Cesaro would be better off quitting and joining TNA. He'd probably get a better push than WWE will ever give him.

If it was me id put him on Smackdown and have him battle AJ Styles over the WWE Title.

So they cannot do something new? For example let the women headline a PPV?
Or hold the women's title match in Hell in The Cell, thats two things they have never done before

Oh Wait

Because he still lives in the Kelly Kelly era note how he still calls them Divas.

They can do HIAC but not a battle royal.

Actually missed he called them Diva's that really does explain an awful lot.

Traditionally the women would have gone through the bottom as there weren't enough of them skilled enough to take the bump going over the top properly.

Nowadays though, I'd assume that's not an issue and it's likely with the performance center they'd be well prepared for it.

Divas/Women its the same bloody thing. They are still females no matter what you call them.

So why do you use the word Diva?

Its been quite clear that WWE now regards them in a different way.

The changing of the division etc was quite clearly made on WWE tv.

For someone who likes to discuss it as "real" why are you not going along with the WWE in this?

Oh like its really going to matter on some internet message board.

It matters because it might explain why you think the women could not have a Royal Rumble match.

You are looking at them as Divas and not women and looking at them as part of the mid card level and not main event level as they now are

Jesus christ what is wrong with you. Call them divas, call they women it makes no difference. IT IS STILL A FEMALE MATCH FOR CHRIST SAKE!

The women have always been part of the mid card scene apart from the odd time Raw had a womens match as the main eent and the odd PPV where it went on last.

For you it seems oh no someone has a different opinion to you, cant have that so criticise them until they agree with you.

Are there actually 30 females in the company to have a Rumble match?

WWE probably would never do it because you cant have 2 Rumbles in the same PPV. There would be no time for the other matches.

Now you are coming up with a intelligent and logical reason not some outdated view because of the past when it's clear the woman's division has changed.

Things have changed now, The woman's division is no longer mid card

Just because it's something the WWE have never done before now clearly hold no substance because they have moved on in their thinking

The Rumble is 4 Hours from next year (6 inc pre show) so more than enough time and who said it has to be 30 Women they could easily find 15-20 Inc legends and NXT one night call ups.

There isn't one who couldn't take a over the top rope bump with maybe the expection of Eva Marie who could be thrown out by Nia Jax and have someone catch her or as part of her gimmick run away and eliminate herself.

I think 2 Rumbles might be overkill.

Look at how many fans used to shit on WWE doing 2 Elimination Chamber matches on the same PPV.

Times have changed

I don't recall people shitting on two Elimination Chamber matches personally.

There should be a Women's Royal Rumble next year to determine the #1 Contendership. There is more than enough time to give 15-20 women a Rumble match. It is 2 hours longer than it was in 2016 including pre-show which could easily have 3 matches on the 2 hour pre-show.

Last years match went an hour with 30 men. You're not having as many women in it so you're looking at 1/2 to 3/4 of that time depending on whether it's 15 or 20 women. Are you seriously suggesting they can't fit a 30-45 minute match on a six hour broadcast? You're taking a maximum 2 hours of a six hour broadcast leaving plenty of time to put 9 other title matches on. There is no timing reason why it can't happen.

Something I hope they do sort before Royal Rumble is the announce teams, preferably giving Saxton and Otunga the night off. You only need Mauro, JBL, Cole and Graves, the other two bring very little to the table.

If enough people are paying for it they will do it. The Royal Rumble is not aimed at casual fans, the only PPV that is aimed at casual fans is Wrestlemania.


To this day I know people that watch recordings back and what do they do? They skip to the end of the last match. And even during the big booms of the Atittude Era and the 80's Golden Era I knew people that did the same. Just tell me the finish. Fast forward to the last match and let me see how it ends. Wrestling shows for 3 and 4 and 5 and 6 hours, that's a hell of a long time out of your day. With the Network people can do that anytime, they don't need to watch it live, they can skip to any match they watch and skip what they don't want. The only way it would be a problem is if you plan on watching it live and you don't want to sit for that length of time.

You seem to be confusing what you do with what everyone else does

With today's binge watching mentality 3/4 hours of solid watching of a show is not really a massive investment

Agreed. In 30 years of watching I've never known anyone who did that.

It isn't a long time if it's a one off but when they want you to do it every 4 weeks on top of 5 hours a week of Raw and Smackdown, another 3 hours of NXT, Main Event and Superstars it's just far too much. Even if you watch Raw and Smackdown only. That's a good 20 hours a month. In one month that is more than 1 season of any TV show. In one month and times that by 12. Far too much and I know it's far too much. Even the Sky Sports ratings compared to last year have fallen off a cliff. Hardly anyone watching Raw live anymore in the UK and they will never get above a 3.0 on a regular basis ever again in America. The more time goes on the less people that will watch.

I've been watching 30 years also and I can tell you one thing, the only wrestlers people tend to care about are the ones in the main event. It's always been like that and always will be like that.

I guarantee you the first thing any casual fan will ask after this event is, who won the Rumble and did anyone return? That's all they will care about. All WWE is now is just matches, like every other company. You would need to be an absolute die hard fan to sit through all those hours when literally nothing happens, the same matches over and over, nothing new happening and at the end of the day the only thing that even matters is the winner of the Rumble and everyone knows Goldberg and Lesnar will be among the last 4, there's not even any surprises as to who will be the last in the ring, you know who's gonna be in at the end.

I've watched more than that today watching some old stuff on The Network right now.

And you genuinely enjoy it all? You can sit in front of a screen for hours on end watching staged fights?


You know Vince Russo made a point last week about if a man is edging towards 40 what their priorities in life you should be and if you are in your 30s heading towards 40, wrestling really shouldnt be on your priorities list, there should be more important things in your life. It's probably time to sit down and have a heart to heart with a friend or family member and work out what's important in life.


If people wanna spend that many hours a week watching wrestling there's not a lot else i can say. I'm hoping by the time I reach 40 that I at least have a girlfriend and a pretty quiet life where I have enough money to live off. I would like to see more of the world. I would like to do a lot of things. Let me tell you one thing, sitting in front of a screen for even 2 hours a day is not something i plan on doing. I can't do it and the older I get let me tell you, i'm not wasting the only life i have on something that isn't real, that is never gonna affect my life in any way.

I don't think Vince Russo said anything out of the norm. It's not normal behaviour. It really isn't. Something has went wrong in their lifes. I think most people by the time they hit 30 are starting to think about what's important in life. Many wil be thinking of marriage and kids and having a home and settling down. You're only here once. You only live once. I couldn't imagine being 50 or 60 years old and looking back and thinking ffs what did i do with my life. What the hell was I doing for all those years and that's how WWE makes money. I read the other day that the April UK tour is even more expensive. The cheapest seats now for house shows are £45 and £95 for ringside. Talk about milking people dry. It's one thing for a 35 year old man to do it but when the show is a kids show, it's aimed at kids and you have families that would like to go but can't afford it i really start worrying.


And ask yourselves that in future. After sitting through Raw for 3 hours and Smackdown for 2 hours and now this PPV at 4 hours and then 6 hours if you add the pre show and post show. Vince Russo was spot on about this, then again he's married with 3 kids, I don't think anyone here is married or has kids but the point is, ask yourself....am i any better off for watching this? Has this changed my life? Am i any happier 3 hours on than I was 3 hours ago? Or is it 3 hours wasted in your life. There's no need for any wrestling match to be longer than 10 minutes. Add all that up. That is some amount of time in your life gone that you're not gonna get back. Time that coulda be spent in other ways. Maybe it's different being a family man, I don't know but I can see his point. I think some people just genuinely don't have anything else going on. Wrestling is their life. That's the main thing and if you are over a certain age, it really shouldn't be.

I'd do this for the Number 1 Contendership with 15 women (Sasha, Bayley, Nia, Alicia, Dana, Emmalina, Carmella, Nikki, Natalya, Alexa, Naomi plus 4 legends/NXT call ups (Mickie James springs to mind)) then have Charlotte face Becky elsewhere on the card in a Champion vs Champion match.

Unless it was HIAC matches. Multiple ones on the same PPV shouldnt be happening. They never feel important.

Nobody watches recordings and skips to the end of the match. Sure Ill skip the boring HHH/Steph 15 min promos but I never skip the matches to the end.