Originally Posted by Neppy:
“Well those three will never be big names, lmao.”
“Well those three will never be big names, lmao.”
Who will be then?
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Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“Who will be then?”
“Who will be then?”
No one from this era. All such forgettable characters and names.
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“I was just thinking about the future, you know how stars such as The Rock, HHH, and Brock are all still considered bug names worth going after especially come Wrestlemania time, in five or ten years say, when they will not really be able to go any more, who from this current generation will be their equivalent?
Will we see Kevin Owens, The Miz, or say Samoa Joe be persuaded to come back for a big pay day on the "Grandest Stage of them All!!"?”
“I was just thinking about the future, you know how stars such as The Rock, HHH, and Brock are all still considered bug names worth going after especially come Wrestlemania time, in five or ten years say, when they will not really be able to go any more, who from this current generation will be their equivalent?
Will we see Kevin Owens, The Miz, or say Samoa Joe be persuaded to come back for a big pay day on the "Grandest Stage of them All!!"?”
We won't because none of those guys are draws or stars.
Originally Posted by Lee_Smith2:
“To be honest that time might be at least a creative golden age compared to the last few years. At the time though I'd burnt out on binge watching too many hours of pro wrestling. Especially with how many matches, heel/face turns, title changes, backstage angles they'd been.
Didn't really like the Austin heel turn, was shocked by how quickly they ran through the long awaited promotion war and then they tried to pass Flair off as owning the company. Generally it was just an overexposed TV product, for me anyway.
Royal Rumble 2002 ended up on Setanta Sports, which doesn't exist now. I think C4/T4 expected the early 90's cartoonish version of wrestling. But they got something much more edgy and confrontational in tone. AKA WWF Attitude in all its titty flashing, blading and mild swearing glory!”
“To be honest that time might be at least a creative golden age compared to the last few years. At the time though I'd burnt out on binge watching too many hours of pro wrestling. Especially with how many matches, heel/face turns, title changes, backstage angles they'd been.
Didn't really like the Austin heel turn, was shocked by how quickly they ran through the long awaited promotion war and then they tried to pass Flair off as owning the company. Generally it was just an overexposed TV product, for me anyway.
Royal Rumble 2002 ended up on Setanta Sports, which doesn't exist now. I think C4/T4 expected the early 90's cartoonish version of wrestling. But they got something much more edgy and confrontational in tone. AKA WWF Attitude in all its titty flashing, blading and mild swearing glory!”
There was no Armageddon in 2001, due to 9/11. That was replaced by Vengeance. The Rumble, along with Backlash, Vengeance were shown on Box Office in 2002 and 2003. Armageddon was also on Box Office in 2002, but not shown at all in 2003. Setanta showed a few events in 2004. Sky have had full rights since 2005.
Originally Posted by Hollie_Louise:
“It is a great analogy. Old school Nokia's were great in their time but their time has gone and people now expect more from their phones. The reason Nokia/Windows Phone now has less than 5% of the market share when 20-30 years ago it was probably the brand with the biggest share of the market is it failed to do what it needed to, it failed to move with the times. And when it did, Apple and Samsung had already innovated.
So I agree it's a great analogy. The times hazy wants back is Nokia, a piece of nostalgia that almost everybody looks back on as a great time. Apple is the WWE of today who saw what they needed to do to get with the times but ultimately could do better.”
“It is a great analogy. Old school Nokia's were great in their time but their time has gone and people now expect more from their phones. The reason Nokia/Windows Phone now has less than 5% of the market share when 20-30 years ago it was probably the brand with the biggest share of the market is it failed to do what it needed to, it failed to move with the times. And when it did, Apple and Samsung had already innovated.
So I agree it's a great analogy. The times hazy wants back is Nokia, a piece of nostalgia that almost everybody looks back on as a great time. Apple is the WWE of today who saw what they needed to do to get with the times but ultimately could do better.”
do smartphones bring back nokia features because noone cares about their own newer apps?
maybe it wasnt so great after all......
Originally Posted by Neppy:
“No one from this era. All such forgettable characters and names.”
“No one from this era. All such forgettable characters and names.”
Originally Posted by FMKK:
“We won't because none of those guys are draws or stars.”
“We won't because none of those guys are draws or stars.”
Okay then.......going by that logic, does that mean the next generation will be heading the big four then, and no part timers will be brought back, seeing as none of these people are stars or draws?
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“I was just thinking about the future, you know how stars such as The Rock, HHH, and Brock are all still considered bug names worth going after especially come Wrestlemania time, in five or ten years say, when they will not really be able to go any more, who from this current generation will be their equivalent?”
“I was just thinking about the future, you know how stars such as The Rock, HHH, and Brock are all still considered bug names worth going after especially come Wrestlemania time, in five or ten years say, when they will not really be able to go any more, who from this current generation will be their equivalent?”
Cena, probably.
Originally Posted by Joooe:
“Bailey vs Paige in a bra and panties match? I can't lie, that would probably get me watching again.
It's easy to see why people miss the the old-school stuff, it was a lot more fun than WWE right now.”
“Bailey vs Paige in a bra and panties match? I can't lie, that would probably get me watching again.
It's easy to see why people miss the the old-school stuff, it was a lot more fun than WWE right now.”
Shame you have to get a stupid writer feeding it to Banks to slag it off.
Originally Posted by DeathMagnetic:
“There was no Armageddon in 2001, due to 9/11. That was replaced by Vengeance. The Rumble, along with Backlash, Vengeance were shown on Box Office in 2002 and 2003. Armageddon was also on Box Office in 2002, but not shown at all in 2003. Setanta showed a few events in 2004. Sky have had full rights since 2005.”
“There was no Armageddon in 2001, due to 9/11. That was replaced by Vengeance. The Rumble, along with Backlash, Vengeance were shown on Box Office in 2002 and 2003. Armageddon was also on Box Office in 2002, but not shown at all in 2003. Setanta showed a few events in 2004. Sky have had full rights since 2005.”
That bugged a hell of alot of people when neither Sky or Channel 4 aired it. Mind you didnt seem much interesting. Kane/Goldberg/HHH wasent very appealing.
Miz & Tye Dillinger have been exchanging words on Twitter.
Maybe they plan on moving him to Smackdown soon.
Maybe they plan on moving him to Smackdown soon.
Originally Posted by whedon247:
“do smartphones bring back nokia features because noone cares about their own newer apps?
maybe it wasnt so great after all......”
“do smartphones bring back nokia features because noone cares about their own newer apps?
maybe it wasnt so great after all......”
Yeah, just because the way of doing things now is new or different doesn't actually mean that it's better. That's why WWE has no stars in 2016.
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“Okay then.......going by that logic, does that mean the next generation will be heading the big four then, and no part timers will be brought back, seeing as none of these people are stars or draws?”
“Okay then.......going by that logic, does that mean the next generation will be heading the big four then, and no part timers will be brought back, seeing as none of these people are stars or draws?”
Well they're going to have to because historically shit booking relying on Attitude Era relics to pop buyrates over and over again has led to lost generations of over main eventers. Bringing Kevin Owens or some such geek back in 2026 is in no way as effective as bringing back The Rock in 2012.
That's what wrestling used to be Joe. It used to be fun.
Kevin Owens and Samoa Joe are chancers. Chancers that got lucky. Nothing more than fat overweight men that got lucky. Go and find a friend or family member and sit them down in front of the TV and you watch their reaction. That right there tells me you never lived through the good years of wrestling. If you think those men are anywhere near being stars you have not seen wrestling at it's best and it's not even worth your while getting the Network. Don't even bother watching old footage because it's not the same as living through it. It's like David Bowie and Madonna, if you didn't see them in their prime forget about it. Some things in life man.......you just don't get it unless you were there. You just wont get it at all.
And the Nokia and the Iphone. The WWE is definately the Nokia. The WWE was doing cartoony staged fights in 1994, in 2016 they still do it. If we look at TV in 1994 and we look at comedy, mystery, drama, science fiction, you will see a massive jump, a massive difference in the quality. Every other genre in Television has advanced, even sport, you wanna talk about sport 10, 15, 20 years ago? More people than ever are watching live sport. None of this rubbish about DVRs and phones no no no no no........people actually sitting in front of their TV watching TV and it's the same with drama, comedy, science fiction, horror, millions of people watching their TV because it's too good to DVR. DVR is like playing the radio in the shower. It's background noise. If you really loved wrestling that much and enjoyed it, you'd watch it live. People saying they DVR says all anyone needs to know..........it's just not good enough for you to sit up during the night watching it and many do. James is one here that seems to watch it 24/7 so if James can do it i'm sure you all could too. But you wont will you? Cause deep down you know I'm right. If you liked it that much you'd watch it live and you're not alone, many people think the same way. That's what people do when they are really into something, they watch the first run.
The WWE is nothing but wrestling on TV. Sure their company is doing many different things but it's wrestling. I can assure you until the day I die it always be known as a wrestling company. WWF is wrestling and it will always be wrestling to people and that's what they show.
Wrestlers talking in a ring.
Wrestlers wrestling in a ring.
Wrestlers signing contracts in a ring.
Matches being made by GMS in a ring or in the arena.
Everything revolves around wrestling. Unless you are a wrestling fan, you're not gonna sit and watch it. You just aren't. Matches that go on for 5 and 10 and 15 minutes. There's no need and that's what happens in a wrestling company where the people running it only know wrestling. That's why less and less people are watching it on TV, did you see the arena Raw was in this week? Did you see how close the stage was to the ring? They're not in the big arenas anymore. Smackdown is drawing terrible attendances. You are fooling yourself if you think they are bringing in new viewers. They're driving them away, just like they did in 1993,1994,1995 with the same cartoonish, insult to your intelligence carnival style wrestling. It's like comparing Mickey Mouse to Queen Elsa. Queen Elsa is the bomb compared to Mickey Mouse. WWE still thinks Mickey Mouse works and it doesn't and maybe if the McMahons lived in the real world and watched TV they would realise how silly it looks compared to everything else on TV at the time of night they are on. America has moved on big time. I'd say the same about the soaps over here. Eastenders and Coronation Street and Emmerdale and all the rest. People that are caked in makeup, talking like robots, no one swears, no one gets off with each other, no one does nothing to no one. Completely unrealistic and it sticks out like a sore thumb. Even the BBC lately, which I'm no fan of has been churning out some the best drama in the world, world class writing, world class actors, writing that doesn't insult you and half an hour before it it's a bunch of Londoners arguing over a pub or it's the Northerners that all live in the same street. Everythings in the street lol and it's still on TV. Complete fiction. It's almost pantomime. And it too sticks out like a sore thumb.
I hope the day comes when wrestling companies get with the times. When you fill your show with men and women wrestling and talking about wrestling and talking about belts and i'm gonna win this belt and that belt and do this and do that you have lost a lot of people's interest. When you understand that this is a show and they are actors and you treat it like a TV show and you have those actors doing many different things you will bring in a lot more viewers and people will respect it more. Lana is an actor doing her job. Roman Reigns is an actor doing his job. When they actually start treating it like a TV show and you add in storylines and characters and violence and sexuality and comedy and you have all these different things going on, rather than wrestling fans just watching wrestling matches, now you have many more people watching to see what's going on with everyone and in amongst that you can put a few wrestling matches here and there.
And going back to the women thing. Sex sells. Hot women sells your product. That's another fact of life. Don't think they don't know that. They have been castrated by their sponsors. Just because all the women cover themselves up and go on about matches, don't think that's WWE turned a corner. If they could get away with more sexuality they would. I hope they push Lana in that way and Emma next week. I think Eva Marie is great too and I would bet the farm that after a show is done, that's the women that are gonna be on the men's minds. Teenagers and adults. Those are the women that when they come out all the men and women in the audience stand up because you just don't see women like that in real life. They look like stars.
Kevin Owens and Samoa Joe are chancers. Chancers that got lucky. Nothing more than fat overweight men that got lucky. Go and find a friend or family member and sit them down in front of the TV and you watch their reaction. That right there tells me you never lived through the good years of wrestling. If you think those men are anywhere near being stars you have not seen wrestling at it's best and it's not even worth your while getting the Network. Don't even bother watching old footage because it's not the same as living through it. It's like David Bowie and Madonna, if you didn't see them in their prime forget about it. Some things in life man.......you just don't get it unless you were there. You just wont get it at all.
And the Nokia and the Iphone. The WWE is definately the Nokia. The WWE was doing cartoony staged fights in 1994, in 2016 they still do it. If we look at TV in 1994 and we look at comedy, mystery, drama, science fiction, you will see a massive jump, a massive difference in the quality. Every other genre in Television has advanced, even sport, you wanna talk about sport 10, 15, 20 years ago? More people than ever are watching live sport. None of this rubbish about DVRs and phones no no no no no........people actually sitting in front of their TV watching TV and it's the same with drama, comedy, science fiction, horror, millions of people watching their TV because it's too good to DVR. DVR is like playing the radio in the shower. It's background noise. If you really loved wrestling that much and enjoyed it, you'd watch it live. People saying they DVR says all anyone needs to know..........it's just not good enough for you to sit up during the night watching it and many do. James is one here that seems to watch it 24/7 so if James can do it i'm sure you all could too. But you wont will you? Cause deep down you know I'm right. If you liked it that much you'd watch it live and you're not alone, many people think the same way. That's what people do when they are really into something, they watch the first run.
The WWE is nothing but wrestling on TV. Sure their company is doing many different things but it's wrestling. I can assure you until the day I die it always be known as a wrestling company. WWF is wrestling and it will always be wrestling to people and that's what they show.
Wrestlers talking in a ring.
Wrestlers wrestling in a ring.
Wrestlers signing contracts in a ring.
Matches being made by GMS in a ring or in the arena.
Everything revolves around wrestling. Unless you are a wrestling fan, you're not gonna sit and watch it. You just aren't. Matches that go on for 5 and 10 and 15 minutes. There's no need and that's what happens in a wrestling company where the people running it only know wrestling. That's why less and less people are watching it on TV, did you see the arena Raw was in this week? Did you see how close the stage was to the ring? They're not in the big arenas anymore. Smackdown is drawing terrible attendances. You are fooling yourself if you think they are bringing in new viewers. They're driving them away, just like they did in 1993,1994,1995 with the same cartoonish, insult to your intelligence carnival style wrestling. It's like comparing Mickey Mouse to Queen Elsa. Queen Elsa is the bomb compared to Mickey Mouse. WWE still thinks Mickey Mouse works and it doesn't and maybe if the McMahons lived in the real world and watched TV they would realise how silly it looks compared to everything else on TV at the time of night they are on. America has moved on big time. I'd say the same about the soaps over here. Eastenders and Coronation Street and Emmerdale and all the rest. People that are caked in makeup, talking like robots, no one swears, no one gets off with each other, no one does nothing to no one. Completely unrealistic and it sticks out like a sore thumb. Even the BBC lately, which I'm no fan of has been churning out some the best drama in the world, world class writing, world class actors, writing that doesn't insult you and half an hour before it it's a bunch of Londoners arguing over a pub or it's the Northerners that all live in the same street. Everythings in the street lol and it's still on TV. Complete fiction. It's almost pantomime. And it too sticks out like a sore thumb.
I hope the day comes when wrestling companies get with the times. When you fill your show with men and women wrestling and talking about wrestling and talking about belts and i'm gonna win this belt and that belt and do this and do that you have lost a lot of people's interest. When you understand that this is a show and they are actors and you treat it like a TV show and you have those actors doing many different things you will bring in a lot more viewers and people will respect it more. Lana is an actor doing her job. Roman Reigns is an actor doing his job. When they actually start treating it like a TV show and you add in storylines and characters and violence and sexuality and comedy and you have all these different things going on, rather than wrestling fans just watching wrestling matches, now you have many more people watching to see what's going on with everyone and in amongst that you can put a few wrestling matches here and there.
And going back to the women thing. Sex sells. Hot women sells your product. That's another fact of life. Don't think they don't know that. They have been castrated by their sponsors. Just because all the women cover themselves up and go on about matches, don't think that's WWE turned a corner. If they could get away with more sexuality they would. I hope they push Lana in that way and Emma next week. I think Eva Marie is great too and I would bet the farm that after a show is done, that's the women that are gonna be on the men's minds. Teenagers and adults. Those are the women that when they come out all the men and women in the audience stand up because you just don't see women like that in real life. They look like stars.
Still not sure why if having "stars" is so important why the company is making more money with no "stars" then they did with as many "stars" as they did have back in the past.
Makes no sense really
Makes no sense really
This has made me think though.
When Joe gets called up what brand do I want him on as I'd pay in body parts to see Joe vs AJ again but want to see Joe vs Owens just as much.
When Joe gets called up what brand do I want him on as I'd pay in body parts to see Joe vs AJ again but want to see Joe vs Owens just as much.
Originally Posted by The_don1:
“Still not sure why if having "stars" is so important why the company is making more money with no "stars" then they did with as many "stars" as they did have back in the past.
Makes no sense really”
“Still not sure why if having "stars" is so important why the company is making more money with no "stars" then they did with as many "stars" as they did have back in the past.
Makes no sense really”
That right there is as good an insight as any into the mind of many wrestling fans and dirtsheet writers.
You should also research the difference between revenue and profit.
Originally Posted by hazydayz:
“That right there is as good an insight as any into the mind of many wrestling fans and dirtsheet writers.
You should also research the difference between revenue and profit.”
“That right there is as good an insight as any into the mind of many wrestling fans and dirtsheet writers.
You should also research the difference between revenue and profit.”
Its not about a insight into anyone's mind or anything else.
The WWE is making money with no "stars" and while losing viewers because the business has changed.
Its about the current business model being very successful in a 2016 mentality.
The old style of "rassling" would more then likely make very little money nowadays, and would lose them an awful lot of business partners (and maybe even a broadcaster)
As Monty Python might say Its ceased to be It's expired and gone to meet its maker its a ex-way of running a company It's a stiff Bereft of life it rests in peace its pushing up daisies its run down the curtain and joined the choir invisible this is a ex-business
They are attracting the right kind of customers and the right type of business partners and the right type of media attention, In the past that was not always the case.
Do you reckon The New Day will break Demolition's record?
In 5 days time if they are still champions they will be tied.
In 5 days time if they are still champions they will be tied.
Twitter has pointed out that Chris Hero (formerly also Kassius Ohno in nxt) has no indy dates in 2017 and has lost his last 6 matches in various promotions.
Suspicion presumably being he's Rumble bound.
Suspicion presumably being he's Rumble bound.
What you're saying is don't bother.
And you know what? The WWE agrees with you, why bother, why make any effort. The day will come when they will wish they had bothered and had tried to create new stars.
Do you know what they should be doing? They should be asking themselves, how much money COULD we make if the show was actually good? How much better off COULD we be if we tried a little harder. Not just resting on their laurels just because they're making money. They should be trying to get better so they can make more money.
And you know what? The WWE agrees with you, why bother, why make any effort. The day will come when they will wish they had bothered and had tried to create new stars.
Do you know what they should be doing? They should be asking themselves, how much money COULD we make if the show was actually good? How much better off COULD we be if we tried a little harder. Not just resting on their laurels just because they're making money. They should be trying to get better so they can make more money.
Originally Posted by JCR:
“Twitter has pointed out that Chris Hero (formerly also Kassius Ohno in nxt) has no indy dates in 2017 and has lost his last 6 matches in various promotions.
Suspicion presumably being he's Rumble bound.”
“Twitter has pointed out that Chris Hero (formerly also Kassius Ohno in nxt) has no indy dates in 2017 and has lost his last 6 matches in various promotions.
Suspicion presumably being he's Rumble bound.”
Is he willing to stay in shape this time?
Originally Posted by hazydayz:
“What you're saying is don't bother.
And you know what? The WWE agrees with you, why bother, why make any effort. The day will come when they will wish they had bothered and had tried to create new stars.
Do you know what they should be doing? They should be asking themselves, how much money COULD we make if the show was actually good? How much better off COULD we be if we tried a little harder. Not just resting on their laurels just because they're making money. They should be trying to get better so they can make more money.”
“What you're saying is don't bother.
And you know what? The WWE agrees with you, why bother, why make any effort. The day will come when they will wish they had bothered and had tried to create new stars.
Do you know what they should be doing? They should be asking themselves, how much money COULD we make if the show was actually good? How much better off COULD we be if we tried a little harder. Not just resting on their laurels just because they're making money. They should be trying to get better so they can make more money.”
Of course they can make more money but its very unlikely they would make more money going down the route you would like.
They can make more money by adding more business partners by bringing in new revenue streams (for example China), That's how to make more money not by increasing the violence and some outdated view of what a "glamorous" female should look like. Its not about making money the old way as that has reached a ceiling, Its about making money new ways. Its about making the WWE a brand/company that people would realistically invest in and share a link with, Old school violence and glamorous women are not going to attract the the right types of those people/companies
Originally Posted by JCR:
“Twitter has pointed out that Chris Hero (formerly also Kassius Ohno in nxt) has no indy dates in 2017 and has lost his last 6 matches in various promotions.
Suspicion presumably being he's Rumble bound.”
“Twitter has pointed out that Chris Hero (formerly also Kassius Ohno in nxt) has no indy dates in 2017 and has lost his last 6 matches in various promotions.
Suspicion presumably being he's Rumble bound.”
But when he debuts no one will know who he is.
Originally Posted by dave_windows:
“Do you reckon The New Day will break Demolition's record?
In 5 days time if they are still champions they will be tied.”
“Do you reckon The New Day will break Demolition's record?
In 5 days time if they are still champions they will be tied.”
Considering Demolition are suing WWE, I think it's fairly certain.
Originally Posted by JCR:
“Twitter has pointed out that Chris Hero (formerly also Kassius Ohno in nxt) has no indy dates in 2017 and has lost his last 6 matches in various promotions.
Suspicion presumably being he's Rumble bound.”
“Twitter has pointed out that Chris Hero (formerly also Kassius Ohno in nxt) has no indy dates in 2017 and has lost his last 6 matches in various promotions.
Suspicion presumably being he's Rumble bound.”
I was never all that into him on the indy scene. When you see wrestlers beating fans up and not getting sued for it kinda puts you off the guy. Or was that a worked fan?
Im sure everyones seen the vid of him attacking the fan for no reason.
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