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World Wrestling Entertainment Discussion 42 (Spoilers)
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dave_windows
01-12-2016
Originally Posted by Lee_Smith2:
“Wouldn't Balor have a instant title shot anyway, on account of never losing?

I think Jericho vs. Owens could take place @ WM. There's a lot of potential there, especially if management let them more or less book it themselves.”

I dont think so no. Theres been a few guys over the years I think who never got their rematch for the WWE Title after losing it.
dave_windows
01-12-2016
Originally Posted by CardioCortez:
“I think they'll be at least three women's match on the Mania card.

Sasha Vs Bayley
Becky Vs Nikki
Charlotte Vs ? (Stephanie?)

Maybe even some sort of women's battle royal to get the rest on the card?”

They could always go for Flair's Kid vs Bayley vs Sasha.
dave_windows
01-12-2016
Not sure if anyone else has been watching the repeated series of Steve Austins Broken Skull Challenge but been really enjoying the series so far.

For people who dont know its a game show alough others will probably claim its a reality show like Fear Factor hosted by ex WWE Wrestler Steve Austin and its in the outback of Texas in the middle of nowhere, 86 degrees some day and you start with 8 people till you wind down to 4 and then 2 and the winner has to take on a skullbuster get the best time to win 10 grand which is a assault course.

On Mondays edition there was this model who appeared on it, the game they played is 2 contestants hold a rope which is shaped like a ring and basically you have to pull it off the other person so whoevers got a strong grip will win. Now this model when they fell out of the sand pit they had to restart and the Model looked as if she wasent try which seemed odd then suddenly she punches the rope into the other contests face and you guessed it she won.

Now by right these type of shows dont allow these things to happen. Take gladiators for instance would they allow a contestant or gladiator to punch the other one in the face? No of course hot, even stuff like hang tough you arent allowed to kick and yeah I know theres a difference between america and the UK even though in other shows you arent allowed to kick or punch so rightfully the model should have been Disqualified for that so not sure why Steve let it slide.
The_don1
01-12-2016
Originally Posted by dave_windows:
“Not sure if anyone else has been watching the repeated series of Steve Austins Broken Skull Challenge but been really enjoying the series so far.

For people who dont know its a game show alough others will probably claim its a reality show like Fear Factor hosted by ex WWE Wrestler Steve Austin and its in the outback of Texas in the middle of nowhere, 86 degrees some day and you start with 8 people till you wind down to 4 and then 2 and the winner has to take on a skullbuster get the best time to win 10 grand which is a assault course.

On Mondays edition there was this model who appeared on it, the game they played is 2 contestants hold a rope which is shaped like a ring and basically you have to pull it off the other person so whoevers got a strong grip will win. Now this model when they fell out of the sand pit they had to restart and the Model looked as if she wasent try which seemed odd then suddenly she punches the rope into the other contests face and you guessed it she won.

Now by right these type of shows dont allow these things to happen. Take gladiators for instance would they allow a contestant or gladiator to punch the other one in the face? No of course hot, even stuff like hang tough you arent allowed to kick and yeah I know theres a difference between america and the UK even though in other shows you arent allowed to kick or punch so rightfully the model should have been Disqualified for that so not sure why Steve let it slide.”

Was it stated in the rules that she was not allowed to do that?
dave_windows
01-12-2016
Originally Posted by The_don1:
“Was it stated in the rules that she was not allowed to do that?”

Ive no idea. I dont think the viewers were ever told the rules. Surely its common sense you cant punch or kick.
The_don1
01-12-2016
Originally Posted by dave_windows:
“Ive no idea. I dont think the viewers were ever told the rules. Surely its common sense you cant punch or kick.”

Not really

Unless it is not in the rules you can do anything within reason.
DanielF
01-12-2016
Originally Posted by The_don1:
“Not really

Unless it is not in the rules you can do anything within reason.”

Next time: out comes a machete!

(I always thought it possible in the US that in a non-dq match all someone needed to do was bring a gun...)
dave_windows
01-12-2016
Originally Posted by DanielF:
“Next time: out comes a machete!

(I always thought it possible in the US that in a non-dq match all someone needed to do was bring a gun...)”

I always loved Jesse Ventura's commentary on Summerslam 89 on the Warrior/Rude match when talking to Schavoine and he made a point of you can shoot somebody outside the ring and not get DQ'ed because as long as its outside the ring the ref dont care.

I know he was only joking but it was quite funny.
JCR
01-12-2016
Meltzer is saying WWE are offering most UK wrestlers money not to do World of Sport.

Originally Posted by Dave Meltzer:
“WWE vs. ITV is already brewing behind-the-scenes. ITV has recently sent all their talent amendment to their contracts that wouldn’t allow anyone appearing on those shows to do television on major stations. Those contracts would not prevent the ITV talent from appearing for other companies, nor from appearing on iPPV or streaming services for other companies. However, the contracts would give ITV first dibs on the talent, similar to TNA. There is already talk of doing house shows if the first season is a success. If that’s the case, they would have the right to book the talent on their shows, and if the talent would have made other bookings on those dates, they would have to cancel.

WWE at the same time is starting to offer unique contracts to the key U.K. wrestlers who are marketable or have some name value that don’t already have deals. The deals were described as different from anything they’ve done in the past. These are not main roster deals, nor developmental deals. Those in the U.K., and for that matter even some in WWE who are friends with talent that have been offered the deals, have termed then “competition-killer” deals. They are low dollar guarantees, the talent would stay in the U.K. and be allowed to continue to work indies, but now would have a small cushion. The key would be in locking the talent down to where they can’t go to the ITV promotion, but would also not be allowed to appear for promotions like WCPW (a group that spends big money for foreign talent and does its own Internet weekly television show and iPPV shows), or with promotions that have streaming services. The contracts would give WWE the right to approve or not approve of their indie dates”

Goes on to say nearly everyone in ICW has been offered this. Controversy ahead methinks.

Everybody's got a price.
DejaVoodoo
01-12-2016
From this week's Wrestling Observer Newsletter

Quote:
“What could be a major promotional war is brewing behind the scenes, and the battleground looks to be the U.K.

The recent television pilot that was taped for a revival of ITV’s World of Sport is scheduled to air at the end of the month. While ITV has not officially announced a pick-up of the series, there have been moves made behind-the-scenes which indicate such a thing is strongly being considered, with the idea of a massive taping in a few months where they may do as many as ten weeks worth of shows at once, somewhat similar to how TNA has been doing.

The difference between this project and TNA ends there. ITV is the No. 2 network in the U.K., and the World of Sport pilot will likely be viewed by millions of people. Keep in mind that Raw on Sky may do 150,000 viewers.

While WWE has nearly three decades as the dominant pro wrestling organization in that country, and even with television being limited to a subscription channel as opposed to a major free station, they are far more popular than in the U.S. and in general, draw bigger crowds at far higher ticket prices. The idea that ratings in and of themselves are a predictor of a level of business success has always been a fallacy in pro wrestling, and even if the ITV show does 20 times the number of viewers, that doesn’t mean the wrestlers pushed on those shows will have the marketability to pull numbers at house shows or sell merchandise.

However, WWE is hardly going to sit back as the business changes in 2017, whether it’s an ITV-led promotion, or a FloSlam streaming service, or even a rise in underground promotions in the U.S. that are garnering cult followings. It’s not a secret that WWE is going to be more aggressive in signing talent, whether it be it sees things in that talent, or, as some have said in the U.K. scene based on recent deals offered, just to keep talent away from potential competitors and building up smaller companies.

WWE vs. ITV is already brewing behind-the-scenes. ITV has recently sent all their talent amendment to their contracts that wouldn’t allow anyone appearing on those shows to do television on major stations. Those contracts would not prevent the ITV talent from appearing for other companies, nor from appearing on iPPV or streaming services for other companies. However, the contracts would give ITV first dibs on the talent, similar to TNA. There is already talk of doing house shows if the first season is a success. If that’s the case, they would have the right to book the talent on their shows, and if the talent would have made other bookings on those dates, they would have to cancel.

WWE at the same time is starting to offer unique contracts to the key U.K. wrestlers who are marketable or have some name value that don’t already have deals. The deals were described as different from anything they’ve done in the past. These are not main roster deals, nor developmental deals. Those in the U.K., and for that matter even some in WWE who are friends with talent that have been offered the deals, have termed then “competition-killer” deals. They are low dollar guarantees, the talent would stay in the U.K. and be allowed to continue to work indies, but now would have a small cushion. The key would be in locking the talent down to where they can’t go to the ITV promotion, but would also not be allowed to appear for promotions like WCPW (a group that spends big money for foreign talent and does its own Internet weekly television show and iPPV shows), or with promotions that have streaming services. The contracts would give WWE the right to approve or not approve of their indie dates.

Some of the names offered deals are fairly well known in the U.K. hardcore community, while others really have no name value at all. Many had prior tryouts with WWE and they weren’t at the time interested in picking them up. A major percentage of those who tried out a few weeks ago at the SSE Hydro in Glasgow were offered these type of deals. It would enable the talent involved that is struggling to make a living in wrestling, most having other jobs, to have a little big of a cushion to pursue their wrestling, and since the dream of most is WWE since that is what they grew up on, there is that emotional leverage of a WWE offer as opposed to going with a small company with no stability or a newer company that may or may not have longevity.

The WWE has already asked for everyone’s names and started to do background checks, and have told people to clean up their social media accounts, but haven’t offered the actual physical contracts yet.

There are ideas hinted around, perhaps another television show featuring the contracted U.K. talent for that market only. The idea is that just being associated with a WWE product would increase the marketability of such talent on the U.K. scene.

At the same time, several of the key U.K. promotions have had contact from both FloSlam and WWE regarding being part of their streaming services. The key promotions, Revolution Pro, Progress, ICW and WCPW have their own streaming service. WCPW is backed by the What Culture site and thus has strong financial backing and thus would be unlikely to sign up with either side. Revolution Pro, which has some of the hottest and best action at its big shows, and uses top American indie wrestlers as well as stars from New Japan, would have at least some international appeal as a streaming show given both the names and in time, potential due to show quality. The thing working against anyone new getting past a certain level of exposure is that with the amount of product that WWE puts out, and it being the major league group, unless it’s someone who has no interest in WWE or lives and dies with pro wrestling, there aren’t enough hours in the day for even following another strong product.

At this point, neither the WWE Network nor FloSlam have reached a deal with any of the key U.K. groups. WWE did work with both Progress and Revolution Pro in qualifying matches for the Cruiserweight Classic.

At the ICW show in Glasgow, the WWE contracts were major talk, and the peer group pressure was to not sign with people calling them “mark deals,” with the idea that “They don’t want you, they just don’t want anyone else to have you.””

dave_windows
01-12-2016
As noted, the Talking Stick Resort Arena in Phoenix announced this week that they will be hosting the WWE Elimination Chamber pay-per-view in 2017. No other details were provided but word now is that it will be a RAW-exclusive event on February 12th.

SmackDown will then have their Fastlane pay-per-view on March 5th from the BMO Harris Bank Center in Milwaukee.

The Wrestling Observer Newsletter reports that they were given a list of 18 planned pay-per-view dates for 2017. The last number WWE publicized was 19. There was serious talk of cutting back to 16 events in 2017, which would mean changes to the current plans.

The original plan was for Extreme Rules and Money In the Bank to be exclusive to SmackDown. The changes in plans may or may not effect those two shows but the information for Elimination Chamber and Fastlane has been confirmed.
dave_windows
01-12-2016
There's been a lot of speculation on WWE possibly bringing indie wrestling content to the WWE Network after a few Fan Council surveys were issued this year to gauge interest, specifically mentioning promotions like Ring of Honor, EVOLVE, CZW and several others.

It looks like indies will be coming to the WWE Network soon as Vince McMahon has decided that he does want at least some "hot indies" on the Network, according to Dave Meltzer on Wrestling Observer Radio.

WWE issued a survey earlier this fall that included potential price points of $4.99, $9.99 and $14.99. Promotions listed in that survey were TNA and ROH. They issued another survey this fall that asked fans which promotions they were watching - PWG, CHIKARA, EVOLVE, DGUSA, OVW, AAW, CZW, Shimmer, SCW, ROH and FIP.

No word yet on when we may see indies on the Network or which promotions may sign deals with WWE but Meltzer believes the next few months will be very interesting for the business with potential changes. He also speculated on WWE forming alliances with other promotions, similar to what they have done with WWN Live over the past year.
CardioCortez
01-12-2016
Originally Posted by dave_windows:
“They could always go for Flair's Kid vs Bayley vs Sasha.”

That does make the most sense but I think they're going to have some 1 on 1s this time after Triple H being constantly asked about the lack of singles women's matches at Mania. Who knows? They'll probably do the triple threat like you said.
Harris_07
01-12-2016
Who would be your 5 legendary or surprise names to enter the Royal Rumble?

I'll go with Mr Kennedy, Jeff Hardy, John Morrison, The Great Khali and Scott Steiner.
TheTrader78
01-12-2016
Originally Posted by Harris_07:
“Who would be your 5 legendary or surprise names to enter the Royal Rumble?

I'll go with Mr Kennedy, Jeff Hardy, John Morrison, The Great Khali and Scott Steiner.”

Kurt Angle
CM Punk
Taker
The Rock
Papa Shango
gother
02-12-2016
Kurt Angel
Matt Hardy
Spike Dudley
Vampyro (is he even still alive?)
Batista
Harris_07
02-12-2016
I forgot about Kurt Angle! I'd have him instead of Mr. Kennedy.
seibu
02-12-2016
At this point WWE only exist to stop other promotions existing.

And of course to produce the dullest pro wrestling humanity has ever seen.
whedon247
02-12-2016
Originally Posted by seibu:
“At this point WWE only exist to stop other promotions existing.

And of course to produce the dullest pro wrestling humanity has ever seen.”

SS wasnt dull
FusionFury
02-12-2016
Re-watching the 90s when wrestling was cool.

WCW, WWE and ECW in their pomps.

Amazing time to be alive. The youngsters of today don't know how good wrestling was back in the day.. when competition still existed.

I think WCW was very underrated, it was on terrestrial TV in the UK and was only the means many was able to watch wrestling. It might not have produced the best wrestling shows, but the WWE needed them so they was more important than people think.
Adamsk
02-12-2016
The Indys and Wos are no threat too WWE the only threat too WWE is if NWA get more money again and Their NWA 24/7 is doing okay after it first run and resurrects the territory days again.And people in American get fond of wrestling again and see WWE as not the number one company anymore too make money and too work anymore somewhere else too go.And somebody like Ted Turner comes along again spends money on it and give out contracts or get big on Netflex and Ammzon prime for one and that would be a really bother for WWE with it rating low as it been since 1996.
dave_windows
02-12-2016
Originally Posted by Harris_07:
“Who would be your 5 legendary or surprise names to enter the Royal Rumble?

I'll go with Mr Kennedy, Jeff Hardy, John Morrison, The Great Khali and Scott Steiner.”

Are we talking alive or deceased because it was both id have Hogan, Warrior, Savage, Sammartino & Perfect.
dave_windows
02-12-2016
Originally Posted by FusionFury:
“I think WCW was very underrated, it was on terrestrial TV in the UK and was only the means many was able to watch wrestling. It might not have produced the best wrestling shows, but the WWE needed them so they was more important than people think.”

The problem I had with WCW Worldwide on terrestrial TV was them deliberately cutting stuff to fill a 40 minute time slot. Irritated me no end when the americans had a hour timeslot.

Even then ITV would keep changing the times and cutting time.
The Amazing
02-12-2016
WCW Worldwide eventually found its way onto Channel 5 at 7pm on Fridays. It became part of our household's core TV viewing for the evening along with Bits and Vids.
dave_windows
02-12-2016
Originally Posted by The Amazing:
“WCW Worldwide eventually found its way onto Channel 5 at 7pm on Fridays. It became part of our household's core TV viewing for the evening along with Bits and Vids.”

WCW Worldwide wasent the same when Channel 5 aired it as it was just Nitro clips with the odd Saturday Night match. I think the US Worldwide version from this time was completely different. I never found the Batman captions funny either.

I remember one show in 1992 on ITV only lasting 35 minutes they sliced 3 breaks in that time and all we got was Nikita Koloff vs Jake Roberts & Ricky Steamboat defending the Television Title against Scott Steiner.
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