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World Wrestling Entertainment Discussion 42 (Spoilers)
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Harris_07
31-10-2016
I think/hope they're building up Charlotte's title reigns and PPV record for Bayley to get her big win at WM.

Given how fast things progress, I wouldn't be surprised if it happened at Survivor Series instead.
The_don1
31-10-2016
Originally Posted by hazydayz:
“Yes kicks where the person is standing. In what fight have you ever seen a grown man, WHILE STANDING, try and lift their leg up to reach the other persons head? I've no problem with kicks to the stomach or groin but you don't have men standing up then trying to swing their legs in the air to kick the other person on the head and what's more.........you don't have the other guy stand there and not put his hands up.

Same with wrestlers punching, the HD cameras give the game away, you can see their hands not connecting and again, the wrestlers NEVER put their hands up to protect themselves so you just have people punching air so it's not benefitting anyone, it's not doing the business any favours and if they want to aim the show at kids and families, most kids have fought at school.

It's right up there with the wrestler in the corner getting punched 10 times and the other person not putting their hands up, not believable.

It's up there with the ref in tag team matches playing dumb and he can't see what's going on behind his back.

Wrestling seriously needs to move ahead a good 20 years and this Cell nonsense, basically free TV matches inside a cage which never does anything or affects anything in the match needs to go aswell. Again I think it's a case of the people working there being so close to it, so involved in it that they have no idea how it comes across to regular everyday people. It just doesn't work in 2016 and we are nearly in 2017. At least try and make it believable. And they'll do this cruiserweight stuff and what's that about? Just showing off. The average person on the street would take one look at that and turn it off, it's not believable. The whole point of a wrestling match is to pin the other person, it's to hurt the other person. It's nearly 2017, it's time to move on.

Even this promo thing they are showing. Wrestlers talking with a camera facing them but never looking at the actual camera. It was fine in the Attitude Era when Vince Russo was giving you soap opera 101, but it has no place in modern wrestling.

And speaking of VInce Russo, he already name dropped Kevin Nash, Steve Austin, Shawn Michaels, Vader, Ron Simmons as people that don't watch WWE on TV. He speaks to them all regularly and he says you know it's bad when some of the biggest names in the business can't stand to sit and watch it, he says when they can't be bothered to watch Raw or Smackdown you'd think heads would turn at the WWE and maybe they'd get a clue, especially Austin and Michaels, you'd think the penny would drop that two of your biggest stars can't stand it. But of course nothing will change.

And another thing Russo said i agree with, what is it with the male fans at these shows? There's no sexuality in WWE. There's no sexuality with the women except Lana, all the women are wrestlers and they look like wrestlers. Wrestling has always had beautiful attractive sexy women and now it's all the wrestling and only wrestling and you've got an arena of fans wanting fat Kevin Owens, they'd rather sit and watch fat Kevin Owens than look at beautiful attractive women? Right there you know there's something going on lol. Just something with the whole thing and the WWE is in on it too. Even the wrestlers used to look like men, these current wrestlers look like young boys. Young boys, not grown men. The kind of men women would come to the wrestling to see, the kind of men other men wanted to look like. I just don't get it.”

Do you suffer from a lack of access to Porn? Two sexy beautiful headlined the event, Men should look like men? What do "men" look like?

Thankfully most people have matured from the POV that "sexy and beautiful" women have to look and act like the Lana's of this world. We have women like Rounda Rousey etc The times of "men being men" and "women being women" thank god is dying out with the cavemen and their 1930s mentality

Of course Russo thinks those things because when in doubt drop to the lowest possible level. He is unable to join 2016.
James Frederick
31-10-2016
Originally Posted by The_don1:
“Do you suffer from a lack of access to Porn? Two sexy beautiful headlined the event, Men should look like men? What do "men" look like?

Thankfully most people have matured from the POV that "sexy and beautiful" women have to look and act like the Lana's of this world. We have women like Rounda Rousey etc The times of "men being men" and "women being women" thank god is dying out with the cavemen and their 1930s mentality

Of course Russo thinks those things because when in doubt drop to the lowest possible level. He is unable to join 2016.”

I find it funny Russo's says Champions should look like "real" men not somebody the public think they should be able to beat when he booked David Arquette and himself as WCW Champion.

Plus for a heel part of it is the public should think I can beat this guy as it makes them more mad when the heel wins wrestlers in the past i.e William Regal and Ric Flair have said they did that on purpose.
James Frederick
31-10-2016
Plus Owens doesn't have a much diffrent body shape than Dusty Big Boss Man Bam Bam and more and Owens looks more in shape on his worse day than Foley did on his best.
The_don1
31-10-2016
Originally Posted by James Frederick:
“I find it funny Russo's says Champions should look like "real" men not somebody the public think they should be able to beat when he booked David Arquette and himself as WCW Champion.

Plus for a heel part of it is the public should think I can beat this guy as it makes them more mad when the heel wins wrestlers in the past i.e William Regal and Ric Flair have said they did that on purpose.”

Owen's work with Jericho has been some of the best "heel" work seen for many many years (some might say better then many heel work in the Attitude time). He has been a great heel throughout his time with WWE that's the key factor not some old fashioned view of "what someone should look like"

Not sure what the obsession is with winning real fights and looking like they could have a real fight is, Maybe to much time spent in places with the lower levels of society where such things are common place.
The_don1
31-10-2016
Originally Posted by James Frederick:
“Plus Owens doesn't have a much diffrent body shape than Dusty Big Boss Man Bam Bam and more and Owens looks more in shape on his worse day than Foley did on his best.”

And they are some of the best workers we have ever seen, Plus they had very long careers unlike some attitude talent who "looked like REAL men"
James Frederick
31-10-2016
Not to mention Russo was obesssed very obsessed with making Jeff Jarrett champion and top guy.

5ft 10 Jeff Jarret who weighed only a few pounds more than a Crusierweight.

In "real" men wrestling terms Jarrett was a very small guy who didn't look like he could beat anybody.

And unlike others in ring he was only ever OK not crap but nothing special a wrestler who should have been no more than a mid card act.
batdude_uk1
31-10-2016
If we are talking real men, who could win real fights, then that is only really Brock, and how fed up are we all of his matches??

So why would anyone want more people to be like him? Yes he looks scary, but he just doesn't excite in the ring anymore.
He does the same sort of match, no matter who his opponent is, I would much rather watch someone like KO, who can adapt in the ring, and produce different sort of matches depending on who his opponent is.
James Frederick
31-10-2016
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“If we are talking real men, who could win real fights, then that is only really Brock, and how fed up are we all of his matches??

So why would anyone want more people to be like him? Yes he looks scary, but he just doesn't excite in the ring anymore.
He does the same sort of match, no matter who his opponent is, I would much rather watch someone like KO, who can adapt in the ring, and produce different sort of matches depending on who his opponent is.”

The way Hazy and Russo talk someone like Bruce Lee and other martal arts masters would never win a real fight due to their size.

Lightweight boxers couldn't win a real fight againt a none trained bigger guy off the street.
The_don1
31-10-2016
Russo and his band of merry men sound no different then the previous generation did about their idea of what wrestling is and yet they moaned and bitched and said they did not get "it" and when the previous generation said they did not watch the current product they was call old fossils and dinosaurs etc, Well surprise surprise as happens quite often they are doing exactly what they moaned about others doing, We see it time and time again, People can just not accept change,

You see people moaning about the Premier League and how football was better in the old day,People moan about how their childhood was so much better then the current generations childhood (oh we use to go play out with our mates instead of sitting on the X Box etc),Previous Generations bang on about leaving doors open and knowing everyone's name etc.

Nostalgia is a wonderful thing, Its nice to look back every so often but many people seem not to look back every so often but live in nostalgia, things are not better or worse today, Its just different as when anything changes you will get more out of those changes if you embrace them instead of wallowing in the past
calderyon
31-10-2016
Originally Posted by Harris_07:
“I think/hope they're building up Charlotte's title reigns and PPV record for Bayley to get her big win at WM.

Given how fast things progress, I wouldn't be surprised if it happened at Survivor Series instead.”

I personally think they´re building Charlotte as the female Cena/Flair who is going to break the record of womens title reigns. Or even have break/tie her own fathers record and hold the womens title at least 16-17 times.

Meaning Charlotte is #1 and Sasha/Bayley are the contenders for that spot, but essentially and eventually always #2:s.
Joanne MA
31-10-2016
Has anybody here got any experience of going to WWE signings? There's one in London this Friday with Kevin Owens and it's from 3.30 - 5.30pm. He is one of my daughter's favourite wrestlers and she would really like to go. Does anyone know how popular these things are, what time she would have to arrive to meet him etc - the shop have said it's being done on a first come first served basis. We're about an hour away but I have no idea if people are likely to be queueing up all day or even camping out for this!
hazydayz
31-10-2016
I've been to many and yes there are people that camp outside and are there waiting for the stores to open. They usually operate on a wristband or sale of purchase but if they said first come first serve then I would definately get there early. If you don't have anything for him to sign they give you both a free autograph mat, infact I think all wrestlers sign one for you regardless, it's an A4 sheet with a WWE logo on it and a design on it, I'm pretty sure Kevin Owens will ask your daughter what her name is and personalise it. I would get there early.
CristalMeth
31-10-2016
Hi, does anyone know whether there are any signings in Glasgow next week? I'm not having any luck with Google. Thanks!
hazydayz
31-10-2016
Friday 4th Smyth's Toys Friern Barnet London from 3:30pm

Saturday 5th Game Trafford Centre
Manchester From 3:00pm

Monday 7th November Toys R Us Aberdeen From 4:00pm

Wednesday 9th November Smyth's Toys Birmingham from 3:30pm .


The one in Birmingham is The Miz. We now know Kevin Owens is in London. Not sure who is at Aberdeen or Manchester. Nothing for Glasgow so far. I'm sure more will be announced this week. Tesco and HMV have also done many signings in the past.
dazc
31-10-2016
Hell in a cell was good Owens vs Rollins was a great match the powerbom through table was sick sasha vs Charlotte will split opion I thought it was well done apart from finish just give credit to the women for putting their body on line also brock promo was funny 8/10 for hell in a cell
FMKK
31-10-2016
I wish Kevin Owens and Seth Rollins could learn about the concept of selling.
calderyon
31-10-2016
Apprently Sasha was supposed to win yesterday, but Vince changed the finish to start Bayley vs Charlotte early?

So where does that leave Sasha? Against Nia Jax?

http://www.wrestlinginc.com/wi/news/...-vs-charlotte/
LeeleeSTAR
31-10-2016
Originally Posted by calderyon:
“Apprently Sasha was supposed to win yesterday, but Vince changed the finish to start Bayley vs Charlotte early?

So where does that leave Sasha? Against Nia Jax?

http://www.wrestlinginc.com/wi/news/...-vs-charlotte/”

I hope not. Bayley needs to win the title at wrestlemania.
Joanne MA
31-10-2016
Originally Posted by hazydayz:
“I've been to many and yes there are people that camp outside and are there waiting for the stores to open. They usually operate on a wristband or sale of purchase but if they said first come first serve then I would definately get there early. If you don't have anything for him to sign they give you both a free autograph mat, infact I think all wrestlers sign one for you regardless, it's an A4 sheet with a WWE logo on it and a design on it, I'm pretty sure Kevin Owens will ask your daughter what her name is and personalise it. I would get there early.”

Thank You.
hazydayz
31-10-2016
Originally Posted by The_don1:
“Russo and his band of merry men sound no different then the previous generation did about their idea of what wrestling is and yet they moaned and bitched and said they did not get "it" and when the previous generation said they did not watch the current product they was call old fossils and dinosaurs etc, Well surprise surprise as happens quite often they are doing exactly what they moaned about others doing, We see it time and time again, People can just not accept change,

You see people moaning about the Premier League and how football was better in the old day,People moan about how their childhood was so much better then the current generations childhood (oh we use to go play out with our mates instead of sitting on the X Box etc),Previous Generations bang on about leaving doors open and knowing everyone's name etc.

Nostalgia is a wonderful thing, Its nice to look back every so often but many people seem not to look back every so often but live in nostalgia, things are not better or worse today, Its just different as when anything changes you will get more out of those changes if you embrace them instead of wallowing in the past”

You mention the Premier League. Football hasn't changed. The way football is played hasn't changed. Wrestling for decades, worked a certain way. Wrestling companies have changed that and the WWE is at the forefront of it. That is why you have people diving through ropes in every match. Finishers not actually finishing the match. Everyone obsessed with super kicks to the head. No one sells any moves. That's not how wrestling was done. When we say wrestling is not the same, it really isn't the same. The only thing that remains is the match ends in a pin or submission or count out, that's it.

And of course people are nostalgic about things and in many of those cases it's also true. For many people when they talk about the 'good old days', for many people they really were the good old days. The days when this country actually made things, where a man could get a job and support his family, a time when people really did know who their neighbours were, where kids could play on the street and there was none of this paranoia so it's not fair to judge people on that. When people spoke face to face and when you talk to someone face to face you know where you stand. I still see people going into the bank to pay their bills, they still want to talk face to face with someone, not worry about direct debits and internet billing.
FMKK
31-10-2016
Originally Posted by hazydayz:
“You mention the Premier League. Football hasn't changed. The way football is played hasn't changed. Wrestling for decades, worked a certain way. Wrestling companies have changed that and the WWE is at the forefront of it. That is why you have people diving through ropes in every match. Finishers not actually finishing the match. Everyone obsessed with super kicks to the head. No one sells any moves. That's not how wrestling was done. When we say wrestling is not the same, it really isn't the same. The only thing that remains is the match ends in a pin or submission or count out, that's it.

And of course people are nostalgic about things and in many of those cases it's also true. For many people when they talk about the 'good old days', for many people they really were the good old days. The days when this country actually made things, where a man could get a job and support his family, a time when people really did know who their neighbours were, where kids could play on the street and there was none of this paranoia so it's not fair to judge people on that. When people spoke face to face and when you talk to someone face to face you know where you stand. I still see people going into the bank to pay their bills, they still want to talk face to face with someone, not worry about direct debits and internet billing.”

I think Seth Rollins, Kevin Owens and that indy style they wrestle is the absolute worst. No selling, no sense that there is actually a fight or an issue going on. They look like two guys playing wrestler. It's hard to put my finger on it, but there's just a disconnect. I don't buy them when they talk, I don't buy them when they wrestle. Everything they do just seems meaningless because they do way too much. Just move after move after move.

Owens should be a midcard comedy heel, cause he can cut those promos. Rollins should be back in a team so he has an easy formula to follow. But Meltzer and the Reddit types think they're great workers.
stu64
31-10-2016
Give HIAC about a 6/7 out of 10. Owens/Rollins was the best match of the night for me, although bleacher report gave the Banks/Charlotte match a rating of A++ which is way over rated.

Don't get me wrong it was a very good match but it could of done without the very predicable and corny start with them pretending Banks would not continue. No need for it and it stopped a very good start to the match. Plus they got the result wrong yet again, much like the triple threat match at WM. The crowd yet again were super hot for Banks but by letting Charlotte win (again zzz) the crowd were flat at the end, much like WM. Having Banks retain the belt and standing the winner at the end would of been a better ending.

As for Roman Reigns, how many accolades did he not tap out to? Including one with him laying across the steps and having a chain in his mouth, yet a spear beats Rusev?! Stupid.
richie4eva
31-10-2016
Good morning everyone staying up
richie4eva
01-11-2016
Rare sighting of Sasha's other half there
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