World Wrestling Entertainment Discussion 42 (Spoilers)

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Harris_07

23-11-2016

Originally Posted by stu64:
“I am all for Lesnar losing like he did if it means he comes back without the Suplex City bullshit we all got bored off.

My only concern is that he is booked in for a house show in Mexico in a couple of weeks, where no doubt he will hit some suplexes and a F5 to win. I would much rather he waa kept away now until the Rumble itself”

I'd like to see Lesnar lose his shit and get DQ'd. Then he goes on to use weapons to take his anger out on his opponent. They could use the footage in a video package.

stu64

23-11-2016

Originally Posted by Harris_07:
“I'd like to see Lesnar lose his shit and get DQ'd. Then he goes on to use weapons to take his anger out on his opponent. They could use the footage in a video package.”

Yep but who knows how they will book him from now on. If anything they have wasted him since WM31 anyway, all the promos/matches have been the same.

Since his failed drug test, I think a lot of fans are just fed up of him now though and if anything Conor McGregor would be worth loads more to the WWE if they managed to get him at WM 33 next year. The thing with Conor to, if you offer him the right money, he would do anything.

Harris_07

23-11-2016

Originally Posted by stu64:
“Yep but who knows how they will book him from now on. If anything they have wasted him since WM31 anyway, all the promos/matches have been the same.

Since his failed drug test, I think a lot of fans are just fed up of him now though and if anything Conor McGregor would be worth loads more to the WWE if they managed to get him at WM 33 next year. The thing with Conor to, if you offer him the right money, he would do anything.”

I would absolutely welcome a change in Lesnar's matches. They're rather one dimensional. His domination was impressive, but since he overused the suplex, his matches have become very underwhelming. There's no imagination in his matches anymore. Shame really, because given his opponents (especially Rollins) he could've had some fantastic matches.

stu64

23-11-2016

Originally Posted by Harris_07:
“I would absolutely welcome a change in Lesnar's matches. They're rather one dimensional. His domination was impressive, but since he overused the suplex, his matches have become very underwhelming. There's no imagination in his matches anymore. Shame really, because given his opponents (especially Rollins) he could've had some fantastic matches.”

He has had some great matches since his return. The 1st match back with Cena, although he lost it was a very good match. The CM Punk match was one of the best matches of 2013, not only was the story great the match itself was perfect as you actually believed a few times Punk was going to win.

The triple threat match at the Royal Rumble, the HIAC and Summerslam match against Taker (forget the shit ending) and also the WM 31 match. All very good matches.

The Orton match at Summerslam was the biggest disappointment for me. It should of gone the same way of the Punk match, allowing Orton to look very strong but I would of had Goldberg come in and interfere at the end to allow the build up to their match to begin.

Yet all we got was a squash match that did nothing at all.

Harris_07

23-11-2016

Originally Posted by stu64:
“He has had some great matches since his return. The 1st match back with Cena, although he lost it was a very good match. The CM Punk match was one of the best matches of 2013, not only was the story great the match itself was perfect as you actually believed a few times Punk was going to win.

The triple threat match at the Royal Rumble, the HIAC and Summerslam match against Taker (forget the shit ending) and also the WM 31 match. All very good matches.

The Orton match at Summerslam was the biggest disappointment for me. It should of gone the same way of the Punk match, allowing Orton to look very strong but I would of had Goldberg come in and interfere at the end to allow the build up to their match to begin.

Yet all we got was a squash match that did nothing at all.”

I was thinking more along the lines of post WM31 (ever since he coined the phrase 'Suplex City'). His matches became very similar after that. Granted, his matches with Taker were good, but even then, most of his offence was Suplex-based and it got tiring.

I agree on the Orton match. Not the Goldberg interference, maybe a post-match assault.

I loved the Goldberg match. Seen it three times already. I'm hoping it's the catalyst that moves Lesnar away from the same old boring Suplex City crap. The man's a beast. Let him loose.

Hollie_Louise

24-11-2016

Lesnar (and Heyman's) story needs to evolve now. His special attraction star waned long ago and it's so boring. Heyman does his job well but I want more, I need more and he's capable of much more.

I've written a scenario for Lesnar and Goldberg from the night of the Royal Rumble through Wrestlemania. It's really long and I wouldn't blame people for not reading but I hope a couple do and think it's ok. Spoilered because it's long.

Spoiler

How Id Book The Revitalisation of Lesnar
I would have Lesnar unannounced for the Rumble match, have Heyman come out a few times talking about how Lesnar shows up where he wants to show up, we will find out if Lesnar is ready when we watch.

Royal Rumble
On the night, Lesnar comes out as #1. Throw out 4 mid to lower level stars who Lesnar can eliminate with relative ease, taking his time to toy with a couple but eliminating them before Goldberg's music hits as #6. They have a stand off before a bit of a brawl. As the other participants enter, Lesnar and Goldberg ignore them and fight each other only.

Goldberg would eliminate Lesnar which would send Lesnar into a destruction of ringside. Pulling people from the ring, putting them through announce, into the steps, into the set. He and Heyman would then walk backstage. Goldberg is in the final two when Lesnar appears through the crowd and beats the shit out of him as the eventual winner goes on to eliminate him. Lesnar isn't finished and mauls Goldberg through the backstage area and out into the street. The show would end with an F5 to Goldberg on top of a car with Lesnar standing tall on top of it.

The Aftermath
The following night on Raw, Foley would come out and suspend Lesnar for his attacks on roster members, staff, security (similar to his post WM31 situation). Stephanie would warn against pissing Lesnar off but allows Foley's decision to stand.

Midway through the show, the camera would pan backstage to show Lesnar walking through. As he gets to Gorilla, he beats down a few people in there before dragging one to the ring. He'd continue to dominate as more people try to stop him. This would continue until Fast Lane where he would walk out and challenge Goldberg to Wrestlemania. Steph is out and tells him and Heyman to leave the building ... F5 to Steph. Following the show, an article is uploaded to WWE.COM announcing that Lesnar has been released from his Raw contract.

From the following Tuesday, Lesnar would show up on Raw and some Smackdowns unpredictably. On the go home to Mania, Heyman comes out and warns that Lesnar will be at Wrestlemania and he will be beating the shit out of Bill Goldberg whether the WWE likes it or not. And if Bill Goldberg isn't at Wrestlemania, god help whoever gets in the way of the beast.

At Mania
Probably mid way through the show, Lesnar walks out and throws an announcer from their chair and sits in the ring. Heyman calls Goldberg out for a couple of minutes, WWE cut the mic, they take the cameras off Lesnar to the panel, Renee apologising etc. Shortly after, Renee announces that security are arriving but keeping the camera away. Goldberg's music hits and the camera pans back to screen where Goldberg is shown walking through backstage and the two go at it and Goldberg stands strong until.............

Gallows and Anderson run out and beat him down and The Club & Lesnar exchange looks, a nod of the head ends the segment

BRITLAND

24-11-2016

Anyone know the ticketmaster presale code for RAW & SD London?

dave_windows

24-11-2016

Originally Posted by Hollie_Louise:
“How Id Book The Revitalisation of Lesnar
I would have Lesnar unannounced for the Rumble match, have Heyman come out a few times talking about how Lesnar shows up where he wants to show up, we will find out if Lesnar is ready when we watch.

Royal Rumble
On the night, Lesnar comes out as #1. Throw out 4 mid to lower level stars who Lesnar can eliminate with relative ease, taking his time to toy with a couple but eliminating them before Goldberg's music hits as #6. They have a stand off before a bit of a brawl. As the other participants enter, Lesnar and Goldberg ignore them and fight each other only.

Goldberg would eliminate Lesnar which would send Lesnar into a destruction of ringside. Pulling people from the ring, putting them through announce, into the steps, into the set. He and Heyman would then walk backstage. Goldberg is in the final two when Lesnar appears through the crowd and beats the shit out of him as the eventual winner goes on to eliminate him. Lesnar isn't finished and mauls Goldberg through the backstage area and out into the street. The show would end with an F5 to Goldberg on top of a car with Lesnar standing tall on top of it.

The Aftermath
The following night on Raw, Foley would come out and suspend Lesnar for his attacks on roster members, staff, security (similar to his post WM31 situation). Stephanie would warn against pissing Lesnar off but allows Foley's decision to stand.

Midway through the show, the camera would pan backstage to show Lesnar walking through. As he gets to Gorilla, he beats down a few people in there before dragging one to the ring. He'd continue to dominate as more people try to stop him. This would continue until Fast Lane where he would walk out and challenge Goldberg to Wrestlemania. Steph is out and tells him and Heyman to leave the building ... F5 to Steph. Following the show, an article is uploaded to WWE.COM announcing that Lesnar has been released from his Raw contract.

From the following Tuesday, Lesnar would show up on Raw and some Smackdowns unpredictably. On the go home to Mania, Heyman comes out and warns that Lesnar will be at Wrestlemania and he will be beating the shit out of Bill Goldberg whether the WWE likes it or not. And if Bill Goldberg isn't at Wrestlemania, god help whoever gets in the way of the beast.

At Mania
Probably mid way through the show, Lesnar walks out and throws an announcer from their chair and sits in the ring. Heyman calls Goldberg out for a couple of minutes, WWE cut the mic, they take the cameras off Lesnar to the panel, Renee apologising etc. Shortly after, Renee announces that security are arriving but keeping the camera away. Goldberg's music hits and the camera pans back to screen where Goldberg is shown walking through backstage and the two go at it and Goldberg stands strong until.............

Gallows and Anderson run out and beat him down and The Club & Lesnar exchange looks, a nod of the head ends the segment”

What a shit story.

Lee_Smith2

24-11-2016

The Lesnar/Orton match was booked fine. That they didn't follow through on it at all is everything I detest about WWE's lazy ass storytelling. I'm surprised Orton didn't step in and demand better for his character.

That's one thing both Orton and Cena lack in comparison to the ones before them. Michaels, Jericho, HHH, Angle etc had either a better grasp on storytelling/character development or pushed for it more.

James Frederick

24-11-2016

As the Royal Rumble is a 4 hour event this year and they want to make it the biggest in a long time I wonder if they will do a Women's Royal Rumble Match.

With a few legends and one night NXT call ups they could find 15-20 women to do it.

CardioCortez

24-11-2016

Originally Posted by James Frederick:
“As the Royal Rumble is a 4 hour event this year and they want to make it the biggest in a long time I wonder if they will do a Women's Royal Rumble Match.

With a few legends and one night NXT call ups they could find 15-20 women to do it.”

I hope so.

SSL2010

25-11-2016

Originally Posted by Hollie_Louise:
“Lesnar (and Heyman's) story needs to evolve now. His special attraction star waned long ago and it's so boring. Heyman does his job well but I want more, I need more and he's capable of much more.

I've written a scenario for Lesnar and Goldberg from the night of the Royal Rumble through Wrestlemania. It's really long and I wouldn't blame people for not reading but I hope a couple do and think it's ok. Spoilered because it's long.

Spoiler

How Id Book The Revitalisation of Lesnar
I would have Lesnar unannounced for the Rumble match, have Heyman come out a few times talking about how Lesnar shows up where he wants to show up, we will find out if Lesnar is ready when we watch.

Royal Rumble
On the night, Lesnar comes out as #1. Throw out 4 mid to lower level stars who Lesnar can eliminate with relative ease, taking his time to toy with a couple but eliminating them before Goldberg's music hits as #6. They have a stand off before a bit of a brawl. As the other participants enter, Lesnar and Goldberg ignore them and fight each other only.

Goldberg would eliminate Lesnar which would send Lesnar into a destruction of ringside. Pulling people from the ring, putting them through announce, into the steps, into the set. He and Heyman would then walk backstage. Goldberg is in the final two when Lesnar appears through the crowd and beats the shit out of him as the eventual winner goes on to eliminate him. Lesnar isn't finished and mauls Goldberg through the backstage area and out into the street. The show would end with an F5 to Goldberg on top of a car with Lesnar standing tall on top of it.

The Aftermath
The following night on Raw, Foley would come out and suspend Lesnar for his attacks on roster members, staff, security (similar to his post WM31 situation). Stephanie would warn against pissing Lesnar off but allows Foley's decision to stand.

Midway through the show, the camera would pan backstage to show Lesnar walking through. As he gets to Gorilla, he beats down a few people in there before dragging one to the ring. He'd continue to dominate as more people try to stop him. This would continue until Fast Lane where he would walk out and challenge Goldberg to Wrestlemania. Steph is out and tells him and Heyman to leave the building ... F5 to Steph. Following the show, an article is uploaded to WWE.COM announcing that Lesnar has been released from his Raw contract.

From the following Tuesday, Lesnar would show up on Raw and some Smackdowns unpredictably. On the go home to Mania, Heyman comes out and warns that Lesnar will be at Wrestlemania and he will be beating the shit out of Bill Goldberg whether the WWE likes it or not. And if Bill Goldberg isn't at Wrestlemania, god help whoever gets in the way of the beast.

At Mania
Probably mid way through the show, Lesnar walks out and throws an announcer from their chair and sits in the ring. Heyman calls Goldberg out for a couple of minutes, WWE cut the mic, they take the cameras off Lesnar to the panel, Renee apologising etc. Shortly after, Renee announces that security are arriving but keeping the camera away. Goldberg's music hits and the camera pans back to screen where Goldberg is shown walking through backstage and the two go at it and Goldberg stands strong until.............

Gallows and Anderson run out and beat him down and The Club & Lesnar exchange looks, a nod of the head ends the segment

”

*yawn* boring.

HaloJoe

25-11-2016

Originally Posted by dave_windows:
“What a shit story.”

Indeed!

dave_windows

25-11-2016

Originally Posted by HaloJoe:
“Indeed!”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nR68CN4657E

DeathMagnetic

25-11-2016

I hope not. It'll be overkill otherwise.

batdude_uk1

25-11-2016

Originally Posted by DeathMagnetic:
“I hope not. It'll be overkill otherwise.”

You forget, with WWE, that word simply doesn't exist.

They think the more hours of television they put on, the better!

DanielF

25-11-2016

Originally Posted by dave_windows:
“What a shit story.”

FFS Hollie, you've made me agree with Dave

brb

25-11-2016

Bought tickets to Raw in may. The best seats I've ever bought for a WWE event before, so better be good! (I hope my interest in WWE lasts that long - I actually don't remember the last time I watched a Raw or Smackdown...).

dave_windows

25-11-2016

They wouldnt do a Diva rumble properly. Kicking a female under the bottom rope shouldnt mean eliminated.

stu64

26-11-2016

Got to feel for Cesaro. Not only has he had to fight Sheamus 100 times since returning from injury and then having to team up with Sheamus but in May next year the WWE are doing some live shows in Switzerland. So surely Cesaro would make it on to the promo poster?

Nope, not on there, yet Xavier Woods is on it twice lol. I can actually see Cesaro being released next summer, they really have never used him right.

dave_windows

26-11-2016

Why does nobody ever kick a fuss up about the Dec 1997 Raw where Shawn & Hunter made a mockery of the European Title?

Its the one where they lock up and Shawn plays dead so Hunter can run back and forth across the ring several times before pinning him. HBK fake cries then they mock Sarge for booking them to fight.

The_don1

26-11-2016

Originally Posted by dave_windows:
“Why does nobody ever kick a fuss up about the Dec 1997 Raw where Shawn & Hunter made a mockery of the European Title?

Its the one where they lock up and Shawn plays dead so Hunter can run back and forth across the ring several times before pinning him. HBK fake cries then they mock Sarge for booking them to fight.”

Because they know it's fake?

The_don1

26-11-2016

Originally Posted by dave_windows:
“They wouldnt do a Diva rumble properly. Kicking a female under the bottom rope shouldnt mean eliminated.”

Why would they not do it properly?

BRITLAND

26-11-2016

Originally Posted by brb:
“Bought tickets to Raw in may. The best seats I've ever bought for a WWE event before, so better be good! (I hope my interest in WWE lasts that long - I actually don't remember the last time I watched a Raw or Smackdown...).”

I bought a floor ticket for SD, hoping it's worth the money as I've wanted to experience floor seats for a while.

dave_windows

26-11-2016

Originally Posted by The_don1:
“Why would they not do it properly?”

Because everytime there has been a mini Rumble or a battle royal with a bunch of Divas WWE does this stupid thing where someone can be eliminated by getting kicked under the bottom rope.

Yet the men have to be thrown over the top rope.

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