match for the WWE World Championship -- WWE World Champion A.J. Styles vs. Dean Ambrose vs. John Cena -- will start the show LIVE at 8pm ET/5pm PT on WWE Network.

I believe the WWE title should close the show, but I agree with you. As long as it's a one-off, I can live with it. And, yes, it would be very funny if the final match ended up being Orton vs Wyatt. Although not very funny for those who stay up to watch it. Then again, I guess they could go to bed early.

Maybe they are scared people won't actually watch the 3 way once they switch away and want to make sure they do, Big angle in the match perhaps?

Presidential debate or no presidential debate the WWE title match should always be the last match on the card of a PPV IMHO. Whether No Mercy ends up being good or not so good tonight WWE have made the first mistake of the night.

The only PPV a WWE/Universal Title Match should not be last is The Royal Rumble.

Kurt Hawkins is back tonight who will his opponant be?

Here we go then, good luck everyone

I would allow the exception to include a retirement/"Loser leaves WWE" match.

For example, I didn't mind when Taker/HBK ended WM26 instead of Cena/Batista.

Kane.

The only way I would put the Title match on first is if something happens that teases something else happening at the end of the show and you want to try and keep those people watching the show rather than changing to the debate. It wont matter either way as it's not a TV rating they are after but I would imagine they would want their audience to watch the whole show rather than cherry pick the matches and that match really is the main match for people.

I can go back to when I was a child and family members would ask me to fast forward the video tape to the end so they could see the end. That's how most people still are today. They only care about the last match and how it ends, they're not gonna watch it all. Even I'm like that now with the TV products, all I care about is the last 30 seconds of the matches and what the promos are, that's all I need to see, I don't need to sit through entire matches anymore, just tell me who wins and that's it.



And ags I agree about the Network, of course James that doesn't watch TNA will of course watch it if it's on the Network lol. Many WWE fans will justify it that way and unfortunately for many of them, they will pay it. Even James said he paid £70 for the video game months and months ago when it went up for pre order. Not even a second thought given, £70 and it's already for sale at £35 and no doubt be under £20 in Black Friday next month.

The WWE has lost touch with the casual audience, they don't know how to reach the masses anymore with wrestling or characters or story so they are milking what audience is there dry. Now me and you might sit there and not understand it but you think of how many people there are out there that are just like that, thousands of people paying £70 for a video game months before it's even released. Believe me there's plenty that would do it. That's where the money goes, dole money or if some of them work a job, it goes on things like that. If WWE said they are charging £50 a month, they would pay it, no questions asked, wouldn't bat an eyelid, they would even cut their food supply short, maybe pay a few bills a fortnight late, they would make sure the wrestling is paid for first.

And that's how it is. There's some people out there that don't have anything else. There's no partner or spouse, there's no responsibilities other than themselves and they've nothing else to spend their money on. They've been watching wrestling since birth, they've went through childhood, teenage years and now into adulthood and nothing has changed. I've said it on here before, if Sky Sports showed a blank screen for 3 hours there's people that would literally sit and stare at it waiting for a wrestling match to come on, 4 in the morning when most people are sleeping and they have to sleep because they need to work 40 hours a week and live a life. Wrestling is a luxury. Sitting up till 4am on a Tuesday morning is a luxury but there are people that don't have anything else. It's no different than some of the fandoms for music, you get fans that are so into it that's all they think about, they're taking time off school, off work, they get into debt, paying for concert tickets and hotels and wanting autographs, it consumes their life. It gets them through the day.

It's happened plenty of times before with the WWE/World title match not going on last, not seeing the big issue here. This also really helps give even more credibility to the current state of the Intercontinental title and the Miz/Ziggler feud if that match goes on last. People have spent plenty of time moaning about wanting more credibility and build for the IC title, give a ridiculous hot feud like this the main spot and it helps boost that credibility and meaning for the title, Miz and Ziggler.

I'm thinking Apollo Crews he's already a lower midcard act.

I see your point but they said themselves it's never been the opening match if they wanted a retirement match last fair enough put the WWE Title Match 2nd to last.

I won't be on much here tonight as What Culture is doing a live stream on Youtube.

well that was underwhelming

Thought his first match was tonight.

Um right ok, that was a bit pointless

Guess it will be Naomi as I don't think there is anybody else unless a NXT Woman makes a debut or one off which I doubt as Alexa will be winning.