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Originally Posted by FMKK:
“Has there been a really good Hell in a Cell match since Batista vs HHH in 2005?
It's such a shitty gimmick in 2016, surviving off a 10-20 year old reputation.”
“Has there been a really good Hell in a Cell match since Batista vs HHH in 2005?
It's such a shitty gimmick in 2016, surviving off a 10-20 year old reputation.”
They are really overdone now and having 3 at the next PPV is quite stupid.
Maybe they should at least do something new with one of them i.e Last Man Standing or I Quit rules just to try and make one of them a little diffrent.
Only one I'm looking forwards to is the womens one at least that feud has lasted long enough to get away with they need HIAC to end it.
Originally Posted by FMKK:
“Has there been a really good Hell in a Cell match since Batista vs HHH in 2005?
It's such a shitty gimmick in 2016, surviving off a 10-20 year old reputation.”
“Has there been a really good Hell in a Cell match since Batista vs HHH in 2005?
It's such a shitty gimmick in 2016, surviving off a 10-20 year old reputation.”
Like the rest of the company and product in general then
Originally Posted by James Frederick:
“They are really overdone now and having 3 at the next PPV is quite stupid.
Maybe they should at least do something new with one of them i.e Last Man Standing or I Quit rules just to try and make one of them a little diffrent.
Only one I'm looking forwards to is the womens one at least that feud has lasted long enough to get away with they need HIAC to end it.”
“They are really overdone now and having 3 at the next PPV is quite stupid.
Maybe they should at least do something new with one of them i.e Last Man Standing or I Quit rules just to try and make one of them a little diffrent.
Only one I'm looking forwards to is the womens one at least that feud has lasted long enough to get away with they need HIAC to end it.”
They've still not overdone it TNA style. 8 cages matches in one night, which also included a variation on War Games, Tables, Fatal 4 Way, Tag, and Best of 3 Falls!
Originally Posted by Lee_Smith2:
“They've still not overdone it TNA style. 8 cages matches in one night, which also included a variation on War Games, Tables, Fatal 4 Way, Tag, and Best of 3 Falls!”
“They've still not overdone it TNA style. 8 cages matches in one night, which also included a variation on War Games, Tables, Fatal 4 Way, Tag, and Best of 3 Falls!”
The electrified version was terrible
Originally Posted by stu64:
“So with Goldberg/Lesnar happening at Survivor Series, who we expecting Lesnar to face at WM33?”
“So with Goldberg/Lesnar happening at Survivor Series, who we expecting Lesnar to face at WM33?”
Shane McMahon.
Originally Posted by hazydayz:
“Our very own James Frederick seems to be friendly with the family,”
“Our very own James Frederick seems to be friendly with the family,”
DUDE! Its on facebook! Anyone can read public messages there.
Originally Posted by James Frederick:
“That has been the plan for a long time now hence the way Summerslam ended.
I do wonder if Shane will cost Brock the Goldberg match to give Brock a reason to want to fight Shane.”
“That has been the plan for a long time now hence the way Summerslam ended.
I do wonder if Shane will cost Brock the Goldberg match to give Brock a reason to want to fight Shane.”
I hope so. Im sure im not the only one but christ am I sick to bloody death of Lesnar squashing everyone. No one in WWE has legimate chance of beating him and Goldberg HAS to beat him.
I wonder if Heyman will say Brock is pissed he never beat Mr. Perfect because it happened on a dark match,
Originally Posted by hazydayz:
“The problem with any Lesnar match is you can only really do it to end a feud. In other words you have to really build up to it, it's not like Lesnar is gonna wrestle the same person a few times or trade wins, anytime he fights it is basically the pay off. It's a one time deal, the other person he is facing, usually the loser of the match, doesn't get a chance to get revenge so if you had a big street fight with people helping Shane and maybe Kurt coming in to help, because it is Shane's feud it would need to end that night and because Kurt might not be able to wrestle for WWE or pass their Wellness tests, you can't have him feud with Lesnar right away. With anyone else you can have them come out on Raw and fight or Smackdown and fight, Lesnar wont do that and having Lesnar lose and then basically doing nothing on TV for the following 4 weeks also wouldn't be realistic and then again having Paul Heyman doing the talking for 4 weeks till the next PPV also wouldn't be recieved that well with fans. Lesnar is only doing things one way, his way.”
“The problem with any Lesnar match is you can only really do it to end a feud. In other words you have to really build up to it, it's not like Lesnar is gonna wrestle the same person a few times or trade wins, anytime he fights it is basically the pay off. It's a one time deal, the other person he is facing, usually the loser of the match, doesn't get a chance to get revenge so if you had a big street fight with people helping Shane and maybe Kurt coming in to help, because it is Shane's feud it would need to end that night and because Kurt might not be able to wrestle for WWE or pass their Wellness tests, you can't have him feud with Lesnar right away. With anyone else you can have them come out on Raw and fight or Smackdown and fight, Lesnar wont do that and having Lesnar lose and then basically doing nothing on TV for the following 4 weeks also wouldn't be realistic and then again having Paul Heyman doing the talking for 4 weeks till the next PPV also wouldn't be recieved that well with fans. Lesnar is only doing things one way, his way.”
Its a shame Im not in charge of WWE cos id make damn sure he put over Sami Zayn!
Originally Posted by LeeleeSTAR:
“I see itv are bringing back World of sport. Not sure if it's just a one off special at the moment.
El ligero, Sha Samuels, Zach Gibson, Mark Coffey, Kenny Williams and Johnny Moss involved at present.”
“I see itv are bringing back World of sport. Not sure if it's just a one off special at the moment.
El ligero, Sha Samuels, Zach Gibson, Mark Coffey, Kenny Williams and Johnny Moss involved at present.”
Thats been in talks for such a long time since the pilot episode.
Not sure I like the idea of it back unless ITV goes full way and makes it like it used to be as in Wrestling during the football results with Dickie Davies.
Still you cant beat guys like Big Daddy, Haystacks and all the rest.
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“It is I think being filmed in Manchester on November the first, so hopefully it will be good.
It can't be worse then when they had that God awful celebrity wrestling a few years ago, with D'Lo Brown.”
“It is I think being filmed in Manchester on November the first, so hopefully it will be good.
It can't be worse then when they had that God awful celebrity wrestling a few years ago, with D'Lo Brown.”
I tend to rewatch that from time to time.
Sadly I only taped the first 3 episodes and after that I couldnt record it because I was watching Doctor Who instead.
Originally Posted by Paul_Rowlands:
“Chris Benoit is the greatest wrestler who ever lived”
“Chris Benoit is the greatest wrestler who ever lived”
One of the greatest yes but not THE greatest.
Loved his matches against Bret Hart on WCW Mayhem & the Nitro dedicated to Owen Hart.
Originally Posted by FMKK:
“Has there been a really good Hell in a Cell match since Batista vs HHH in 2005?
It's such a shitty gimmick in 2016, surviving off a 10-20 year old reputation.”
“Has there been a really good Hell in a Cell match since Batista vs HHH in 2005?
It's such a shitty gimmick in 2016, surviving off a 10-20 year old reputation.”
No because WWE just gimmicked it into a PPV and ruined the concept. These type of matches should only happen TO END A FEUD! I dont see the point in doing them for Punk vs Ryback or DX vs Cody & Ted. Its like how Cage Matches always happen.
Saying that I did enjoy the Batista vs Taker one from Cyber Sunday 2007. That was a good match.
Originally Posted by FMKK:
“So Bill Goldberg is the best promo on Raw.”
“So Bill Goldberg is the best promo on Raw.”
That doesnt suprise me alough its embarrassing that a part timer pulls off the best promo of the night and the current roster doesnt come close.
Originally Posted by dave_windows:
“DUDE! Its on facebook! Anyone can read public messages there.”
“DUDE! Its on facebook! Anyone can read public messages there.”
But James knows the family personally, he can get the inside scoop.
I think it goes back to what I've said many times. Goldberg looks like a wrestler. He acts like a wrestler. He looks like a star. He talks like a star. He looks like a man. He wants to fight.
I've read it many times today, the difference between Goldberg and the rest of the roster and it's what many of us have been saying for years now. You need wrestlers on the show that actually look like a wrestler, that talk like a wrestler, that look like they could kick your ass, not young men and women that just bicker, that look like regular people, people that the audience sitting at home could beat up. All they worry about is high spots and THIS IS AWESOME chants. I'm glad they did it in Colorado and not a smark city because the crowd made him look like a star, a smark crowd would have ruined it. Then look at the Champion Kevin Owens, that's why Kevin Owens isn't on TV shows and charity events. Goldberg is what a wrestler should look like. That's why John Cena did it for years. That's the kind of guys you send to award shows and TV shows and you send them to events to represent the company. Kevin Owens looks like one of those guys everyone knows, one of those guys that always wants to fight but everybody knows he's no chance of ever winning a fight.
I don't know what the rating will be tonight. I'm sure some older viewers will have tuned in but the stuff with Seth, New Day, R Truth, I'd love to know what an older fan from 15 years ago thought of that. They had a chance to show older fans what current wrestling is like and they put all that on. It's like night and day and if the fans notice it, surely the McMahons notice it. Surely they see Goldberg and see the difference. Even the energy and presence and how it came across on screen. They should be asking themselves, why can't we copy that, why can't we do that with our own stars. Where are we going wrong. They should be thinking that.
I've read it many times today, the difference between Goldberg and the rest of the roster and it's what many of us have been saying for years now. You need wrestlers on the show that actually look like a wrestler, that talk like a wrestler, that look like they could kick your ass, not young men and women that just bicker, that look like regular people, people that the audience sitting at home could beat up. All they worry about is high spots and THIS IS AWESOME chants. I'm glad they did it in Colorado and not a smark city because the crowd made him look like a star, a smark crowd would have ruined it. Then look at the Champion Kevin Owens, that's why Kevin Owens isn't on TV shows and charity events. Goldberg is what a wrestler should look like. That's why John Cena did it for years. That's the kind of guys you send to award shows and TV shows and you send them to events to represent the company. Kevin Owens looks like one of those guys everyone knows, one of those guys that always wants to fight but everybody knows he's no chance of ever winning a fight.
I don't know what the rating will be tonight. I'm sure some older viewers will have tuned in but the stuff with Seth, New Day, R Truth, I'd love to know what an older fan from 15 years ago thought of that. They had a chance to show older fans what current wrestling is like and they put all that on. It's like night and day and if the fans notice it, surely the McMahons notice it. Surely they see Goldberg and see the difference. Even the energy and presence and how it came across on screen. They should be asking themselves, why can't we copy that, why can't we do that with our own stars. Where are we going wrong. They should be thinking that.
Originally Posted by FMKK:
“So Bill Goldberg is the best promo on Raw.”
“So Bill Goldberg is the best promo on Raw.”
Speaks volumes really.Nice little dig about there not being many superheroes around these days.
Originally Posted by dave_windows:
“Still you cant beat guys like Big Daddy, Haystacks and all the rest.”
“Still you cant beat guys like Big Daddy, Haystacks and all the rest.”
Big Daddy made Triple H look like the most giving and least self-serving guy in the business.
Originally Posted by hazydayz:
“I think it goes back to what I've said many times. Goldberg looks like a wrestler. He acts like a wrestler. He looks like a star. He talks like a star. He looks like a man. He wants to fight.
I've read it many times today, the difference between Goldberg and the rest of the roster and it's what many of us have been saying for years now. You need wrestlers on the show that actually look like a wrestler, that talk like a wrestler, that look like they could kick your ass, not young men and women that just bicker, that look like regular people, people that the audience sitting at home could beat up. All they worry about is high spots and THIS IS AWESOME chants. I'm glad they did it in Colorado and not a smark city because the crowd made him look like a star, a smark crowd would have ruined it. Then look at the Champion Kevin Owens, that's why Kevin Owens isn't on TV shows and charity events. Goldberg is what a wrestler should look like. That's why John Cena did it for years. That's the kind of guys you send to award shows and TV shows and you send them to events to represent the company. Kevin Owens looks like one of those guys everyone knows, one of those guys that always wants to fight but everybody knows he's no chance of ever winning a fight.
I don't know what the rating will be tonight. I'm sure some older viewers will have tuned in but the stuff with Seth, New Day, R Truth, I'd love to know what an older fan from 15 years ago thought of that. They had a chance to show older fans what current wrestling is like and they put all that on. It's like night and day and if the fans notice it, surely the McMahons notice it. Surely they see Goldberg and see the difference. Even the energy and presence and how it came across on screen. They should be asking themselves, why can't we copy that, why can't we do that with our own stars. Where are we going wrong. They should be thinking that.”
“I think it goes back to what I've said many times. Goldberg looks like a wrestler. He acts like a wrestler. He looks like a star. He talks like a star. He looks like a man. He wants to fight.
I've read it many times today, the difference between Goldberg and the rest of the roster and it's what many of us have been saying for years now. You need wrestlers on the show that actually look like a wrestler, that talk like a wrestler, that look like they could kick your ass, not young men and women that just bicker, that look like regular people, people that the audience sitting at home could beat up. All they worry about is high spots and THIS IS AWESOME chants. I'm glad they did it in Colorado and not a smark city because the crowd made him look like a star, a smark crowd would have ruined it. Then look at the Champion Kevin Owens, that's why Kevin Owens isn't on TV shows and charity events. Goldberg is what a wrestler should look like. That's why John Cena did it for years. That's the kind of guys you send to award shows and TV shows and you send them to events to represent the company. Kevin Owens looks like one of those guys everyone knows, one of those guys that always wants to fight but everybody knows he's no chance of ever winning a fight.
I don't know what the rating will be tonight. I'm sure some older viewers will have tuned in but the stuff with Seth, New Day, R Truth, I'd love to know what an older fan from 15 years ago thought of that. They had a chance to show older fans what current wrestling is like and they put all that on. It's like night and day and if the fans notice it, surely the McMahons notice it. Surely they see Goldberg and see the difference. Even the energy and presence and how it came across on screen. They should be asking themselves, why can't we copy that, why can't we do that with our own stars. Where are we going wrong. They should be thinking that.”
Wise words.
Originally Posted by dave_windows:
“No because WWE just gimmicked it into a PPV and ruined the concept. These type of matches should only happen TO END A FEUD! I dont see the point in doing them for Punk vs Ryback or DX vs Cody & Ted. Its like how Cage Matches always happen.
Saying that I did enjoy the Batista vs Taker one from Cyber Sunday 2007. That was a good match.”
“No because WWE just gimmicked it into a PPV and ruined the concept. These type of matches should only happen TO END A FEUD! I dont see the point in doing them for Punk vs Ryback or DX vs Cody & Ted. Its like how Cage Matches always happen.
Saying that I did enjoy the Batista vs Taker one from Cyber Sunday 2007. That was a good match.”
Lesnar vs Taker was good last year I suppose. Because it was actually violent.
But I agree with you on how they've ruined it. This ****ing woman's cell match has been particularly dreadful in the build. How about talking about the actual feud as a personal issue instead of patting yourselves on the back for 'making history' over and over again? It's dire.
Originally Posted by whedon247:
“did he look skinny and frail?”
“did he look skinny and frail?”
He didn't look as jacked up as he did 18 years ago but the dude is in his 50s. I thought he looked fine.
Originally Posted by hazydayz:
“I think it goes back to what I've said many times. Goldberg looks like a wrestler. He acts like a wrestler. He looks like a star. He talks like a star. He looks like a man. He wants to fight.
I've read it many times today, the difference between Goldberg and the rest of the roster and it's what many of us have been saying for years now. You need wrestlers on the show that actually look like a wrestler, that talk like a wrestler, that look like they could kick your ass, not young men and women that just bicker, that look like regular people, people that the audience sitting at home could beat up. All they worry about is high spots and THIS IS AWESOME chants. I'm glad they did it in Colorado and not a smark city because the crowd made him look like a star, a smark crowd would have ruined it. Then look at the Champion Kevin Owens, that's why Kevin Owens isn't on TV shows and charity events. Goldberg is what a wrestler should look like. That's why John Cena did it for years. That's the kind of guys you send to award shows and TV shows and you send them to events to represent the company. Kevin Owens looks like one of those guys everyone knows, one of those guys that always wants to fight but everybody knows he's no chance of ever winning a fight.
I don't know what the rating will be tonight. I'm sure some older viewers will have tuned in but the stuff with Seth, New Day, R Truth, I'd love to know what an older fan from 15 years ago thought of that. They had a chance to show older fans what current wrestling is like and they put all that on. It's like night and day and if the fans notice it, surely the McMahons notice it. Surely they see Goldberg and see the difference. Even the energy and presence and how it came across on screen. They should be asking themselves, why can't we copy that, why can't we do that with our own stars. Where are we going wrong. They should be thinking that.”
“I think it goes back to what I've said many times. Goldberg looks like a wrestler. He acts like a wrestler. He looks like a star. He talks like a star. He looks like a man. He wants to fight.
I've read it many times today, the difference between Goldberg and the rest of the roster and it's what many of us have been saying for years now. You need wrestlers on the show that actually look like a wrestler, that talk like a wrestler, that look like they could kick your ass, not young men and women that just bicker, that look like regular people, people that the audience sitting at home could beat up. All they worry about is high spots and THIS IS AWESOME chants. I'm glad they did it in Colorado and not a smark city because the crowd made him look like a star, a smark crowd would have ruined it. Then look at the Champion Kevin Owens, that's why Kevin Owens isn't on TV shows and charity events. Goldberg is what a wrestler should look like. That's why John Cena did it for years. That's the kind of guys you send to award shows and TV shows and you send them to events to represent the company. Kevin Owens looks like one of those guys everyone knows, one of those guys that always wants to fight but everybody knows he's no chance of ever winning a fight.
I don't know what the rating will be tonight. I'm sure some older viewers will have tuned in but the stuff with Seth, New Day, R Truth, I'd love to know what an older fan from 15 years ago thought of that. They had a chance to show older fans what current wrestling is like and they put all that on. It's like night and day and if the fans notice it, surely the McMahons notice it. Surely they see Goldberg and see the difference. Even the energy and presence and how it came across on screen. They should be asking themselves, why can't we copy that, why can't we do that with our own stars. Where are we going wrong. They should be thinking that.”
Part of it is that but just as important is how he was presented as something special through the show and was actually allowed to speak sincerely instead of reading one of WWE's dreadful scripts. There's room for all sorts of looks on WWE TV. Dusty Rhodes drew a ton of money as a fat guy after all.
Originally Posted by hazydayz:
“But James knows the family personally, he can get the inside scoop.”
“But James knows the family personally, he can get the inside scoop.”
James doesnt personally know the family. He probably just keeps in the knowlegde of whats going on.
Originally Posted by The Amazing:
“Big Daddy made Triple H look like the most giving and least self-serving guy in the business.”
“Big Daddy made Triple H look like the most giving and least self-serving guy in the business.”
Why? Because his brother Max owned All Star Promotions Big Daddy never lost to anyone?
Why lose if the fans want you to win.
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